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The Centre
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Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper.
#9216558 - 11/10/08 06:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try and explain a psychedelic experience to someone who never took a single drug in his life, to make him understand what tripping is. I want to see what people can come up with. (Please specify which psychedelic you are referring to.)
(I know this thread was probably been done before, but people and human consciousness in general change, and I want to know how you would explain it now, and a year later, I will post the same thread again, and compare...)
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9216565 - 11/10/08 07:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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explain to a blind person who has never been able to see, what it is like to see things, and what colors are. Although we can describe things with words, you can't convey an experience 100 percent to someone who has never had the experience of what you describe. The only way to know is to experience it for yourself.
But hey here you go: Mushrooms: You eat them, some time later you feel different. Your thoughts get all weird, and you think of things in ways you never thought of before. Sometimes you see stuff with your eyes closed, at higher doses you see things with your eyes open. Things become wavy/moving. Music sounds totally different, and sometimes you have auditory hallucinations. The end.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: phaseflux]
#9216579 - 11/10/08 07:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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immagine a rising unease accompanied by waves of euphoria...this is the come up for me thought patterns begin to desintigrate into something else...
as the body buzz get more intense and thinking get wierder, everything starts to wiggle or breath
thinking is still getting harder, colors start changing, vast changes is size perspetive for eg two ppl of equal height standing next to eachother, on might seem impossibly tall the other impossibly small
soon these more intense hallucination are gone and you back into the wavy time
theses nothing like writing after a mushroom trip IMO because once is over your sure gunna have alot to say lol
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: phaseflux]
#9216582 - 11/10/08 07:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is for both mushrooms and acid, but the visuals are just for mushrooms, I haven't ever gotten much visual from acid so far (only taken 2.5 hits at the most).
Sounds are more crisp and clear. Colors are more vibrant. On higher doses you can see patterns moving and wiggling around. Everything looks more clean, as if you've increased the resolution on the world.
As far as the mental effects go I always think it's most simple to describe it by saying it removes all of your preconceived notions. It's like being a child again and you have to relearn everything. If you consume w/e and are sitting down for the first hour or 2 you (or me at least) will literally have to relearn how to walk upon standing up for the first time. It comes much quicker than when you're a child of course, in a matter of minutes, perhaps seconds, but it seems like the same thing.
Everything is so amazing, not because it's any different than it normally is, but because you're experiencing it for the first time. It's enjoyable to walk in nature just because you can awe at nature and look at it like you never have before. Basically like you're discovering it for the first time. All of your memories still exist though, it's not like you forget anything, you just don't attach them to things prematurely as you tend to do when you're sober. For instance when I look at this coffee cup I think 'this is a coffee cup bought in Ireland by my ex as a gift.' I will then often lead into thoughts about my ex. When I'm tripping though and I look at the coffee cup I identify it as 'a coffee cup.' If you ask where I got it from I can still tell you, just as lucid if not more lucid than when I'm sober often times, but that's just not what the coffee cup is.
Because you forget everything though it can also lead to bad things. If you don't know what a flower is, normally it's beautiful and is likely to still strike you that way, but it could just be weird, bizarre, confusing, etc. until you can search the recesses of your brain to identify it. You'll also spend a great deal of time learning how you work. It often takes me a while to figure out all of my abilities. Just simple things like 'Oh, I can use my hand like this, and pick these things up etc.' I know that throughout the whole trip, before the trip, and during the come up. But I don't 'understand' it until a certain point during the trip. Then as I come down that thought just kinda gets shifted into my subconscious and I know it while sober, but I'm not connected with that thought process. I can't appreciate the ability to use my hands, my fingers, my legs to walk, etc. as I can while tripping.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: krypto2000]
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The Centre
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9216679 - 11/10/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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^He wins.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9216722 - 11/10/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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^ that is pretty good
also this incredibly long trip report does a pretty good job i think
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7042971/an/0/page/2
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: kenneld]
#9216952 - 11/10/08 09:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pictures convey the trip far better than words, IMO.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: deCypher]
#9217023 - 11/10/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Pictures convey the trip far better than words, IMO.
they do, but maybe not for people who haven't tripped. i'm thinking about my pre-tripping days, and i would see pics like that and they seemed pretty meaningless/stupid to me.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: kenneld]
#9217064 - 11/10/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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kenneld said:
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deCypher said: Pictures convey the trip far better than words, IMO.
they do, but maybe not for people who haven't tripped. i'm thinking about my pre-tripping days, and i would see pics like that and they seemed pretty meaningless/stupid to me.
