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IcAnFeeLthErain
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? about dehydrators
#9187231 - 11/05/08 03:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm considering purchasing a food dehydrator, since it is such a recommended method of drying/preserving from members like veda_sticks. My question is how well will the fruits tolerate the heat produced by these units? I have read a tek that suggests removing the heating element from these type models and replacing with a tub of desiccant, but how does this make the food dehydrator any more efficient than a regular old box fan propped up parallel to the floor w/ the shrooms arranged on top? Please let me know how you all feel about dehydrator drying methods before i go hunting for one, and if I can expect solid (no bruising) results from using a box fan as mentioned above.
Thanks!
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veda_sticks
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Ignore those old teks. The most experienced cultivators use dehydrators at upto 140f with no loss in potency.
Those teks have been written by inexperienced cultivators who mistaken variation in potency from multispore grows as being caused by heat. Prolonged exposed to air will cause more potency loss than drying quickly and storing in air tight containers.
The actives break down at much higher temps.
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: veda_sticks]
#9187360 - 11/05/08 05:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe mine reaches up to 120f or maybe less and I never get a loss in potency, after they're cracker dry all you need to do is put them in a bag and vacuum seal them, throw them in the freezer and you have a bag of mushrooms to last you a year
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Gojira45
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: HybridprX]
#9187543 - 11/05/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Stick with veda_sticks for the win.
Hands on experience - I dry at 140F and have no potency loss. If you feel your mushrooms are weak, it's not the drying... and as I've said before, be careful labeling them as weak - your tolerance could be off, stomach has food, etc.
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blood4blood
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Gojira45]
#9187565 - 11/05/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have a nesco so iam able to dry mine at lower temps, around 105 i think. anyways, alot of my friens make tea with their mushrooms and that involves boiling water and there is no sign of loss of potency. myth busted! get a food dehydrator.
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veda_sticks
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: blood4blood]
#9187578 - 11/05/08 08:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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talking about busting myths, id love to see that on mythbusters Lol. i miss that programme.
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Gojira45]
#9187694 - 11/05/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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IcAnFeeLthErain said: Please let me know how you all feel about dehydrator drying methods before i go hunting for one, and if I can expect solid (no bruising) results from using a box fan as mentioned above.
Some species of psilocybin mushrooms bruise blue when handled or damaged due to the oxidization of phenolic compounds, not the oxidization of psilocybin... This is not a definitive method of identification or determining a mushroom's potency.
Psilocybin is rapidly dephosphorylated in the body to psilocin which then acts as a partial agonist at the serotonin receptor in the brain where it mimics the effects of serotonin. Psilocin is extremely unstable and sensitive to oxidation. It is 1.4 times as active as psilocybin. Psilocin is the "Rolls-Royce" of psychedelics
You want to dehydrate them as soon as possible, and what better way via a dehydrator... I strongly advocate eating them fresh ! NEVER freeze them (OR when thawed you will just have a gooey mess), but it is ok to store them in the fridge for about 10 days or so... although, two other chemicals in shrooms, "baeocystin and norbaeocystin" are effected (Oxidation) by age. A nuther reason to eat as soon as possible. Baeocystin and Norbaeocystin are just psilocybin with one methyl and two methyls respectively lopped off.
People do boil mushrooms into a tea, some mix them into bakables... Heat can support potency loss, for some of the active chemicals in mushrooms are delicate and have a short afterlife... although it is small, and prolly not THAT noticeable. Just take an extra gram, you'll be ok
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Quote:
IcAnFeeLthErain said: I'm considering purchasing a food dehydrator, since it is such a recommended method of drying/preserving from members like veda_sticks. My question is how well will the fruits tolerate the heat produced by these units? I have read a tek that suggests removing the heating element from these type models and replacing with a tub of desiccant, but how does this make the food dehydrator any more efficient than a regular old box fan propped up parallel to the floor w/ the shrooms arranged on top? Please let me know how you all feel about dehydrator drying methods before i go hunting for one, and if I can expect solid (no bruising) results from using a box fan as mentioned above.
Thanks!
i bought the dehydrator, then when i ran out of room i bought 8 more racks for it- its a complete pain in the ass. a laundry basket and a box fan works just as good and in the same time frame, the dehydrator was fun , then it felt pointless.
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: grod31]
#9188172 - 11/05/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some of the most potent shrooms I've ever grown came off brown rice cakes and were tossed in a food dehydrator for 8 hours.
It beats the hell out of a box fan and then a wire mesh enclosure over a tub of desiccant, if you ask me. I put enough work into inoculation and cultivation that I really don't want the headache of worrying about drying the fruits of my labor.
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cmod777debian
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Brennus]
#9188451 - 11/05/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a dehydrator. I have had it for about 8 years. Used it to dry tons of deer jerky and fruits. It still works with mushrooms. I have no clue what the temp is. I am going to test it's temp today.
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Gojira45
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cmod777debian said: I have a dehydrator. I have had it for about 8 years. Used it to dry tons of deer jerky and fruits. It still works with mushrooms. I have no clue what the temp is. I am going to test it's temp today.
If it's for jerky & the like, and has no temp setting, its probably in the 140F range...
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IcAnFeeLthErain
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Gojira45]
#9189951 - 11/05/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shit, with lack of a better method I placed my fruits on wicker paper plate holders and popped them into the old oven at 170F, but I left the door down w/ a fan blowing into the oven (the mushrooms were hardly warm to the touch) and it worked well.
After a three hours they were all very dry and I placed them in a container w/ Drierite. I checked them a day later and they're more spongy than they were before I took them out of the oven. SOB!
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Stimpy913
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they don't lose potency in the dehydrator. Maybe if your dehydrator gets hot enough to bake bread, but i doubt it.
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doze
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Stimpy913]
#9190192 - 11/05/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm did you previously use the drierite? i would suggest sticking it in the oven at 400 degrees to recharge the desiccant.
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J3illy
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: doze]
#9190215 - 11/05/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try and just get a cheap dehydrator.. The fancy ones talking about beef jerky are apt to get alot hotter.. Or better yet, find one w/ adjustable temp control - but not all of the have this.. Another member mentioned how when he's running the dehydrator, he has a fan blowing directly at it to dissipate some heat..
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: J3illy]
#9190272 - 11/05/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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if your dehydrator gets too hot you can set the whole thing over a fan
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Gojira45
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noobieshroomie said: if your dehydrator gets too hot you can set the whole thing over a fan
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Just to remind everyone - a hot dehydrator doesn't effect potency. I personally wouldn't mess around with having a dehydrator sitting on a fan.. the dehydrator is basically a hair dryer with plastic around it.. why risk having it tip over, overheat & burn your place down? Put it someplace nice & stable & enjoy quickly dried mushrooms.
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Re: ? about dehydrators [Re: Gojira45]
#9190411 - 11/05/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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strap it on there i put my dehydrator on my kitchen counter
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