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Offlineheartofalion
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God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of
    #9255024 - 11/16/08 03:56 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Alright I am giving a speech on the idea that god isnt an entity persay, but that he is the conciousness that all our conciousnesses create...like we are the cells of gods body...

anyways i need sources and i know there is some term for this way of thinking but i dont know what it is, does anyone know so i can google it. Oh also feel free to throw in any thoughts u have on the matter to :laugh:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255184 - 11/16/08 04:35 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Then such "god" is everything we can speak about. Therefore "god" is the sum total of every propositions in natural sciences, in the sense of everything that is knowable.

Any different premise most probably falls into a priori making "god" something you can't point at, and thus something you can not speak about without immediately turning the whole thing into some convoluted philosophical, sophistical bad joke, out of which nobody gets the punchline.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: deimya]
    #9255244 - 11/16/08 04:48 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Is there any evidence to support these ideas?  Having evidence to support your claims has a tremendous effect on the validity of your ideas.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: Newfound_wonder]
    #9255392 - 11/16/08 05:19 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

If your premises are ill-defined, or ill-definable, then whatever you end up speaking about will be, whether your aware of it or not, illogical and confused. To use language is to point at things in your pool of experiences. To communicate requires a common pool of such experiences. Hence, to start speaking about something which you cannot coherently point at is to speak illogically and confusingly, whether your aware of it or not, and should hopefully make itself apparent once you share such language with others.

Confused discussion about gods and consciousness which lead nowhere are a prime example. Hell, big chunks of this whole forum are good evidences. Take the time and read for yourself, to forge a common pool of experiences, and you might catch a sniff at what I'm trying to communicate here.

If nobody knows what anybody is speaking about, then, however exquisite your control of language, it won't make any sense. This is what supports my ideas, which are not really mine actually, but more along the line of Wittgenstein's.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: deimya]
    #9255410 - 11/16/08 05:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

haha this isnt going to be like an epic speech its just for a college course...im not referring to GOD as an entity or anything such just that we are all experiencing it essentially god is reality...and to deny god because you cannot define him is like denying you conciousness because that cannot be defined either..

Anyways i know there is a word for this way of thinking, my friend told me it before i just dont know what it is.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255431 - 11/16/08 05:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well then serve yourself some Spinoza and pantheism, and don't forget to also take a look here :crazy:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255436 - 11/16/08 05:28 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Alright I am giving a speech on the idea that god isnt an entity persay, but that he is the conciousness that all our conciousnesses create...like we are the cells of gods body...




That sounds a bit like Spinoza's theory of Substance. Look him up, he's awesome.

Also, it's spelt per se, and it should be italicised since it's latin :wink:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255444 - 11/16/08 05:30 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

God is *not* an entity - rather the owner of the collective; Your life and the life of pretty much everything else is proof of the force named God - look on google for the higgs-boson 'god' particle, this might help.

-monotheism?


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255455 - 11/16/08 05:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

God is the collective whole just as we individuals are colonies of cells. :levitate:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: hoodbran]
    #9255462 - 11/16/08 05:34 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well, the Higgs boson really has nothing to do with God other than having a catchy name to attract funding...


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #9255480 - 11/16/08 05:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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Oweyervishice said:
God is the collective whole just as we individuals are colonies of cells. :levitate:




exactly...that pretty much somes up this entire speech im giving in one sentence lol...thanks you guys so much i was startin to freak cuz i have to have the outline by tommorow and i had no idea what what i was speaking about is called haha.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255489 - 11/16/08 05:40 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Pantheism is probably the best word to describe it, as deimya said.


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You know... I'm not a blind man
                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: hoodbran]
    #9255495 - 11/16/08 05:42 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, no man, nothing personal but the Higgs has as much to do with gods as an electron does; none at all. This ridiculous labelling is nothing but the result of poor and impressionable scientific journalism, blame them. Excitations of the Higgs field give rise to mass in the standard model of particles, what does that have to do with gods ? On top of that the standard model is a theory we honestly know is incomplete, Higgs boson or not. Successful but incomplete.

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edit: 't was your turn to beat me to it zouden :wink:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: deimya]
    #9255506 - 11/16/08 05:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:wink:


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                                                    but truth is the hardest thing to see


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: zouden]
    #9255521 - 11/16/08 05:47 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The omega point theory seems somewhat similar to what you are describing.
Wikipedia article giving overview


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255603 - 11/16/08 06:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

This sounds similar to Panpsychism which holds that consciousness is omnipresent in the universe, or that everything has consciousness.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: heartofalion]
    #9255659 - 11/16/08 06:20 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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heartofalion said:
Alright I am giving a speech on the idea that god isnt an entity persay, but that he is the conciousness that all our conciousnesses create...like we are the cells of gods body...

anyways i need sources and i know there is some term for this way of thinking but i dont know what it is, does anyone know so i can google it. Oh also feel free to throw in any thoughts u have on the matter to :laugh:



Read your PM :laugh:


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #9256012 - 11/16/08 07:38 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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This sounds similar to Panpsychism which holds that consciousness is omnipresent in the universe, or that everything has consciousness.




Panpsychism is pretty compelling, not gonna lie.  If a particular configuration of atoms and molecules can give rise to a wholly mental experience such as consciousness, then how can we deny similar mental experiences to other configurations of atoms and molecules?

It makes no sense to treat consciousness as black or white thing; I think ultimately one has to conclude that a rock also has consciousness of a sort, even if it's much inferior to that of our own.


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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: deCypher]
    #9256034 - 11/16/08 07:44 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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deCypher said:
I think ultimately one has to conclude that a rock also has consciousness of a sort, even if it's much inferior to that of our own.



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Re: God...the conciousness our conciousnessed are all part of [Re: hoodbran]
    #9256132 - 11/16/08 08:06 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

as far as i know thats pretty much the ideology of Rastafarianism. they believe that god is in everyone and  smoking weed is essential is the key to unlocking that level of conciousness.


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