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Karo tek
    #919402 - 09/30/02 02:38 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

My friend has a presto 8qt pressure cooker and no matter what he does the karo always caramelizes!  He has tried heating up to pressure very slowly keeping the heat as low as possible, he has tried putting cloth underneath the jars (there is a heat spacer in the bottom.)  He tried putting empty half pint jars underneath the karo jars inside the pc with minimal success, could only pc for 6 min though.  It didn't caramelize but it did contam a few days later.  My friend Needs help!!  Has anyone had success microwaving!?  :frown: :confused: 


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #919817 - 09/30/02 05:54 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Anyone?^^^^^^^^^^^bump^^^^^^^^^^^PLEASE!!


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #919827 - 09/30/02 06:00 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

yeah dude microwave


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921474 - 10/01/02 02:55 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

What?


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921486 - 10/01/02 03:12 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

It sounds like you`re doing something wrong there.
I`ve never caramalised my honey water.
I just get it up to pressure and let it go for 45 minuted with my grain.



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Re: Karo tek [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #921495 - 10/01/02 03:20 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I know he's doing somthing wrong because if he wasn't doing anything wrong then he wouldn't have asked me to post this question! He wants some help, if anyone could offer some HELP instead of obvious statements or smartass comments I'm sure he would be very greatful.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921498 - 10/01/02 03:22 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I appologize if anyone is offended but this is frustrating!! HELP!


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921502 - 10/01/02 03:26 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Well my point was that he naturally is making a mistake somewhere other than during the PC process??
Think about it.
Is he possibly using too much honey??


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Re: Karo tek [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #921711 - 10/01/02 06:50 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I use 1 tsp. Karo per 100ml water. Is that correct?


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921753 - 10/01/02 07:13 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

that sounds fine.
Very strange.
I use one tblspn per 100ml.
sometimes more sometime less.
are you not PC it to a pressure thats maybe a bit high.
If you`re battling try just boil sterilising with a normal pot?


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Re: Karo tek [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #921755 - 10/01/02 07:14 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

also you say you caramalised it??
explain what you deem caramalising and why it`s useless?


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Re: Karo tek [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #921798 - 10/01/02 01:26 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Yeah it's yellowed after it comes out of the pc. The sugar has started to cook. I read that this can cause the myc to mutate and grow abnormally. I read this in Nan's karo tek. The reason for the karo is so the solution is clear and contams can be identified. Will just boiling the solution kill all the contams? Instead of pcing. I dont think it is possible to exceed the 15 lbs of pressure with my pressure cooker. It uses a weight that is suppossed to keep it at no more than 15 lbs.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #921857 - 10/01/02 09:03 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Dude thats a dumb question, even in the pf tek it explains you can boil jars. Thats an obvious answer. it could have been answered with a search..


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Re: Karo tek [Re: LordSenate]
    #922006 - 10/01/02 10:29 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

"Dude" The pf tek doesn't say anything about the karo tek. The pf tek says you can boil brf/verm substrate.  In the karo tek it says to pc, it doesn't say anything about boiling.  Have you personally tried boiling karo water successfully?  If you have could you tell me if it worked without contaming.  If you haven't then "dude", don't post DUMB replys and SEARCH for a brain cause obviously you can't read.  Earlier in this thread I asked people not to send me stupid replys and obvious comments, too bad there isn't brail on the coimputer screen for you but just try and sound out the words, cause my friend is only asking for help not arrogant coments from you "Dude". Thanks  :grin:


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #922009 - 10/01/02 10:33 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Boomin, I regularly PC my karo jars for 20-30 minutes @ 15 lbs. and never suffer from any caramelization issues. I use 1/2 tsp. of light corn syrup for every 100ml of water.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922017 - 10/01/02 10:39 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Thank you for the advice Mickey I'll tell my friend, maybe 1 tsp. is just too much sugar.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #922028 - 10/01/02 10:43 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

It might also have something to do with the type of water your friend is using. Try using distilled water. When you have water with minerals etc. in it, it raises the boiling temp and may be allowing it to get too hot.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #922029 - 10/01/02 10:43 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I don't think so, though. If it's getting too hot, any sugar in the jar would begin to caramelize. Are you using a towel on the bottom of the PC to keep the jars from scorching?


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Re: Karo tek [Re: StS]
    #922032 - 10/01/02 10:46 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

In reply to:

It might also have something to do with the type of water your friend is using. Try using distilled water. When you have water with minerals etc. in it, it raises the boiling temp and may be allowing it to get too hot.



