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GreeenThumb
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Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa
#9231316 - 11/12/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Habitat: these were found in a small grassy area under some trees at a shell station in Lynnwood, WA earlier today
Gills: thin white gills
Stem: shorter white stem bulbous at bottom
Cap: caps are about 6-8 inches yellow almost orange in color smooth with white secondary fungus easily wiped off.
Spore print color: unsure ..
Bruising: none that we can tell remains the same.
Other information: the white spots on the tops are sporadic at best and as i started about wipe off with little or no effort.



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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9231340 - 11/12/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its probably not technically correct to call them var. formosa (thats a european species) or var. guessowii (eastern species), I guess I would call it an orange Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata, warriorsoul might have a better name for it than that.
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HerbBaker



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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9231399 - 11/12/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep its Amanita muscaria var. unknown
this is likely the yet to be named PNW yellow muscaria variant.
Tolloss doesnt even have a page for the european formosa, there is some possibility the name formosa could become obsolete.
The muscaria group will be getting renamed soon, all the North American muscaria (except for the PNW yellow) will become Amanita flavivolvata or variant thereof. The European muscaria will get split into two species, Subalpine and general Eurasian populations. Interestingly the color of the cap predates the speciation event and is a polymorphism, this means cap color is not a reliable indicator of species however it is still a reliable indicator of the varieties within each species when taking the geographic information into consideration.
The Pacific North West (PNW) yellow variant will get its own variety status under Amanita muscaria, it will be the only muscaria left in the continental U.S.
Edited by HerbBaker (11/12/08 03:33 PM)
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GreeenThumb
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: HerbBaker]
#9231650 - 11/12/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok... and i guess i forgot the most important question are they safe to eat... i know that SOME of the Amanda's are and some are VERY dangerous and i always want to be safe in my fun!
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9231745 - 11/12/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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are they actually good fun to take?theres not many around where i live but their in headshops alright ive just never tried them.
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9231838 - 11/12/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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are they actually good fun to take?theres not many around where i live but their in headshops alright ive just never tried them.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9231848 - 11/12/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
i forgot the most important question are they safe to eat...
Yes, they are as safe as any A. muscaria variant. Always prepare them properly and don't eat too much.
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GreeenThumb
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9231928 - 11/12/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok that being said .... How should we prepare them? i have not been able to find much info about how to prepare them and i want to make sure we do everything the correct way....and i plan on making a tea so we can take it slowly and not take to much
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9232015 - 11/12/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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my preference, air dry them until more than half dry, finish them off untill crispy in a 200f oven with the door left open a crack.
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GreeenThumb
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: canid]
#9232052 - 11/12/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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so what if i put them in like a closet and put a dehumidifier in there with then to avoid the oven... i am just weary about drying things in the oven  
and Thanks everyone for the fast responces
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9232067 - 11/12/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i highly recommend heated drying, at least for the final leg. in theory it helps decompose [de-carboxylate] ibotenic acid, one of the toxins present which is associated with some of the unpleasant somatic effects. this yields muscimol, raising the ratio of that compound, which is one of the major, probably the primary psychoactive constituent of the mushroom. in practice, it certainly seems to make a difference.
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: canid]
#9232100 - 11/12/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok that makes since, thats why i ask so many questions can never be to careful! Thank you again for all the helpful advise
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9233428 - 11/12/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Check my journal for more info on the ingestion of muscaria species. Nice avatar!
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: GreeenThumb]
#9236332 - 11/13/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want to use them in cooking, slice them thinly and boil them in salted water (change the water a couple times) to remove the ibotenic acid and muscimol. Then you can do whatever you like with them; this is truly a delicious mushroom.
If you're looking for psychoactive effects, I'd slice or chop them and sautee them in a little butter at medium-high heat. Once they come up to temp, a yellowish liquid seeps out of the mushroom; keep cooking until the liquid has been reduced completely; this takes more time and a higher heat than I expected (but I'm not complaining, the smell at this point is heavenly). Then serve them however you like; you can get pretty creative, since the mushroom is so tasty.
On the whole, the psychoactive effects aren't the most pleasant, and typically include some substantial nausea, sweating, shivering, etc.
I'm really enjoying using them in therapeutic quantites as is discussed in warriorsoul's journal. It seems to be a lot better use of the mushroom than as a entheogen/inebriant.
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Re: Help ID these for us please,... Believed to be Amanita Muscaria var Formosa [Re: Entropymancer]
#9257065 - 11/16/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just to be on the safe side, can one of the experts here confirm my method for definitely identifying Amanita muscaria?
(I'm in northwest oregon, so I don't believe there are any orange lookalikes in the area, but I still prefer to be safe when dealing with this genus)
Characteristics that I check for on every mushroom: 1.) Cap is orangish, ranging from deep red to yellowish orange, and has spots which can range in color from creamy white to yellowish white. 2.) The base of the stipe is bulbous, egg-shaped or spherical, and is generally 50-100% wider than the main portion of the stipe. 3.) There are fuzzy concentric rings above this bulbous base of the stipe. 4.) The stipe is ringed by annulus (or in younger stages there is a partial veil present protecting the gills)
Are these characteristics enough to identify the Amanita muscaria mushroom with absolute accuracy? They are the traits that I have been checking for on every find.
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