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After Horse Schiesse Tek
    #923373 - 10/01/02 07:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

After the myc colonizes all the horse shit, I know you have 2 options, either case or let it pin right off. Is there an advantage to casing it? Whats the difference? This is probably a dumb Q. Sorry


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923394 - 10/01/02 07:06 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Not a dumb question at all. The casing layer will help to keep moisture in the poo and also add texture to the fruiting mushrooms. It also to some extent helps to ward off contaminiants. Typically with a casing layer you can get more flushes, but not always. bluhoney


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: bluhoney]
    #923407 - 10/01/02 07:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the info. What casing would you recommend?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923501 - 10/01/02 07:42 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I like to use Jiffy Mix. It's 50/50+.

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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #923533 - 10/01/02 07:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well I crumpled my cake in Poo.  After Its colonized what should I do this the question I guess.  Do I need to place a layer of something over it?  I just read the 50/50 + tek, but it seems like it is like the poo tek, without the poo :smile:


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923544 - 10/01/02 07:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Nah, after the manure is colonized, you put the 50/50+ on top of it and let the mycellium colonize the casing layer.  Trust me, you will get better results if you do this.. :grin: 


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923564 - 10/01/02 08:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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but it seems like it is like the poo tek, without the poo



Think of it more like the 50/50+ Tek (a casing tek) can be used as an add on to the poo tek (a bulk subtrate tek). :grin: 


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #923578 - 10/01/02 08:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I believe I can FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe I can touch the sky...............

Oh sorry. Umm I believe you, so do I just put the mix of peat, oyster, vermculite, lime, and water to make the casing layer?





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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923620 - 10/01/02 08:25 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mix everything up and then pasteurize it. I like to stick it in an oven preheated to 200*F for 30 minutes. After it has cooled off, put it on top of the poo.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #923698 - 10/01/02 08:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry for asking so many questions. Where can I buy Oyster shells and lime for the casing? thx
BTW, in Roadkill's Poo tek, he didnt case it with anytihng, y not?
And doesnt casing increase the possibility of contamination?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923703 - 10/01/02 08:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Well, the easy way out is to find Jiffy Mix in the garden shop/section. Failing this, you may find oyster shells at a feed store and lime at a garden shop/section.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #923725 - 10/01/02 08:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Try looking at Loew's or other big home improvement stores, in the same section as the vermiculite, perlite etc. I'm not sure why Roadkill didn't case in his pavlov poo tek grow log, maybe he did before putting it in the fruiting chamber. As long as the casing is made of the right things, contamination isn't too much of a problem.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: StS]
    #924416 - 10/02/02 09:22 AM (19 years, 30 days ago)

There are many who do not bother casing manure and there are many who swear by it. Somebody should have a log of cased and uncased poo. That would be an interesting link for the faq wouldn't it.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: utopianglory]
    #925337 - 10/02/02 05:24 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

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Somebody should have a log of cased and uncased poo.



Cool, when are you starting? :grin: 


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #925533 - 10/02/02 06:21 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Humidity seems like a big factor in casing. I know many people who simply place their colonized poo cakes in their fruiting terrarium and have seen great results. They dont use any fancy humidifiers or etc, they just simply spray down the walls and keep the perlite moist. Im planning on doing this also, will this be fine?

Concerning the 50/50 + tek. Do I use this amount of mix and just spread it over the poo cake?

15 cups vermiculite
15 cups peat moss
4 1/2 cups crushed oyster shell
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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #925543 - 10/02/02 06:23 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)



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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #925590 - 10/02/02 06:38 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks. Damn, I just realized (I think), Jiffy Mix is prepared mix, correct? The bottom mix is for people who cant find jiffy, forcing someone to make it themselves?

