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 TrippingBillies
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 The Tao of Poo! 
#921259 - 09/30/02 08:21 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm trying to harness the power of pooh bear. Is poo worth the efforts? I'm familiar only with coir, potting soil, and vermiculite casings. Thanks, ahead of time for any responses.
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 Floydseamus
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In my experience... poo is the ONLY way to go... I make HUGE casings outta straight poo mixed with any kinda spawn, and it is amazing... i've grown some .25 ounce (dry) shrooms this way... They say the bigger the mycelium network, the bigger the fruits... they are definatly correct.
P.s. i've never sterelized any of my poo, nor have i pasturized it... and i've only had problems with contams one time... and that was after the casing was spent...
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StainItBlue
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 Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: Floydseamus]
#921422 - 09/30/02 11:18 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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poo is not a casing....it is a substrate...those you just mentioned are casings...poo is used to produce more substrate to case for more fruits 
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matts
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 DERRAYLD
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: matts]
#921517 - 10/01/02 01:50 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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it`s deffinatelly a substrate.
It`s nutrative Matt which a casing should never be.
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Bruiser
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: matts]
#921520 - 10/01/02 01:53 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poo suplies nutrients for the forming fruitbodies to grow, thus it it used as a substrate. A casing supplies water and is a barrier for contaminates. The more nutrients in your casing material, the better the chance for competeing contaminates to take a foothold.
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matts
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: matts]
#921528 - 10/01/02 02:02 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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sorry matt I don`t agree.
You go and case your substrate with poo, see what happens.
Hey man you have your thoughts on things and that`s the way it`s going to be.
I don`t think we need to argue.
You can grow I can grow so that`s that.
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matts
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: matts]
#921533 - 10/01/02 02:07 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you're saying that there's no difference between 50/50 and poo as a casing besides nutrients? It may have the same water retention as 50/50, but it is definately far easier to contaminate. Most people fruit the first flush off poo with no casing, then add a casing after the harvest. They don't add more poo, usually coco-coir, straight verm, or a mix.
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matts
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Edited by matts (10/01/02 02:14 AM)
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: matts]
#921579 - 10/01/02 02:52 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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From The TMC:
2. Structure:
The structure of the casing surface must be porous and open, and remain so despite repeated waterings. Within this prous surface are small moist cavities that protect developing primordia and allow metabolic gases to diffuse from the substrate into the air. If this surface microclimate becomes closed, gases build up and inhibit primordia formation. A closed surface also reduces the structual cavities in which primordia form. For these reasons, the retention of surface structure directly affects a casing's capability to form primordia and sustain fruitbody production.
4. Nutritive Value:
The casing is not designed to provide nutrients to developing mushrooms and should have a low nutritional value compared to the substrate. A nutriative casing supports a broader range of competitor molds. Wood fragments and other undecomposed plant matter are prime sites for mold growth and should be carefully screened out of a well formulated casing.
The development of casings based on peat moss has practically eliminated the use of soil in mushroom cultivation. Peat is highly decomposed plant matter and has a pH on the 3.5-4.5 range. Since this acidic condition precludes many contaminants from colonizing it as a substrate, peat is considered to be a fairly "clean" starting material. Peat based casings rarely require pasturization. But because peat is too acidic for most mushrooms, the addition of some form of calcium buffering agent like limestone is essential. "Liming" also causes the aggregation of the peat particles, giving peat a structure similar to a clay/loam soil. A corse fiberous peat is preferred because it holds its structure better than a fine peat. In essence, the properties of sphagnum peat conform to all the guidelines of a good casing layer.
It's a matter of debate. If you want to use poo as a casing and have good results, that's fine and I'm happy you're doing well. It's just not typical. I have excellent results the way I do it, and I've tried different types of casings. Poo is not one I'd use, but to each his own. 
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StS
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: Bruiser]
#921589 - 10/01/02 03:03 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was hoping someone would bust out some of Stamets' TMC definitions. I don't have a copy handy.
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DERRAYLD
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: StS]
#921592 - 10/01/02 03:06 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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all this fighting
we all agree that poo is cool.
so lets just agree to disagree
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whiterastahippie
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Re: The Tao of Poo! [Re: DERRAYLD]
#921855 - 10/01/02 07:02 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah man, let's just agree that shit is cool as shit! er...LOL
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