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WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium?
    #9257541 - 11/16/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hey.

I've been a bit negligent with my moisture balance and coir preparation, I'll let the following pictures speak for themselves.





What the hell are those hard growths on top of the mycelium? Contams or just a weird byproduct of constant contact with water droplets?

The tubs also didn't colonize all the way through the bottom, probably because they were so wet down there. This is my first time doing coir, didn't realise it needed to be so dry.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9257551 - 11/16/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Looks like overlay.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: Brennus]
    #9257601 - 11/16/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm.. I was getting frantic worrying about incomplete colonization and the weird overly-colonized mycelium on top, I've been keeping it in light 12/12 and fanning multiple times per day (not misting because look at that mess). Will overlay kill the potential for pins? Should I scratch and grab some vermiculite, or is it too late?

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9257651 - 11/16/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Also, I should clarify; there's no casing layer there. That top layer isn't even coir - it's a layer of pure colonized WBS I put on top. Most teks I've read suggest to put a layer of colonized substrate on top to act as a contam barrier; It's been 10 days since I've spawned to coir and that colonized the top level far faster than I expected, with the rest of the coir colonizing slower. Next time I'll mix it out and not have a top buffer layer, but for this grow I should clarify again that there is no casing. If it's overlay it's overlay on the already-colonized WBS.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9258766 - 11/17/08 07:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

scratching is bad. i dont know to much about overlay but i had a theory better than scratching  give this a try. if it is in fact "overlayed" and not making any progress at all.
take that colonized mycelial mat out of the tray, set it on a piece of clean plastic. get a sharp knife and slice off the top layer that is overlayed. just enough to get down to the good layer that will regrow. and case it and incubate it. this may be more radical than scratching but if you were getting surgery would you want someone to take a fork and  fuck up your leg, or slice a thin layer off ? haha not to good of an analogy but i think you get what im tryin to say. and it looks like you should cut down on the misting just a tad there shouldnt be that much condensation on the mycelium also you might wanna run this by someone more experienced than me like i said just an idea i had 

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: shopdropper]
    #9258790 - 11/17/08 07:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's overlay.

Do not slice off any layers as suggested above, deep scratching is what is proven to work, according to TMC and others deep scratching encourages pin development as well. Worked just fine for me the few times my trays overlayed.


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: HybridprX]
    #9258817 - 11/17/08 08:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

anyone care to confirm that this is overlay? i dont think many of us have ever seen it before? rr rk nibin ?


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9258917 - 11/17/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I thought only casing layers could get overlaid?  There's no casing layer so it couldn't be overlaid could it?  That'd be like saying your grain in your jars could get overlaid.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: blackbantam]
    #9258923 - 11/17/08 08:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it could be thoguh. overlay refers to mycelium that has formed a matted surface impervious to water., which is incable of fruiting.


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9258946 - 11/17/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I guess that's true, but are we mostly worried about those spots on the mycelium or the condensation on the surface?  Because I've had a trays  that had condensation all over the surface... not to the point of pooling but drops all over like this.  I always case though, but they all pinned and fruited without any problems.  How long has it had fruiting conditions?

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: blackbantam]
    #9259378 - 11/17/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Dunno, whats up with the porous blobs on top? mutant overlay?


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9260475 - 11/17/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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it could be thoguh. overlay refers to mycelium that has formed a matted surface impervious to water., which is incable of fruiting.




That's what it looks like to me.

Do you reckon scratch one tray lightly and see if it pins, and leave the other one for a few more days?

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9260699 - 11/17/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Mycelium overlays in general, casing layer or not.

A few causes of overlay are..

Poor R.H
and or lack of FAE

There's also been some cases where bulk trays overlayed from the fc being to warm, with a lack of FAE... the mycelium keeps colonizing.

umm, what else.. That's about it.

The only other time I've seen overlay bubble like that is when trich was present in the casing.

Look up a deep scratching how to and apply it, your situation is why the tek is around :wink:


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: HybridprX]
    #9263137 - 11/17/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Dawn. The overlay infestation lies below; unsuspecting.



"My liege... the Sterilized Fork Squadron attacked outpost Omega. The destruction was... complete."



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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9354649 - 12/02/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Minor update... After the first scratching or second scratching failed and overlayed again, I was almost at my wit's end.

Wound up physically spooning out all the overlayed material instead of just leaving it there (figured theres no way the myc is gonna recolonize and break it down). Dumped it in the trash, had to go like an inch down before I hit non-hard matter.

Here's what it looked like:

Left it for a day to recover, then dunked for half an hour (washed off the uncolonized coir on the bottom), then drained for 45-60 minutes. Put back in tub, fanned a lot, left a bright light on.



After a bit of that, I started noticing pins. I'd basically written these two tubs off, so I was shocked to say the least. One tub only has side pins and might be headed to contamination-ville (already had to spoon some out from the side), but this one is looking good with a fair number of pin clusters. Not an even pinset, ntohing fantastic but from a tub I'd expected to have to throw out a month ago...



Hello you happy little gentlemen.

Edit: To give a bit of context, these tubs (from spawnbags etc onwards) are a few months old. The thread was initially posted 15 days ago, with the tubs already heavily overlaid and pretty damn old. To think that after all this time, they've started pinning and may actually net me a decent amount of mushrooms, is a miracle. This mushroom can be more resilient than we give it credit for.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9355048 - 12/02/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

they reward you for your massacre, congrats

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: Achilles89]
    #9370663 - 12/05/08 06:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

They grow fast, hey :wink:



Edit: The ruler is 6" long by the way. These mushrooms are thick as hell.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9370671 - 12/05/08 06:19 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, nice work man :smile:

glad you got it to fruit.


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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
    #9373596 - 12/05/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Dumped it in the trash, had to go like an inch down before I hit non-hard matter.





I'm not a veteran at this, but the tutorials I've read say that the casing layer should only be about an 1" - 1 1/2" inches thick.  If you were able to remove an entire inch, and still have enough left to make a solid mass which you could dunk and stuff, could you maybe have made too thick of a substrate layer which caused the overlay?

Just an idea I'm throwing out.  An experienced harvester could probably answer this.

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Re: WBS > Coir Tub.. drowning mycelium? [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #9373875 - 12/05/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. What happened was I was a bit too enthusiastic with the spawning.

I did a decent ratio of WBS to coir, but then did like half an inch of pure colonized WBS on the top layer as a contam barrier -- dumb, considering my coir was too wet so it'd take too long to colonize the rest. By the time the tub was as close to 100% as it was gonna be, the top had been fully colonized for so long it had matted and overlayed (without a casing layer). By the second or third scraping, I had to remove that entire layer, down to the coir mixing, because it had just grown too thick.

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