Agreed.
Well, I thought they looked cool for sure, but they didn't hold any meaning whatsoever.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217088 - 11/10/08 09:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Centre said: Try and explain a psychedelic experience to someone who never took a single drug in his life, to make him understand what tripping is. I want to see what people can come up with. (Please specify which psychedelic you are referring to.)
(I know this thread was probably been done before, but people and human consciousness in general change, and I want to know how you would explain it now, and a year later, I will post the same thread again, and compare...)
I think this painting, called "Wonder" by Alex Grey most nearly depicts the divine "visuals" that come to you while on LSD or mushrooms IMO.
Mushrooms are amazing but I feel they have been defined well enough already for you. I love mushrooms but prefer LSD because mushrooms visuals although extremely beautiful and unique, are pretty still and you can really work them into a movement. I also love that LSD, unlike mushrooms, don't force introspectiveness although it may be achieved on your own.
You eat your hits of paper, geltabs, microdots, liquid, w/e. Usually a good dose is anywhere between 1-3 hits depending on potency for a nice trip, first timers should do less for obvious reasons (1 hit of good doses is recommended).
After you eat your hits you feel a surge of energy that can begin anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour after dosing. This feeling can be uncomfortable for some, or it can also be a euphoric period of excitement for what comes next.
At about an hour and a half into your trip, if you close your eyes and listen music you can see the most beautiful and intricate patterns of shapes and colors, symbols. The remarkable thing about LSD is that these visuals are very active and can move at rapid speeds and directions, its almost like an incredible movie in your mind. If you turn off the lights you can open your eyes in the darkness and experience the same phenomenon.
If you turn on the lights the world looks different, almost like a movie set. Lights become imprinted in your vision after you close your eyes. You experiences the "trailing" effect of LSD where it seems like objects in movement leave a afterimage in their wake (including lights and your hands). I recall one particular trip was so hard I could paint my room with a orange lighter, lights on. You experience death of the ego. You are so into the experience you are having, that you forget any sense of materialistic or insignificant worries. You
After you acclimate to the level of trip you're on, you feel a sense of super awareness and control. You can hear things you normally wouldn't, you can perceive emotions from other people better, you can see in the dark, things taste extraordinarily strong, and you can experience a blending of the sense (such as eating ice cream and seeing a color that your brain corresponds to that item).
Did I forget to mention you giggle all the while in between.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217182 - 11/10/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would describe it like this first comes "hmm" then comes "wtf" then comes "LOL!!!!!" then comes "wow zzzzz " then comes "zomg" finally "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh."
i would imagine on a typical first trip these would be your emotions lol
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: zSDMF]
#9217190 - 11/10/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Impossible.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TheMerryGangster]
#9217321 - 11/10/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must say, I think what most people describe as what they feel and see on mushrooms and LSD, I feel and see in normal reality. I see auras around pretty much everything, lights stay in my vision long after they are gone, I am very introspective and philosophical, I can not focus on anything that I find meaningless and/or uninteresting, as I see no point in doing so. And nobody understands me until they are high or tripping. When I read erowid's effects description of mushrooms, more than 80% fit into what I normally experience without the influence of a drug. # creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily (You should hear me talk, I can go on and on and on philosophically.) # sensation of insight (Fits in with the philosopy part.) # intense feelings of wonder (I can see the beauty in anything.)
# feeling more emotionally sensitive (I am very emotionally sensitive) # time perception alteration (many people say I have a screwed up perception of time.) # lights seem brighter, sensitivity to light (I am very sensitive to light, I can walk around and see perfectly when other people can not see a thing.) # starring and rainbow patterns around pinpoint lights (All lights have rainbow patterns around them to me.) # closed-eye visuals (I can choose to have CEV is I focus myself.) # sensation of energy or buzzing in the nevous system/peripheral limbs (I am very hyper.)
# mood lift, euphoria # giggling, laughter, giddiness # creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily # boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny # sensation of insight # life changing spiritual experience # intense feelings of wonder # paradoxical feeling of a normalcy and deep alteration of psyche
# working memory disruption (reduced ability to do tasks requiring current remembering and attention) (That describes my life.)
