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Kundalini Reiki and Tripping
    #5338212 - 02/25/06 02:49 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hello

Is anyone a reiki practitioner/master?

I was wondering if tripping on mushrooms (or acid) can have a bad influence on one's chakras,
and perhaps stop one being able to channel reiki energy.. or worse..


greetings  :heart:

Edited by lobotomix (11/15/08 06:42 PM)

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #5343008 - 02/26/06 09:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

lobotomix,

I am no master but I practice reiki. One of the five precepts are not to take intoxicants. However, there is a time and place for everything. My personal belief is that psilocybin is not toxic and therefore not an intoxicant. I believe it is a sacrament.

That said: mushrooms will mess with your chakras. However, this is not necessarily bad. A high dose will probably blast open your crown chakra as well as your throat and third-eye chakras. Once you have come down and assimilated the knowledge of the trip, realign your chakras. Watch your energy for a few days. It will be funky for a while. Just keep an eye on how your energy flows and you'll be fine.

I don't know about LSD since it is synthetic, but things like psilocybin, psilocin, mescaline, DMT, and other plant based entheogens that have a history of shamanic usage are not going to hurt you, but you must be aware of your energy and how it responds to these thing. Also, don't do them too often. You need a recovery period to re attune yourself.

Good luck and keep your eyes open. All three of them.

Edited by shymanta (02/28/06 09:27 AM)

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: shymanta]
    #9250933 - 11/15/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thank you for the reply.

what do others have to say about this?

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #9251032 - 11/15/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

As no one has yet to demonstrate any sort of Reiki energy in a controlled setting nor is there any evidence of a chakra; there is nothing to be positively or negatively affected by any drug.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #9251210 - 11/15/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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lobotomix said:
thank you for the reply.

what do others have to say about this?




after 2 years you finally thank him? :blazed:

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deranger]
    #9251832 - 11/15/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hahaha

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: shymanta]
    #9252295 - 11/15/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I am no master but I practice reiki.  One of the five precepts are not to take intoxicants.




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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252341 - 11/15/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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As no one has yet to demonstrate any sort of Reiki energy in a controlled setting nor is there any evidence of a chakra; there is nothing to be positively or negatively affected by any drug.



Actually, the energy frequencies consciously emitted by a reiki healer has already been measured in a controlled setting. with various measurement devices they measured the frequencies coming from a reiki healer, in heal mode. it is like one of those medical micro-current devices(which basically sends certain Hz frequencies into a persons body to a specific location. Different Hz frequencies will have different healing effects. there is a Hz frequencies for every kind of conceivable ailment and damage. note that no micro-current machine has healed any serious injuries or conditions out right, or right away. but has always !GREATLY! healed, and helped the healing process of everything it has been used on. http://www.frequencyspecific.com/faq.htm ) The measurements of reiki healers showed various forms of energy coming from them, including many varying, and changing frequencies very similar to a micro-current machine.
i am not aware of the links for where i have seen this, but it is not my intention to prove anything. i am only adding what i know on the subject.
as for chakras, those have been measured in a controlled setting also. here is what i found related to what i have already known about the measurements.
http://www.universal-mind.org/Chakra_pages/ProofOfExistence.htm

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Japanese researcher Dr Hiroshi Motoyama used an electrode to measure the human bioelectrical field at a distance from the body. Electrodes placed in front of a chakra that psychics or advanced meditators claimed had been awakened, showed that the amplitude and frequency of the electric field over that chakra was significantly greater than the energy recorded from the chakras of the control group. Some research subjects could also consciously project energy through their chakras.

Dr Valerie Hunt at UCLA used EMG electrodes and found high frequency electrical oscillations coming from the chakra points. Dr Hunt also used a psychic to observe changes in the subject's auric field while the chakras were electronically monitored. The psychic's observations of colour changes in the aura correlated exactly with the EMG electrode recordings. Hunt discovered that each colour of the aura was associated with a different wave pattern recorded at the chakra points on the skin of her subjects.

Prof Kim Bong Han proved in the 1960s that a radioactive substance injected into the acupoints of rabbits was taken up along a ductlike tubule system following the path of the classical acupunture meridians, which were independent of the vascular network. This was confirmed in more recent studies on human beings by French researcher Pierre de Vernejoul. Other researchers, utilising abdominal electronographic body scans, have found that changes in the brightness of acupuncture points preceded the manifestation of physical disease in the body,  sometimes up to weeks.
Drunvalo Melchizedek has measured the chakras too. he used a molecular emissions scanner, and with it, could see the microwaves coming from each chakra and could find their procise locations.

