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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Droz]
    #9229365 - 11/12/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Droz]
    #9229372 - 11/12/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

And so:
    " Control from within.

Don't let control from without.

When you have come to a place of lost minds, do you just ponder on the fact of how did i get here first, or contemplate the fact that the only way out is to answer." 
 
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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Recondicom]
    #9229659 - 11/12/08 10:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Open-mindedness + sufficient skepticsm = rational human being.

Being dogmatic is the worst, the world is too fluid and complex for one's thought process to not be similar.

But being open-minded does have the downside of making one overly indecisive or ambiguous.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Jax]
    #9229839 - 11/12/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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But being open-minded does have the downside of making one overly indecisive or ambiguous.




On the contrary, I think that being truly open minded implies rationally bringing oneself to the realization that acceptance is the key to understanding and happiness, and this eliminates ambiguity right from the start.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9229844 - 11/12/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

But by "realizing" that acceptance is the key to understanding and happiness, you're being close-minded to other alternatives that may also bring understanding and happiness.  :tongue:


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9229872 - 11/12/08 11:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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But being open-minded does have the downside of making one overly indecisive or ambiguous.




On the contrary, I think that being truly open minded implies rationally bringing oneself to the realization that acceptance is the key to understanding and happiness, and this eliminates ambiguity right from the start.




Accepting of what though? Many ideas, beliefs, religions, opinions, etc are contradictory and being open to all of them can cause confusion, especially when there is no abundantly clear answer.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: deCypher]
    #9230036 - 11/12/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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But by "realizing" that acceptance is the key to understanding and happiness, you're being close-minded to other alternatives that may also bring understanding and happiness.  :tongue:




Hoe can complete acceptance stay in the way of "other alternatives", since the bare notion of acceptance is being open to everything?


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9230049 - 11/12/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Well, perhaps being completely close-minded is the true path to happiness, for instance.  I know that if I had never to worry about changing my own beliefs I'd be pretty damn happy.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Jax]
    #9230060 - 11/12/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Accepting of what though? Many ideas, beliefs, religions, opinions, etc are contradictory and being open to all of them can cause confusion, especially when there is no abundantly clear answer.




Then in this case, it is the contradiction that must be accepted.
Dropping any negative feelings such as confusion or fear towards conflict gives one more chances to approach the matter in a rational way and form a more in depth understanding.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: deCypher]
    #9230072 - 11/12/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I don't see a lot of evidence for this in the real world. Usually those folks are determined to make me think like they do and they don't look to happy about the fact that I won't.:lol:


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Icelander]
    #9230078 - 11/12/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Heh, I have to admit I'd get some sort of sick, sadistic satisfaction out of trying to convert all the unbelievers too.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9230286 - 11/12/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Jax said:
Accepting of what though? Many ideas, beliefs, religions, opinions, etc are contradictory and being open to all of them can cause confusion, especially when there is no abundantly clear answer.




Then in this case, it is the contradiction that must be accepted.
Dropping any negative feelings such as confusion or fear towards conflict gives one more chances to approach the matter in a rational way and form a more in depth understanding.




This doesn't seem to follow. Are you saying it's possible to believe in creationism and evolution, at the same time, even though each theory refutes the other? You seem to be throwing logic out the window in favor of... tolerance, I guess.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Jax]
    #9230426 - 11/12/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

In order to cognize an object, I must be able to prove its possibilities, either from its reality as attested by experience, or a priori by means of reason. But I can think/wish what I please (absolutely), provided only I do not contradict myself ; that is, provided my conception is a possible thought, though I may be unable to answer for its existence of a corresponding object by the sum of its possibilities.  Etc…etc.
  God; freedom; immortality…  Speculative reason of its pretensions to transcendent insight… experience does not know absolutes therefore abolish knowledge to make room for belief(in this case the possibilities of human experience) .  When the central dogma of DNA was formulated it stated:  DNA--  RNA - protein.  Since then we know that RNA (AIDS or retroviruses) does a reverse writing into the DNA and that proteins reproduce themselves (free radicals)...and more. Somewhere between ontological and epistemological lies the practical truth of freedom. I wish what I please.  I wish to transcend to that spot way-inside. I could make room for belief (as long is not the place of lost minds). Wish/belief/freedom.  Back at you.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Jax]
    #9230428 - 11/12/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This is exactly why I have said that accepting the fact that I hold contradictory beliefs (instead of being in denial or holding any other absurd emotion towards this conflict) gives me opportunity to analyze the matter from a rational point of view. This new perspective will allow me to critically think about what makes me have conflicting beliefs, how in touch with reality these beliefs are, and in which way these beliefs serve me.


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9230443 - 11/12/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah baby.:thumbup:


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: deCypher]
    #9230558 - 11/12/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it better to be closeminded and rigid in one's belief system, never letting a stray idea slip out or a new one in, or to be so openminded that one believes everything that one is told?




A closed mind would be for or against certain beliefs, an open mind can see both sides of it

Ime theres a childlike openness about being openminded but its not like terrorists can come & brainwash you because your open minded!

A open mind is the mind functioning at its highest capacity & is liberating, a closed mind is self defeating


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: Chronic7]
    #9230578 - 11/12/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

At some point you have to lay down a certain set of beliefs that one subscribes to, though... otherwise one cannot hope to pragmatically achieve anything.

For instance, you believe that awareness allows one to see the truth behind things.  What if you rejected this belief in favor of open-mindedness?


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: deCypher]
    #9230635 - 11/12/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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For instance, you believe that awareness allows one to see the truth behind things.  What if you rejected this belief in favor of open-mindedness?




It isn't necessary to reject a belief in order to be open-minded. To be open-minded means to be receptive to considering the merits of a topic in an impartial way. The fact that one has to choose the model of reality that they subscribe to doesn't conflict with open-mindedness. If that were the case, then the nature of reality would be that no one would be open-minded. To be open-minded refers to the consideration of ideas and so forth. :wink:


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: deCypher]
    #9230656 - 11/12/08 01:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lay down a certain set of beliefs?

I used to alot actually...i used to try & have it nice & neatly setout in a belief system but the stuff im into just can't allow it, it blows all beliefs into the water

Maybe i could say the one thing i believe in is self knowledge


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Re: The Concept of Psychology [Re: fireworks_god]
    #9230670 - 11/12/08 01:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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fireworks_god said: If that were the case, then the nature of reality would be that no one would be open-minded.




I agree.  True open mindedness is impossible, IMO--inevitably, after consideration of all valid ideas, one settles down into a belief system that is appropriate for the individual; otherwise making any decision or performing an action becomes impossible.


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