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    #9224999 - 11/11/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225028 - 11/11/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think the universe follows logical rules.  They may not makes intuitive sense, but the universe has been shown to follow them 100% of the time.

Most of these questions your asking are not in science's domain, so I can see why you would be disconcerted with science if you expect it to answer them for you.

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    #9225049 - 11/11/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225050 - 11/11/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

No you don't have to resort to god. Unless this all scares the shit out of you.

We are just to small (finite) to get a handle on the infinite.

Refocus your efforts on having a good, fun time during your short stay.

Really the only reason you need to know everything is if you are afraid of being out of control (dying etc.). And the fact is you can know almost nothing. :shrug:


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    #9225061 - 11/11/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225099 - 11/11/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The foundation of logic is causality?  Ive never heard of that.  I thought the foundation of a logical structure was its axioms.

Im not sure what gravity has to do with it, just because we cant model and predict every phenomenon doesnt mean its not following logical rules (or other aspects of the universe follow logical rules).  I dont think any of these logical rules have been shown to not be followed, that is they have always been observed to be followed:  The schrodinger equation, thermodynamic equations, maxwell equations...

Now they cant explain inflationary universe, but they never claimed to do that.  They are however 100% consistent with what they can explain.  Their logical rules have always been observed to be followed.

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225110 - 11/11/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

1. Nothing exists.
2. Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it.
3. Even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.


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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: deCypher]
    #9225114 - 11/11/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If 1. is true, why even state 2. and 3.?

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9225128 - 11/11/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A good philosophy is one that attempts to cover all its bases.

Blame Gorgias for being verbose.  :shrug:


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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: deCypher]
    #9225167 - 11/11/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So by 'cover all its bases' you mean that 1. may not be true.  Not a very convincing argument.  :shrug:

(I dont know who gorgias is, but if that 3 point argument is his Id say he better try again.  Maybe if he can come up with a paradigm where 2/3 of it doesnt require that the first 1/3 is false, Ill be interested )

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    #9225224 - 11/11/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225239 - 11/11/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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The schrodinger equation conflicts with relativity.




Conflicts? How so?  Give me specifics for your examples, I am interested.

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Seems to me nothing is true 100% of the time.


That sounds like an impossible paradox.  Kind of like "this sentence is a lie".

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225253 - 11/11/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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supernovasky said:
The schrodinger equation conflicts with relativity.

Thermodynamics equations are far from being resolved, especially with black holes.

Maxwell equations had paradoxes of their own, that were resolved by special relativity.

But now special relativity has problems on quantums cales.


Seems to me nothing is true 100% of the time.




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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225255 - 11/11/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm extremely interested in science, I have read a lot of books, done a lot of research and also realized theres something not right.. that something doesnt' make sense. For example, according to science, light waves move on nothing, vacuum, which is just impossible. Waves need a medium to move on. Vacuum is the biggest lie ever.

This guy figured it all out, this thoery explains everything. Nothing new really, but now it all makes sense. If you're interested in science like me, you shouldn't definately read this, and a lot of things will clear up for you.
http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9225274 - 11/11/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I think it's very cool that you have realized that you don't have any idea what the fuck is going on :thumbsup:  This is a step surprisingly few make it to.

Life's purpose, specifically YOUR life's purpose, is up to you.  Take a look at the world and decide what idea/philosophy/energy you wish to be an expression of.  For me, it's love and interconnectedness.  What sounds good to you?


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Black eyed angels swimming with me
Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and all my futures
We went to heaven in a little rowboat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9225276 - 11/11/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
So by 'cover all its bases' you mean that 1. may not be true.  Not a very convincing argument.  :shrug:

(I dont know who gorgias is, but if that 3 point argument is his Id say he better try again.  Maybe if he can come up with a paradigm where 2/3 of it doesnt require that the first 1/3 is false, Ill be interested )




:confused:  It's not really a three point argument, but instead an analysis of all possibilities.  Perhaps a more condensed version to your liking would be:

If anything exists, and if anything can be known about it, we still can't communicate our knowledge of it to others.


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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: deCypher]
    #9225291 - 11/11/08 04:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

At least that one is internally self consistent.  (of course I dont buy it, but whatever..)

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9225296 - 11/11/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Why dontcha buy it?


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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: deCypher]
    #9225310 - 11/11/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Not a very good sales pitch.

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Re: Science is so disconcerting... Why does nothing make sense? [Re: DieCommie]
    #9225317 - 11/11/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's a philosophical statement--surely you have some reason to disagree with it other than that you don't like the way the idea was presented?


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