15 cups vermiculite
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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #925595 - 10/02/02 06:39 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

is there a comparable product to jiffy mix or am i going to have to get off of my lazy ass and get the ingredients to make my own?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #925620 - 10/02/02 06:45 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

In reply to:

I just realized (I think), Jiffy Mix is prepared mix, correct? The bottom mix is for people who cant find jiffy, forcing someone to make it themselves?



Correct.

Concerning other products that are similar to Jiffy Mix, I really don't know of any. That's not to say they don't exist. Look for any seed starter mixes and read the ingredients. Should be peat moss, verm, and lime.

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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #925666 - 10/02/02 06:59 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Geesh. *hits self on the head*

Thanks.
Would you recommend adding alittle more lime in the Jiffy Mix?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #925706 - 10/02/02 07:08 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

I don't, but some people do.. :smile: 


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #925911 - 10/02/02 08:34 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

another thing.. if your casings fill your fruiting chamber.. you don't need perlite. it's a mess and isn't really necessary in most cases with casings. just mist the walls once a day or once every two days and make sure the casing layer stays as moist as it was when you first applied it. mist with a very fine mist and don't spray to much.. if the 50/50 changes color and gets lighter then it's time to mist.. keeping the casing layer moist is imperative when working with casings, your yields will be much higher when sticking to this one simple factor. that along with fanning 3 times a day and you should be set.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #925936 - 10/02/02 08:41 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

Thanks, great set of info.

Should I mist more than once a day. Sometimes I question the lid; it seems like it is keeping the humidity in, but there are times when I am pessimistic. ShouldI just spray more than once a day just to be sure? In addtion, I have 4 colonizing cakes, they are pretty big alum pans, does it matter If I get a extremely large rubbermaid to fit all 4 or should I get 2 separate smaller ones?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #925960 - 10/02/02 08:47 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

fan 3 times a day.. mist the walls once a day or every 2, 3 or 4 days depending on the amount of condensation on the walls.. if you can see a little water on the sides then you're fine..

the casing layer is self explanatory.. the first 5 or 6 days after birthing into the fruiting chamber are most important. just make sure the moisture content stays the same as it was when you first applied the layer. don't overmist.. you can usually judge this by the color change. I'd recommend not waiting any longer than 20-25% coverage before exposing to light. I usually birth mine after I see a few differnt patches of mycelium pop up. Apply a light layer after each flush as well.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #925969 - 10/02/02 08:50 PM (19 years, 30 days ago)

I use the meatloaf tins.. that way if you get contams it doesn't blow the whole casing.. only one smaller casing at a time usually. just make sure your rubbermaids are full.. or at least 80% full and you won't need to mist the walls much.

use 2 half pints per tin.. 1/2 inch bottom perlite layer and half inch top casing layer is ideal


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #929295 - 10/03/02 08:02 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Well I went in search of Jiffy Mix. I asked a nursery if they had it, and she said that Jiffy mix is a General name not a brand name, is she correct? Well she pointed this kind out to me, will this work for my casing layer?

All Purpose Potting Soil
Black Gold - Brand

Contains:
Sphagnum Peat Moss
Earthworm Castings
Forest Humus
Oyster Shell

If Jiffy Mix is a specific brand, where can I find it? Walmart?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #929326 - 10/03/02 08:16 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

In reply to:

I asked a nursery if they had it, and she said that Jiffy mix is a General name not a brand name, is she correct?



No, here is a picture of a bag of Jiffy Mix. It is a brand name.



In reply to:

Well she pointed this kind out to me, will this work for my casing layer?

All Purpose Potting Soil
Black Gold - Brand

Contains:
Sphagnum Peat Moss
Earthworm Castings
Forest Humus
Oyster Shell



Sounds like she took you for a ride. That stuff isn?t even remotely 50/50+ aside from the fact that it has peat and lime. Jiffy Mix would be superior to that for less money.

If you?re looking for a substitute, read the label and make sure it?s only peat, verm, and lime. Here is the label from Jiffy Mix:



Use that soil you purchased for growing plants.