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lobotomix said:
thank you for the reply.

what do others have to say about this?



any natural substances should creat no problem, besides what the other guy said. actually, one more thing....
make sure to protect yourself some way from any entities that would be looking to invade you. some pre-experiance ritual, and setting up sacred space will usually be good enough for normal entities. but there are some that are a little stronger. with more powerful substances like ayahuasca, your energy system is almost fully hijacked by the plant spirit to control your state of consciousness(and to less of an extent with things such as a medium dose of mushrooms). this is always a good door-way for entities to try and invade you. there is nothing to really worry about though as long as you take the appropriate measures.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: centerthedream]
    #9252465 - 11/15/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You have presented no evidence for Reiki healing nor chakras, but lots of evidence for self delusion.

Did you know that in a recent test between 'certified' acupuncture practioners sticking needles in volunteers and those with no clue randomly sticking needles in volunteers, both volunteer groups showed the same minor improvement.

In other words meridians are bullshit and the effect is placebo.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252474 - 11/15/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OC, please explain how the placebo effect works.

Science still doesn't understand how mere belief can improve health.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9252515 - 11/15/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Who said anything about a health improvement? Pain is rarely constant and often comes and goes depending on focus. Muscle tension often accompanies pain. If you trust your 'healer' one will tend to relax.

It is the same effect as kissing a boo-boo; the perceived pain level goes down, the wound does not heal any faster.

Temporary symptom relief is light-years away from cure.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252525 - 11/15/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Kissing a boo-boo is explainable in that alternate stimulation of the nerves tends to block the pain signal; the placebo effect is still unexplainable in that simply believing that one is being healed decreases the perception of pain.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9252557 - 11/15/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It is important to understand that NO HEALING is actually taking place at other than a normal rate.

Pain is merely a signal and the brain may interpret it in many ways.

For example, a novice bodybuilder may find muscle soreness and lactic acid build-up to be extremely uncomfortable whereas an advanced bodybuilder welcomes such a signal as a sign of stimulated hypertrophy.

Same signal; different interpretation.

Its all about context, baby. Not really much of a mystery.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252563 - 11/15/08 11:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OK, so how precisely does belief cause a different interpretation?


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9252590 - 11/15/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

First off note that placebo ONLY effect subjective measurements and not objective ones.

Don't make it complicated. Go grab a pin and prick your finger. Now give your full attention to it. Bathe in the pain, dwell and obsess on it. Feel sorry for yourself and how stupid you were to do this.

Now put on some music and listen intently or look at some porn or otherwise distract yourself and the pain will 'mysteriously' lessen dramatically.

This is because your focus goes from narrow to wide.

Surprise me (you would be the first in 10 years here) and actually do this before you repost and answer your own question.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252654 - 11/15/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think you're mistaking distraction for the placebo effect.

If I'm suffering from chronic pain, and I'm given a sugar pill without knowing that it's a sugar pill, I will feel less chronic pain.

This is different from suffering from chronic pain and hitting my hand with a hammer, however.  The crucial component that is still mysterious is that link between belief and the lessening of a subjective perception.

Similar to how hypnosis can eliminate the perception of pain, even though the pain is still registered, the placebo effect exemplifies that missing link between mental experience and physical phenomena.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9252665 - 11/15/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

No stickie no discussion.

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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252673 - 11/15/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lame.  I've stickied myself plenty of times and noticed the effect you describe, but this is NOT the placebo effect.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9252696 - 11/15/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So if you have a pain in your neck and a 'practioner' puts a gold needle in your back, you see that as placebo and not distraction?

It is all distraction. Pain IS the mind focusing on a signal and interpreting it as unwanted.

The signal strength does not decrease only the focus or the interpretation. I can only say this in so many ways.

If placebo affected cancerous tissue then you would have a genuine mystery, however it doesn't work that way.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9252720 - 11/15/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The gold needle is another source of pain that distracts, sure.  But how is swallowing an innocent sugar pill a distraction from chronic pain?

Interesting fact you bring up with placebo effect not being able to affect cancerous tissue, however.  How do you account from depression being alleviated from placebo pills?


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