I do not fit in exactly, but I do fit in very much, esp on lower dose descriptions.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217344 - 11/10/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Describe a psychedilc experience to a non-tripper"
tripper: "ahem...THE COLORS MAN! LOOK AT THE COLORS! THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE MAN! WTF?! WHAT TIME IS IT? HOLY SHIT IT'S ONLY BEEN AN HOUR? WTF MAN?! WTF!! HAHAHAHA"
done and done.
Seriously though, Sid got it on the dot, its impossible to describe especially at higher doses.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: jeffloomis]
#9217445 - 11/10/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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on mushrooms..
its a very humbling experience, feeling of oneness, euphoric, colorful, funny. i could go on and on with words, but never be close to what you'll experience.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217704 - 11/10/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just thought of the best way of describing a trip to a non-tripper. Chuck 3g of some sick ass Cyans in there soup. That will do all the explaining ever needed.
Anyway, I can't find the dosage calculator anywhere, can someone post me a link?
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217733 - 11/10/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSD:
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It's different for everyone, though.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9217789 - 11/10/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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one super beautiful and temporary experience visual and audio distortions of a few sorts when the body is not fighting decreased resistance to the universe the way it is and
renewed childlike affection forgetting all the reasons you've created for why things aren't quite right
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: thatiAM]
#9218656 - 11/10/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You see through all the bullshit you've been taught your whole life
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TripJunkie]
#9218744 - 11/10/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego death. Oneness with all things. Direct communication with the collective unconsciouses and group mind, the ability to see without eyes, talk with no tongue, travel with no body and become one with the transcendent.... Lotsa pretty colors too...
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: GreenGoat]
#9218799 - 11/10/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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GreenGoat said: Ego death.
You'd have to elaborate a little more on that one, I'm afraid.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: Redrawing]
#9218841 - 11/10/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The one phrase that sums up every one of the trips...
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How deep does the rabbit hole go??
Thoughts on the process of life, the tiniest atoms, the size of the cosmos...
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TripJunkie]
#9219361 - 11/10/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey man, it's like your brain can be opened up, like a can of old rotten tomato's, full of canned stench, induce it with psychedelics and the smell will pour out into everything, removing the pressure, leaving the dead tomatoes behind, freeing the pressure.
Guess that something people can relate to, but I dunno maybe theyd need more knowledge of the topic to understand the hint
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: Fisherman]
#9220882 - 11/10/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always explain the mental effects of taking shrooms as opening up the file cabinet of your brain, throwing all the files on the floor, and randomly picking up and reading different files.
Of course how you interpret what is in those files is intensely different and altered.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: BennyProfane]
#9221208 - 11/10/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its tough. I remember right after telling a girl (who only rarely drinks) I trip she said, "I don't know whats so special. so you see stuff. big deal". She totally doesn't get the picture
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: BennyProfane]
#9221344 - 11/10/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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BennyProfane said: I always explain the mental effects of taking shrooms as opening up the file cabinet of your brain, throwing all the files on the floor, and randomly picking up and reading different files.
Of course how you interpret what is in those files is intensely different and altered.
That's a pretty good description of a major mental aspect I'd say. Add to that a geometrical morphing film over your field of vision and it's even closer to the experience.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TripJunkie]
#9221419 - 11/10/08 10:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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TripJunkie said: You see through all the bullshit you've been taught your whole life
SOME do, the ones that aren't just "getting fucked up".
My life was substantially changed (for the better) after my first psychedelic experience at 19yrs old, with 2 tabs of good early 90's lsd.
Now that I am older, I find tripping even MORE important, and 99% of the people I know, would never guess, that I use any sch.1 "drugs". They would look down on me for it, but then they go home after work and drink a 12 pack of beer every night, and smoke cigarettes, and take prescription "medicine". And they say I am harming myself...LOL...looks like the joke is on them! (the lies our govt. tells them).
