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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: superpimp]
    #924646 - 10/02/02 12:30 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hey superpimp, i believe your alkaloids breakdown is quite correct now. you are also correct in pointing out tsuviri ("false peyote"), which is another variety of ariocarpus, "ariocarpus retusus". however, i believe that alleged alkaloid differences between ariocarpus fissuratus and ariocarpus retusus are based on ethnobotanical traditions, and are not supprted by chemical analysis. i have the most updated chemical analysis for these cacti somewhere, and i will post them asap. in the meantime, i continue to be very interested in all comments, reports,info in general on the ariocarpus cacti


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: comario2]
    #924802 - 10/02/02 01:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

My info is coming from "Peyote and Other Psychoactive Cacti" by Adam Gottlieb. It was origonally published in 1977 and republished in 1997, so the info may be a little out of date.


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: superpimp]
    #925017 - 10/02/02 03:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hey, isn't adam gottlieb the dude who wrote (published and is still selling like crazy) "how to produce 5000 doses of psylocibin per week in small room"? i love him, but i wouldn't consider him 100% reliable! "trout's notes" and trout's many publications on the subject, are much more reliable and updated. check him out!


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: comario2]
    #14970285 - 08/24/11 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I have one of these that I know is 40+ yrs old, I inherited from my grandmother. It is 4 1/2" wide and about 2 1/2" in height. Today is the first time I've been able to identify exactly what it was. I've only seen in bloom one time and that was about 9yrs ago. I keep it as an indoor plant mostly. Not sure what kind of soil to use or potting requirements for it, but I do treasure it. Looking forward learning more about it....thanks for sharing!


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: stacym]
    #14971081 - 08/24/11 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Are these considered impossible to graft?


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: durian_2008]
    #14971817 - 08/24/11 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They are not impossible to graft at all durian.  If it's gonna be grafted most people start by grafting the seedlings which are easy to graft and relatively quick.  Trying to graft a big adult like that would be kinda a travesty though - might as well save it for its seeds and just graft those.

OP - good looking Ariocarpus.  Sale of Ariocarpus is legal but poaching is afaik illegal.  People do raise them for sale from seed and in Phoenix I have seen Ariocarpus in 4" pots for sale around $40, 6-7" size around $60-80, and multi-headed ones can go for a lot.  Here's a picture of the one I've been taking care of for a few years now that was originally in someone's yard and was rescued before they redid the landscaping.  Not as big as yours but it's one of my favorite plants.



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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: PoC]
    #14972159 - 08/24/11 07:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Trying to graft a big adult like that would be kinda a travesty though - might as well save it for its seeds and just graft those.





With a 100+ year old specimen, I wouldn't dare.

With the seedlings, I would.

Will have to look some up in the Marketplace.


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Re: 100+yrs old tsunami ("ariocarpus fissuratus") [Re: durian_2008]
    #14972772 - 08/24/11 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the huichol really don't use these other cacti unless they are a particularly knowledgable kaiwitero or marakame (words for wise men or healers). Most of them stick to peyote for good reason. There are also species of ariocarpus or others that are said to be the cactus that the bad sorcerers eat to know darkness.  :werewolf:

What the OP has is a really special cactus I would never ever bioassay or graft something that old and rare. Keep that old guy looking spiffy!


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