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Dutch ban magic mushrooms [NL]
#9200606 - 11/07/08 07:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Magic mushrooms banned from December November 7, 2008 - dutchnews.nl
The ban on the sale of fresh hallucinogenic mushrooms in Holland is set to come in on December 1, the AD newspaper reports on Friday.
The paper says ministers are expected to vote in favour of the plan at today’s cabinet meeting.
The sale of dry mushrooms in so-called smart shops is already banned.
Dutch Health Minister Ab Klink has announced that the possession and sale of magic mushrooms will be banned from 1 December. Parliament asked the minister to introduce a ban after a French girl committed suicide in Amsterdam in March last year while under the influence of hallucinogenic mushrooms.
The minister wanted to introduce the ban before summer, but this proved impossible because the bill still needed the approval of the Council of State, the most senior government advisory body.
The association representing shops which sell magic mushrooms, the so-called smartshops, has expressed disappointment and said it would take legal steps to prevent the ban.
According to Amsterdam health service figures, ambulances were called out 128 times last year to deal with people who had eaten hallucinogenic mushrooms.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] *DELETED* [Re: veggie]
#9200623 - 11/07/08 07:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: Coffee]
#9200929 - 11/07/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So does that mean they're still legal fresh? It sucks that tourists are screwing up the freeness of their country because their stupidity.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: juju]
#9200998 - 11/07/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't blame it on tourism, blame it on the government.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: highdroponics]
#9201024 - 11/07/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that's where the obvious root of the blame lies, but the government didn't seem to have a problem with it before they started to receive so many ambulance calls because dumb tourists didn't know what they were doing. It's a stupid mindset for a government to have, but it's like a parent who trusted a kid be independent and that kid neglected that independence. Except it's not the kid himself in this case, it's a group outside him that's messing it up.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: highdroponics]
#9201060 - 11/07/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn irresponsible drug users! It's like under 21 American tourists who go to England, drink waaaay too much and do fucked up things. I bet these tourists were the "oh cool lets go to the Netherlands and get messed up on mushrooms lol" crowd. Fuck that, they ruined it for everybody.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: veggie]
#9201241 - 11/07/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think Amsterdam has passed its prime. I don't have the desire to go there like I used to.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: PsilocybinMike]
#9201360 - 11/07/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pot is illegal there and look it...
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: Brainiac]
#9201688 - 11/07/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think positive, maybe the sellers will sway the gov, maybe it will be a law payed lip service to as the pot laws are, it is the Netherlands after all.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: doom876]
#9201731 - 11/07/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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it doesnt matter how illegal it is. noone over there is going to stop doing what theyve always done. most people that have done them know they are not a bad thing. there are just the small number of dumbfucks out there that have to ruin it on a national level. but the bottom line is, who cares? theyre illegal here in california and it doesnt stop me or any of my friends. its illegalization will probably just weed out the idiots who shouldnt be doing them anyway.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: juju]
#9202679 - 11/07/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
juju said: Well that's where the obvious root of the blame lies, but the government didn't seem to have a problem with it before they started to receive so many ambulance calls because dumb tourists didn't know what they were doing. It's a stupid mindset for a government to have, but it's like a parent who trusted a kid be independent and that kid neglected that independence. Except it's not the kid himself in this case, it's a group outside him that's messing it up.
It's easy to excuse the government, all the propaganda will support you.
The fact is there are any number of possible solutions, banning has never worked to do anything except empower criminality. Suggesting that banning is 'ok' because 'tourists' have ruined the situation is just an easy out of any reasonable course of action.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9202823 - 11/07/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck the government. I'm growing my own. No-one has the right to tell me I can't.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: TurricaN]
#9203553 - 11/07/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was there last October. All of the shops I saw already sold it fresh, and none of them were dried. It's too bad that the ban is happening. That was the best experience of my life.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9206141 - 11/08/08 08:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to excuse the government. If I had it my way, there would be no government, only mutually agreed upon actions that are never enforced except through community pressures.
I'm just trying to put responsibility where responsibility lies - that is, not fully on the government, because I don't know about you, but if I had the power, and moral conviction to make laws, over 100 people a year being admitted to the hospital, regardless of the cause, seems like something you should take action on.
I agree that banning never has and never will work, but I'm not sure what other solution there is in this case. The usual alternative to arresting people for using a drug is rehabilitating them for using it, which doesn't really make any sense in this case. I'm not too sure what "reasonable course of action" you might be referring to in this situation, especially from the standpoint of a government(which are notoriously unreasonable).
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: veggie]
#9206392 - 11/08/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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this could be the beginning of the end.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: juju]
#9216384 - 11/10/08 04:43 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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juju said: Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to excuse the government. If I had it my way, there would be no government, only mutually agreed upon actions that are never enforced except through community pressures.
I'm just trying to put responsibility where responsibility lies - that is, not fully on the government, because I don't know about you, but if I had the power, and moral conviction to make laws, over 100 people a year being admitted to the hospital, regardless of the cause, seems like something you should take action on.
I agree that banning never has and never will work, but I'm not sure what other solution there is in this case. The usual alternative to arresting people for using a drug is rehabilitating them for using it, which doesn't really make any sense in this case. I'm not too sure what "reasonable course of action" you might be referring to in this situation, especially from the standpoint of a government(which are notoriously unreasonable).
The reasonable course of action would be prosecuting the offenders who committed crimes while intoxicated, or who were unreasonably intoxicated in open public- similar to alcohol. It would be to respect consenting adult decisions and not infringe on personal chemical choices and prosecute cultural minorities.
You say you don't know what 'other solution there is'. Banning drugs has never provided any sort of solution for the damage caused by them, this is well known.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#9216587 - 11/10/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like I said, from the perspective of a government, it is a solution. That doesn't mean it actually is, but putting yourself in the (il)logical perspective of a government, that is the one and only solution. Either ban it, or don't ban it. There is no middle ground. Especially when considering the staggering number of people who are admitted to the hospital every year from it, that's unheard of anywhere else. I dunno, maybe a public awareness campaign could be conducted, like a brochure or something that is sold with every mushroom, telling people "Don't be an idiot!". It sucks that you have to actually say that though.
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: juju]
#9218075 - 11/10/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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People should stop looking to the government for their answers and start showing some personal responsibility
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: Velazquez]
#9220035 - 11/10/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck me deja vu.Around 3 years ago they became illegal here after some prick jumped off a balcony after taking them.He had a cocktail of drugs in his system but poor ol mushies got the brunt of the blame.How many people die each year after falling off buildings/getting knocked down/drown in their own vomit/fighting/assaults etc. as a direct result of being drunk?WTF?????
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Re: Magic mushrooms banned from December [NL] [Re: juju]
#9220652 - 11/10/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
juju said: Like I said, from the perspective of a government, it is a solution. That doesn't mean it actually is, but putting yourself in the (il)logical perspective of a government, that is the one and only solution. Either ban it, or don't ban it. There is no middle ground. Especially when considering the staggering number of people who are admitted to the hospital every year from it, that's unheard of anywhere else. I dunno, maybe a public awareness campaign could be conducted, like a brochure or something that is sold with every mushroom, telling people "Don't be an idiot!". It sucks that you have to actually say that though.
Staggering number of people who are admitted to the hospital every year?
Are we talking about mushrooms or alcohol?
No modern government bans drugs out of hope for a damage prevention solution, they all realized long ago that that possibility was simply a delusion. They exploit the drug using minority for the same reason governments have exploited vulnerable minorities since the beginning of time, to gain authoritarian control and to undermine individual freedom.
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