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TripJunkie]
#9222169 - 11/11/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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TripJunkie said: You see through all the bullshit you've been taught your whole life
Awe my brother. So true. My perception changed so greatly even after just my first marijuana experience, and I have been depressed most of my life, but since I started smoking marijuana, everything just started to get better. After my first psychedelic expereince (which wasn't that intense in the psychedelic way, it was quite a few grams of VERY weak mushrooms I picked, I should have ate the whole bag, (20g) instead of just 5-6g, to really have tripped. But it was still taught me a lot. My second experience (San Pedro) wasn't intense as far as visuals and psychedelics go, but i9t was intense on a physical level (I puked painfully for 4 hours, permanently, I barely had time to breathe in between gag reflexes. I screwed up the tea, I let some peaces get in accidentally, and I gulped it down in one gulp too.) I learned a lot and I kept positive. (I think I sayed something like this: I chose this experience, and I have to live through it and enjoy it, as all experiences are to be enjoyed. MWahuurrle... That was the longest break between pukes I had in the whole of the 4 hours...)
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: Fisherman]
#9222200 - 11/11/08 01:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fisherman said: Hey man, it's like your brain can be opened up, like a can of old rotten tomato's, full of canned stench, induce it with psychedelics and the smell will pour out into everything, removing the pressure, leaving the dead tomatoes behind, freeing the pressure.
Guess that something people can relate to, but I dunno maybe theyd need more knowledge of the topic to understand the hint
Pour out everything, literally. (Read my previous post.)
There are a few people whom I want to slip some shrooms in to there soup, or at least some cannabutter.
Damn people need to get rid of all the shit in there lives.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TacticalBongRip]
#9222231 - 11/11/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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BennyProfane said: I always explain the mental effects of taking shrooms as opening up the file cabinet of your brain, throwing all the files on the floor, and randomly picking up and reading different files.
Of course how you interpret what is in those files is intensely different and altered.
That's a pretty good description of a major mental aspect I'd say. Add to that a geometrical morphing film over your field of vision and it's even closer to the experience.
Or taking one off.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: therapture]
#9222261 - 11/11/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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therapture said:
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TripJunkie said: You see through all the bullshit you've been taught your whole life
SOME do, the ones that aren't just "getting fucked up".
My life was substantially changed (for the better) after my first psychedelic experience at 19yrs old, with 2 tabs of good early 90's lsd.
Now that I am older, I find tripping even MORE important, and 99% of the people I know, would never guess, that I use any sch.1 "drugs". They would look down on me for it, but then they go home after work and drink a 12 pack of beer every night, and smoke cigarettes, and take prescription "medicine". And they say I am harming myself...LOL...looks like the joke is on them! (the lies our govt. tells them).
Almost everyone I know knows I smoke weed and are into psychedelics. I consider it my duty to educate people about the wonders that psychedelics can do for you. I know it is dangerous to do so, but did Jesus stop giving his message because he was going to get killed? No, so neither should anyone. If every tripper comes forth and talk about there psychedelic use, it will show the world that the idiots are the minority, since it is only the idiots who get noticed at the moment.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: The Centre]
#9222286 - 11/11/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whoa, that's weird, is that guy staring at me?
Whoa, whenever I zone out on the ground it starts to swirl
holy shit, I think I just went to outer space
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: AgingHippy]
#9222526 - 11/11/08 03:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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A few things I have found myself saying to people who ask what's it like.
It's like seeing everything for the first time again. It's like something takes control of your thoughts, and you percieve and think in ways totally alien.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: retrospect]
#9222563 - 11/11/08 03:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you ever described color to a blind person. Try describing dimensional warps to a non-tripper. The nice thing about tripping is anyone can do it, and that it's completely different for every individual.
There are the common effects you get at low doses, but high doses is existence without description.
I've always felt that the visuals that mushrooms give you is bait enticing you to consume more. And then, it's got you! to experience yourself for what you truly are. It's more amazing and revivifying than being naked in public.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: retrospect]
#9222596 - 11/11/08 04:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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retrospect said: A few things I have found myself saying to people who ask what's it like.
It's like seeing everything for the first time again. It's like something takes control of your thoughts, and you percieve and think in ways totally alien.
To me it is like taking back control of my thoughts, it is like using the off-switch to the mind control device that has been controlling you all your life.
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Re: Describe a psychedelic experience to a non-tripper. [Re: TripJunkie]
#9222771 - 11/11/08 07:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd just put on Fear and Loathing...that'll do the trick. No point in trying to use words,the magical aspect of psychedelics is the loss for words.
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