This sounds wrong to me. At sea level, water temperature cannot exceed 100*C when it's boiling. This is because it is converted to vapor at that point. Boiling water under pressure raises the temperature where water turns to vapor.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922085 - 10/01/02 11:07 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

That's true mickey, but only when referring to pure water.  For example if you have a pot of boiling water, the water is at 212? F, the boiling point of water (I think that's right :crazy:).  If you add salt to the water, you now have a salt solution, and the boiling point of that solution will be higher than 212?. :grin:


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Re: Karo tek [Re: StS]
    #922089 - 10/01/02 11:08 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

How much higher are you claiming? I would bet that it would be nominal at most.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922115 - 10/01/02 11:17 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

How much higher are you claiming?


 

I wasn't really trying to claim anything or state anything concrete.  I just figured that if you had say well water with lots of minerals in it, or something maybe it could at least be contributing to Boomin's friend's troubles. :grin:


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Re: Karo tek [Re: StS]
    #922124 - 10/01/02 11:19 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

If it did anything, it wouldn't even be enough for you to measure.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922152 - 10/01/02 11:29 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I think it wouldn't raise the boiling point of water since its just a solution and not chemically bonded to the water molecule to alter its properties. The boiling point should stay still at 212 but you would be left with saltwater after the evap. just my op.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: socratesmind]
    #922154 - 10/01/02 11:31 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Those were my thoughts as well.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922157 - 10/01/02 11:33 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

It does affect it measurably mickey, I know this from chem class in HS. Here is a link that shows this. And this is with only adding one compound.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922172 - 10/01/02 11:40 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I have no clue , but perhaps my question to Mickey may shed some light .

Mickey ............... Does grade or quality matter ? i.e. light , dark , types of sugars used to make syrup etc........ effect how they react to boiling .
Also could over exposure (too long of time ) to boiling cause carmelization ?
Time exposed , not temp exposed to .

But I agree with common sense statement about quantity used ......... the more sugars you have present in mixture (dilution levels) the more likely they are to bind together forming crystals . Carmelization usually comes from.... to high of a temp , not quantity of sugars .


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Re: Karo tek [Re: socratesmind]
    #922176 - 10/01/02 11:40 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I also found this link with a good explanation of why it happens.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: StS]
    #922181 - 10/01/02 11:43 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

From the link:
    A mole of particles elevates water's boiling point by 0.52 degrees Celcius.
Measurable, yes, significant, no. :grin: 


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Re: Karo tek [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #922206 - 10/01/02 11:56 AM (19 years, 2 days ago)

It's quite possible there is much more than one mole of particles in the water. 
Measurable, yes, significant, perhaps not but since he was doing everything else right and still having problems, might as well explore all possibilities, right? :wink: :grin:


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Re: Karo tek [Re: StS]
    #922247 - 10/01/02 12:14 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

I told my friend to use 1/2 tsp instead of a whole tsp, he said it worked.  Pcd it for 20 min. It came out clear as when it went in!  Thank you very much Mickey. :laugh: 


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #922254 - 10/01/02 12:17 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

Glad it worked bro. Good luck.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #922257 - 10/01/02 12:17 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

look up sixtangos brown rice syrup tek......it was posted in july i do belive. BRS can be found in heath food shops they have difrent sweetnes levels get one with a mid to low sweetness level......afoaf uses that to save spores works like a charm.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: IDontGrow]
    #923832 - 10/01/02 09:43 PM (19 years, 1 day ago)

Atleast We were able to complete this thread with minimal attacks on individuals.
Thanks mickey for helping the guy out.
I was confused.
I`ve never used corn syrup I only use refined honey.
SO I`m glad you were able to help the guy, Boomin, goodluck with your karo water.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: Boomin]
    #924338 - 10/02/02 07:29 AM (19 years, 1 day ago)

just a friendly tip for those growing mycellia in liquid-
the addition of about 1/4 teaspoon of yeast nutrient will substantially increase the growth of mycellia beyond normal.
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Re: Karo tek [Re: Hippie3]
    #924414 - 10/02/02 09:19 AM (19 years, 1 day ago)

It seems a bit excessive to go pressure cooking water (with a dash of honey) anyway. If it doesn't work for you then just boil. Boiling will do anyway. In the case of substrate sterilization sure, but we're talking about a bit of H20.


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Re: Karo tek [Re: utopianglory]
    #924614 - 10/02/02 12:16 PM (19 years, 1 day ago)

Thanks to those who helped to answer my questions my friend thanks you all for your help. :grin: 


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