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deimya
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From chaos emerges various transient forms with various physical lifetimes; an exploration of what's possible. From the chaos of shorter lived things, longer lived things emerges.
Somehow, DNA, or more generally life, is an expression of what is physically possible through the harvesting of shorter lived forms like animals, plants, etc. Life is a state of matter just like liquids, solids and plasmas.
The question is not why does it happens, but whether it could've been any other way anyway ?
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: deimya]
#9210654 - 11/09/08 08:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would consider that everything in the world that humans do not control is a form of chaos, and the fact that humans change things for there own would be, what humans do best, make order.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Droz]
#9210671 - 11/09/08 08:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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What?
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9210892 - 11/09/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why does anything exist at all?
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deimya
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: cactastic]
#9211105 - 11/09/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Things do not exist for a reason. To ask why is to put things in relation to something else, and such a relation invariably points amongst existing things. For who or what would they exist other than a who, or a what, towards which the question just begs a second iteration. And a third.
To speak and ask questions and use languages is to point at things you experienced in one way or another. Assumed or not, the existence of something, that is a past experience of it, is necessary for such thinking and sensing processes of inquiry and language to take place effectively. To ask why they exist is thus to seek an answer, out of existing things, why things exist. Quite a dead end indeed. Simply, one can't point at the question, and thus can't point at an answer, and thus can't speak about it without going immediately astray. Ironic isn't it ?
Why anything exist ? They do or don't, that may be all, that's the mystery, get over it and dance !
I prefer to ask how or whether, but that's personal. So I would ask whether or how is this question meaningful, or not, and whether it might rather be an idiosyncratic, yet interesting, misuse of language.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: deimya]
#9211245 - 11/09/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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why does evolution happen? its what drives life if it didn't occur than life would certainly cease you need urges such as to find a food, mate, and to be able to defend yourself these are characteristics of an evolutionary model because its what helps drive evolution the process of evolution is what some people refer to as god god is basically a system for which it produces the lively results we observe mass producing gravity is what creates order in chaotic free flying debris in space what creates order in chaos, the fundamental driving force of the universe, all the laws and properties of time and space these are interlined into our physical universe they are put in place to provide the most effective manner in advancing the complexity of life who put them there, nobody its just there and forever will be for all time
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211603 - 11/09/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no "reason" behind evolution. That's a human thingy. Evolution just is IMO. It's happening because it can. That's all you can say about it without being purely subjective and giving it your personal values.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9211644 - 11/09/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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its pretty clear the motives behind evolution just like we know why women release pheromones when they are on their periods its for survival thats what we are pre-programmed for and evoultion is programmed into our dna and this is to progress life
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211664 - 11/09/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Motives are a human concept. Women are not motivated to release pheromones it just happens in response to some stimulation. Evolution is not motivated. It is doing something because it can and that's all you can say about it.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9211673 - 11/09/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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no it has a very clear purpose just like gravity
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211675 - 11/09/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry purpose implies thought and goals, gravity happens.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9211680 - 11/09/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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purpose-practical result, effect
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211690 - 11/09/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wrong, purpose implies thought or cognition.
Main Entry: 1pur·pose Listen to the pronunciation of 1purpose Pronunciation: \ˈpər-pəs\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English purpos, from Anglo-French, from purposer to intend, propose, from Latin proponere (perfect indicative proposui) to propose — more at propound Date: 14th century
1 a: something set up as an object or end to be attained : intention b: resolution , determination2: a subject under discussion or an action in course of execution
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9211720 - 11/09/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats not my definition man i looked it up theres lots of definitions for that word
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211728 - 11/09/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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post that definition.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211749 - 11/09/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coaster said: purpose-practical result, effect http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=purpose
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The shed behind my house has been in total chaos for years. I took a chance and went in there the other day to get a box.
Guess what? Still chaos. When does the order part appear?
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Coaster]
#9211778 - 11/09/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. the reason for which something exists or is done, made, used, etc. 2. an intended or desired result; end; aim; goal. 3. determination; resoluteness. 4. the subject in hand; the point at issue. 5. practical result, effect, or advantage: to act to good purpose. –verb (used with object) 6. to set as an aim, intention, or goal for oneself. 7. to intend; design. 8. to resolve (to do something): He purposed to change his way of life radically. –verb (used without object) 9. to have a purpose. —Idioms 10. on purpose, by design; intentionally: How could you do such a thing on purpose? 11. to the purpose, relevant; to the point: Her objections were not to the purpose. Origin:
So here it is. Please explain how evolution has an intention.
practical result, effect, or advantage: to act to good purpose.
So with this you would not say something has a purpose but it is done to good purpose. Archaic usage at best.
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Re: Order from chaos... [Re: Icelander]
#9211806 - 11/09/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do dolphins have a porpoise?
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