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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #929332 - 10/03/02 08:21 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Thank God because I didnt buy it. Just wrote down the info. Where can you find Jiffy Mix? I went to Home Depot K Mart and a nursery and no one had it.


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    #929337 - 10/03/02 08:23 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

I'm not sure. A friend of mine in the states says he gets his from Lowe's. I'm assuming that's where you live, so try there. I can't verify this though.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #929348 - 10/03/02 08:30 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Jiffy mix can be a general name. I have seen three different brands that sell it, all labeled as jiffy mix. The important thing is the ingredients, though, peat, verm, and lime.


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    #929364 - 10/03/02 08:38 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Jiffy-Mix is a brand name. Notice the "R" with a circle around it after the name in the picture? That means it's a registered trademark. Doh.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #929422 - 10/03/02 09:08 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

Are you implying that I'm lying mickey?  I've always mixed my own 50/50+ so I never bought a pre-mixed bag.  But the bags they sell at the Wal-mart by me that say jiffy mix on them look nothing like that bag.  But it has been a while since I looked there, unless they changed the design of the bag.  If not then somebody's ripping off Jiffy.  :shocked:


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: StS]
    #929563 - 10/03/02 10:18 PM (19 years, 29 days ago)

If it says Jiffy-Mix on the bag, it is the brand name. Look again.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #932663 - 10/04/02 07:27 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

God damn, I just went to WalMart and they dont even have it. Ther is no Lowes in Az, where in Az might I find Jiffy mix? I need to case this week, the poo is fully colonized! If everything fails I guess I have to make the mix myself.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #932802 - 10/04/02 08:27 PM (19 years, 28 days ago)

why are you so worried about making it yourself? it's easy as hell.. just mix up verm and peat in a big bowl.. equal amounts of both.. buy a bag of hydrated lime at any garden store.. only add a little hydrated lime, it's very strong.. don't use the standard 4:1 ratio you use with limetone.. mix it all up and there you go. easy as hell.. I don't even know why you're wasting your time looking for jiffy mix.

nuke on high 10 minutes.. wait till it cools.. bring to the right mositure content and you're good.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #933660 - 10/05/02 02:25 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

Oyster Shells?


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    #933904 - 10/05/02 06:31 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

you don't need them if you use hydrated lime.. try reading a little more on casing in the faq.. this will answer all your questions.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #933947 - 10/05/02 07:25 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

they also provide a better base for the myceliul network to hold onto.
Allowing the mushrooms to grow bigger without falling over.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: StS]
    #933986 - 10/05/02 08:27 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

The bags of jiffy mix I saw were different also, wasn't sure so I didn't buy them. Saw them at Home-Depot and it said Jiffy-Mix +. What the hell does the + mean. It contained peat, lime, vermiculte.


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    #934023 - 10/05/02 09:34 AM (19 years, 27 days ago)

DERRAYLD we are referring to ph levels here.. lime and oyster shells do the same in that regard, so you don't need both, only one or the other.

the part about holding the shrooms up is so minute it doesn't really matter either way.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Mac]
    #934374 - 10/05/02 01:30 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

The + means that the lime is added to adjust the pH of the mix, which is a good thing.


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: StS]
    #934587 - 10/05/02 03:22 PM (19 years, 27 days ago)

just use coco coir. it works way better than 50/50, 50/50+ or jiffy mix. It colonizes in almost half the time. Plus, no mixing is needed.  :smirk:


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Travelin man]
    #940034 - 10/07/02 03:11 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

On the 50/50 + tek when it says like 15 CUPS, is this standard cup or a 1/2 pint jar?




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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #940079 - 10/07/02 03:27 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

so if i were looking for a casing layer that did not have verm in it, coco coir would be it? what other casieings are vermless?


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Re: After Horse Schiesse Tek [Re: Zwieback0]
    #940169 - 10/07/02 03:53 PM (19 years, 25 days ago)

15 cups = 7.5 pints


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