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pachanoi
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psychotic episode or not?
#9223805 - 11/11/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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A few days after my first shroom experience I started hearing voices outside my window like people were spying on me it sounded like the voice of two men and a women all with chicano accents. I got the impression that some mexican gangsters stole a spaceship and were now evesdroping on my thoughts and insulting me, but I knew that was crazy and told myself it was impossible. At the time I was doing massive amounts of nitrous (so much it no longer effects me so i quit) so i chalked it up to a b12 deficiency but i took the b12 but it continued for a few days after. It seemed to only happen after work when I sat on my bed. I read up on psychotic episodes and It does not seem to explain my experience only because I had a handle the whole time, and knew it was irrational. I've had strange hallucinations while on nitrous. I once saw what appeared to be the ghost of a boy manifest siting right next to me, and he made a signaling motion as if to lift my belly I realized that I had my belt on to tight and it was constricting my bowls. So what do you think? Was it my ego splitting exposing my subconscious mind or was it a glimpse of the limitless reach of the human soul.BTW those were just a few of the voices I heard, and it's been over a year with no incident.
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deCypher



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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: pachanoi]
#9223933 - 11/11/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Psychiatrists would most likely diagnose you with drug-induced paranoid schizophrenia, but if it's been over a year with no incident I wouldn't worry too much. I'd be wary about going on N2O again, though--as an NMDA-receptor antagonist, it's similar in modus of operation to Ketamine and PCP, both of which are excellent clinical pharmacological models for schizophrenia.
Half the things I've experienced lately on high dosages of psychedelics (and in particular N2O) would qualify me as psychotic if I were to inform a person in the medical establishment. If you're mentally healthy now, I'd just enjoy the experiences as free perks.
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: deCypher]
#9224268 - 11/11/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a similar experience from the effects of marijuana.
I was having a horrible trip and I couldn't get the sound of children yelling and screaming out of my head.
I was bugging out. Has only happened once to me.
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pachanoi
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: deCypher]
#9224616 - 11/11/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks I'll keep that in mind for the future. It's my first time talking about it so its a relief knowing I'm probably not schizo
-------------------- all my posts are truly false or falsely true. Even that. o beautiful for smoggy skies insectisided grain, for stripmined mountains majesty, above the asphalt plane, America America man sheds his waste on thee, and hides the pines with billboard signs from sea to oily sea -George Carlin R.I.P.
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: pachanoi]
#9225188 - 11/11/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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A note to make for any mind expanding substances, psychedelics in particular, is that our culture has no place for these types of experiences and you will commonly be seen as delusional, crazy, and if you happen to be struggling with integrating the experiences you will often be labeled something along the lines of schizophrenic. What I want to say is, do keep your landing pad in sight so that you return stably from your altered states, but also be wary of attaching yourself to the society's definitions of sanity for you might happen to believe something is wrong with you when there's actually no real psychological problem. Be your own judge here. Many continents of the mind are yet to be discovered lands.
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#9229134 - 11/12/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Beware to reveal the construct of your mind for the forces that will misundertand you will be your downfall. They will destroy you from within.
That's all i can tell you.
Peace, Droz
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: pachanoi]
#9229158 - 11/12/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not sure what it was, but I'm sure the nitrous was a factor.
I have had similar experiences doing large quantities of dissociatives.
I would just lay off the nitrous for a while, and it should go away. I don't think it was real because your story sounds so far fetched (lol mexican space gangstas?) but it should clear up as long as you lay off the dissociatives. I had an episode where there were ripped out bloody eyes watching me everywhere, but when I turned to look at them they would vanish 
I'm not sure if it is a psychotic episode or not, but my guess it was something else (drug related).
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I think Droz has got it right, if I understood him correctly, if he is referring to the dominant medical, psychiatric, and mental health systems or even with everyday general society. I've explained some of my simular "schizo" experiences on and off drugs and there is rarely any understanding of the experience with my family and others, and just the reliance on the all important dominant therapy and meds model that mainly doesn't allow for much outside the box of their's and societies current construction. I've feared being commited or possibliy being forced medicated. Maybe that could be a reason why they try to make the majority of substances that expand experience and consciousness illegal. The fear of getting out of their comfort zone of how many percieve a generally limited reality. But yeah, if it's been a year why worry about it? I get peoples thoughts and unwanted telepathic communication consistently, some real some not, and I just learn to deal with it. Be glad it happens rarely with you.
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: pachanoi]
#9247671 - 11/15/08 04:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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My opinion. If the doctors are really right , and your a schizo .. You still came to a place where many similar people spend their time answering questions like yours. So .. if the doctors are right.. your crazy and your asking crazy people whether your crazy, That might even get you thinking WE are not real. And maybe... you are not real. And unless this happens right before a vortex ride its not good.
There are many kinds of "hallucinations" Some of them are real. If the stimulation of the pineal gland preceeds them you should think twice before calling yourself crazy. This stimulation can be caused in many ways. And usually you kind of want it to happen before it happens. You either get DMT with this intent , or use other psychedelics to stimulate its release naturally. I cannot imagine.. a "true hallucination" without vibration along with it. Some times, there is no imagery at all. Hallucinations sometimes are in the form of a message.. And usually the message is :wake the fuck up ! I am one of those people who believe that a net is around us. A hallucination is either a thinning of it for you , or a broken pineal. Dreaming on the other hand is a little more complicated issue. When you mix that with waking conception thats when something is wrong. This is why , schizos are insomniacs. Melatonin is released even when they are awake , and melatonin stimulates the release of dmt. The thing is.. the ammount of dmt released when you dream is just enough to get your imagination going crazy. Its pretty much creating your own reality. This is ok when your sleeping. It is not when your awake. It means your pineal is malfunctioning due to some other disorder preceding it.
By the ghost who told you to loosen you belt.. i would say your getting help. The only question is .. Is it you ? Or someone else ? And other people can never tell you the answer to that. Unless you are seeing some of the entites that have become recognizable in these circles I dont know about nitrous.. I dont like implying anything , without experience but from what ive read its a substance that puts you in one of those , half-half states.. Just like the dream and wake state overlapping. And in my book thats - no bueno. But mushrooms can instigate lessons from the "little ones".. When this happens .. you will know its the real deal. It wont be.. irrational.
------------- Most of the information ive presented comes only from my opinions and only if you find yours to be similar ,should you take them into consideration.. I find it to be a thin line between expanding the reach of your soul , and breaking your brain. I would not like to be responsible , for encouraging such a thing ,neither should people ,that have been responding so lightly be telling you its this or that. Also.. you should be presenting more information from your part and asking the questions with more precision. Its a game.. And your either playing the MMO.. and you know it when it happens.. You get a "thank you for signing in" Or.. your stuck in your own head.. Elaborate more on your experiences in order to get better instructions.. That all i can say.. Besides all the shit above
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--------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: jivJaN]
#9248347 - 11/15/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not all schizo's are insomniacs. Quite a few are hypersomniacs.
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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deCypher



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Re: psychotic episode or not? [Re: jivJaN]
#9249089 - 11/15/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strassman's hypothesis that the pineal gland is involved in the production of DMT has been falsified, as well as the theory that it's involved with dreaming. That's not to say that the rest of your argument is incorrect; just that at this stage we're completely unsure as to what DMT does in the brain (it is endogenous, though.)
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