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Apollyphelion
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LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence
#9183990 - 11/04/08 06:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well here is a piece on music I started to write, which transformed into "thought journal" type material, which I haven't worked on til now, in the form of this article
Presenting: Unfinished Music: A Lack of Confidence
Music is still absolutley insane while the signals fade more slowly. Keeps me coming back everytime. I get the pleasure of having the last half second or so of music still resonating as the next note plays.
It is like music folds on itself; Consonance (harmony) becomes even more meaningful, and dissonance resonates more as it struggles (epicly!) to find resolve. You have great ease to remain at the beginning while experiencing the middle so to speak.
Now you could go the mathematical route and determine vibration frequencies measured against other vibrational frequencies to understand exactly what is resonating to a number. I'd rather dick around and feel it out, though.
For instance, you can prove without a doubt that a scale sounds the way it does because of frequecies paced at regular intervals, but there is no way I will listen to Harry Belafonte's version of Waltzing Maltilda. In otherwords, the math doesn't check out well with me.
I think it is weird I can say that, though. I could say I don't like the song because I think Harry Belafonte over did Harmony (meaning mathematical resonance was milked, honey) Maybe I just need to be on morphine. Maybe it IS musical morphine.
Music has caused me to direct listening differently There seems to be an increased sensitivity between the relationships of sounds.
In moments of noise, through intentional listening syncopation, one can decipher an a generally symmetrical or asymmetrical beat. White noise such as a hum or fan is apparent-is this automatic?
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Alright, that is what I had intended, before I thought it was no good and gave it to "out pile" status or even "layway"
Originally the article was going to be about how music is somewhat subjective and somewhat objective Meaning the math may check out, but I associate it with shiitiness! (for instance, an overdone version of "when Johnny Comes Marching Home")
So what is this article about now? Musical Confidence when playing the song of life. The original piece isn't finished, so I kind of switched keys here, but that's alright because I'm finishing the song.
When playing Pipes or Geetar, I find it necessary to not hold back when improving. Even if a note sounds "mathematically incorrect" at the time, check it out more. All those mistakes, acts of unintended dissonance will probably strengthen the resolve of harmony; given the right context.
So, basically if I cause dissonance, I can jump off of it into harmony creating a more relative state of closure, when jamming out.
I'm confident some of this might sound good.
I have Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti... ... ... wait for it... wait...it's coming... ... ... DO! names!
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Hobbit141
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Apollyphelion]
#9184042 - 11/04/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very interesting
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Apollyphelion
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Hobbit141]
#9184112 - 11/04/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noteworthy
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Apollyphelion]
#9185079 - 11/04/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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music theory is such an enigma.. perhaps unlocking its secrets will spell a lot for other senses too. for example, when we watch a dance, or feel a massage,is it not just as much a type of 'music', with rhythms and qualities that differentially relate to eachother?
IT is about time that musical theory moved a step ahead from the classic grounding of 'notes' and 'chords' and looked more directly at the way that the brain receives music.
mathematically 'correct' music often sounds bad because it involves just one, obvious, discrete mathematical relationship between notes (eg using the major scale). Strange dissonances that lead to grand shifts in tension and release.. well to me this suggests that there are many multiple mathematical relationships developing and resolving simultaneously in most pleasing music. Different reference points, multi-layered scales, semi-shifts in key.. drawing out relationships between notes that in themselves have a specific relationship to the other relationships between notes.
we try to think about music sometimes like a stream of notes, just like we write it. But it is perhaps better to be thought of as a stream of brain activators which function on many different 'linear progresssions', all tying together into one rope of music, which we misinterpret as a single stream of information. Indeed, music enters our ears as a single stream. But all of our sensors for music are seperate, each being influenced by specific aspects of soundd. It is the orchestration of our response to music within our brain which truly defines the music, and not the vibrating air that exists between musical sources and ourselves
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redgreenvines
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Apollyphelion]
#9187303 - 11/05/08 04:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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just love jose F with his mouth shut and his one hand style of spanish
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bryguy27007
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: redgreenvines]
#9187367 - 11/05/08 05:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is such a cool thread. I don't know much about music theory, but I find it an incredibly interesting idea. That the emotion that music can invoke can be laid out mathematically on paper. Wow.
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El Zorro
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: bryguy27007]
#9188459 - 11/05/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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bryguy27007 said: This is such a cool thread. I don't know much about music theory, but I find it an incredibly interesting idea. That the emotion that music can invoke can be laid out mathematically on paper. Wow.
It is the interpretation that invokes the emotions. MIDI is soulless.
Many times when tripping I can hear entire pieces of music as if they permeated the entire fabric of the universe.
Music proves we have something good in us.
And theory is not where the emotions come from. Grab a guitar and start playing. Or any instrument. It is your soul that plays. Anything less might as well be midi.
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El Zorro
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Noteworthy]
#9188561 - 11/05/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said: It is the orchestration of our response to music within our brain which truly defines the music, and not the vibrating air that exists between musical sources and ourselves
Yes, we are all wired differently and respond differently to music. How can vibrations in the air cause such emotions? Some people are not moved by music at all. I, however, can not live without it. If I don't have it I have to create it. Either outwardly or within.
Most of us have our musical prejudices as well that hinder us from positively processing certain music.
It is much more than theory and mathematics.
I some times try to imagine an alien race that does not have a medium such as air or water.
What would music be to them?
Are there other forms of music that could be expressed via electromagnetic waveforms. Or something even more unimaginable?
Or can music be unique to this planet? Or ears?
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Apollyphelion
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Apollyphelion]
#9189978 - 11/05/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you for all the replies, darlings!
Well music can play in your brain, kind of. like recalling relative points of sound /to "texture" objects as such
every lamp post, a note, sidewalk square a drum. Patterns and still (moving) rhythms all around which sense is music to your proverbial ears? Sometimes I say look at this song.
Can you taste the moon via gave? Crash that association train naturally or forced to even imagine what it is like to hear my written words.
Music Philosophy is like some sort of ultimate sound causing machine allowing endless tinerking.
Very Fine Art, it is.
It is like Jose Feliciano detaches every part of himself except thine watching whilst playing the song. Surreal almost.
I have Do You Feel Like I feel? names!
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Noteworthy
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Re: LSD: Music and Lack of Confidence [Re: Apollyphelion]
#9191574 - 11/05/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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For you ppl interested in music theory, make sure to research Pythagorean Tuning, and its transition into modern equidistant tuning systems.
The modern system is like an amazing economisation that sacrifices purity of tone for total transposability. So, true music cannot just be put on 12 keys. But by making it do so, we can take something in C and put it up to C# and it will sound basically the same. We can also play G scale by changing just one note.
But our internal musical system is based on a relationship that is slightly different to the modern way. Unfortunately, when playing music in this other system, each key has its own tuning, and in order to include multiple keys on an instrument, it would have to have more and more notes, many of which would be very slight variations of eachother.
In fact, thats what keyboard makers started doing before the advent of the modern system (headlined by Bach's 'well tempered clavier') known as 'equal temperament'. Before E.T., keyboard makers added extra keys into their keyboards to allow a musician to play multiple keys without having to retune their instrument (which was traditionally the way that a key was 'changed')
check it out
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