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Psilocybe azurescens??
    #9178079 - 11/03/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ok could these be Psilocybe azurescens??


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
    #9178089 - 11/03/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

They look quite a bit like them, but you should give better pictures and much more detail about the setting in my opinion.

Someone on this board can probably tell just from that picture alone though so by no means take my word for it and start munching them till you get another reply.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: KocLobster]
    #9178137 - 11/03/08 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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They look quite a bit like them, but you should give better pictures and much more detail about the setting in my opinion.

Someone on this board can probably tell just from that picture alone though so by no means take my word for it and start munching them till you get another reply.




Growing on submerged wood debry close to a woodchip pile which the year before had been loaded with very powerful P.Cyanescens.. im pretty sure the woodchips had their origin in the Pacific NorthWest.. we get other Cyans over here too but they are pretty mild in comparison. Also a give away of North American decent was Pluteus atromarginatus growing on this wood chip bed.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
    #9178197 - 11/03/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

probably just cyans

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9178759 - 11/03/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

where are you located?

it's hard to tell from the side view, but i've found that cyans not very round-capped at much of any point in their lifetime, but that azures are much more uniformly round.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: starseed1066]
    #9178889 - 11/03/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

They look like Psilocybe cyanescens to me.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
    #9178912 - 11/03/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

they look alot like azures to me...they are def lacking the wavy cap feature with the cyans!


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: pfshroomer]
    #9179221 - 11/03/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

if a cow gives birth to an unusual calf, do you assume it's a horse?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: canid]
    #9181015 - 11/04/08 02:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ok so when the cyans were up there where to kinds ... this kind and the wavy kind... i assumed that they where both cyans but i now have doubt. Unfortunatly at that time i didn't have a good camera hence the poor piocture quality.

some mature specimins collected from the grassy area at the time, the dark colouring is actually bruising.... within a day of harvesting some of these mushrooms whee just blue....




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there is at least one cyan in these pictures....



same as above from different angle



Im not sure on what the chances are of there being any growing this seaon but i shall check it out, if i do find any i will take a my camera and picture quality would be 1000x better - i will also scrutinise the mushroom

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
    #9181031 - 11/04/08 02:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I am pretty sure these are P. azurescens.

They do not get wavy like P. cyanescens and they aren't as meaty as P. cyanofriscosa.  I don't see an annulus on the stipe that would indicate that its in the Stuntzae section.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
    #9181033 - 11/04/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

they still look like cyanescens, just with a more pronounced nipple on the top


they may very well be a new cyanescens variant, theres a lot of those popping up it seems, i personally think they are evolving into many forms, hell they have been found in southern california in the middle of summer with no rains recently...
ide say shits getting crazy!


matured azures have more umbonate features usually.
yours are still wavy and most are flat or are starting to turn into a grail form.


if your THAT curious, send a sample to alan or workman.
only a microscope and decent knowledge of how to use one will get you anywhere at this point.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9181041 - 11/04/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I am pretty sure these are P. azurescens.

They do not get wavy like P. cyanescens and they aren't as meaty as P. cyanofriscosa.  I don't see an annulus on the stipe that would indicate that its in the Stuntzae section.




They didn't take on the really wavy appearence with maturity that is why i have doubts now, back then i the tought had crossed my mind that they where azures but i dismissed that as wishfull thinking - i didn't think i had that much luck :grin:

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9181046 - 11/04/08 02:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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they still look like cyanescens, just with a more pronounced nipple on the top


they may very well be a new cyanescens variant, theres a lot of those popping up it seems, i personally think they are evolving into many forms, hell they have been found in southern california in the middle of summer with no rains recently...
ide say shits getting crazy!


matured azures have more umbonate features usually.
yours are still wavy and most are flat or are starting to turn into a grail form.


if your THAT curious, send a sample to alan or workman.
only a microscope and decent knowledge of how to use one will get you anywhere at this point.




Well these where found in the UK in early winter when temps where not getting above 9C - 10C there had also been rain and the odd slight (light) grass frost.

as for starting to turn.. well they didn't get any more wavy then that and i do not have a sample as they where consumed a few years ago. :wink:

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: psilocin85]
    #9185122 - 11/04/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The first photo looks like Ps. cyanescens to me.  Reasons are that they are still not fully mature, and I see a slight undulation of the margin of two in the photo.  As they grow to maturity, that waviness becomes more pronounced and the umbo usually recedes.

Now, the new photos you posted DO look like Ps. azurescens.  There are quite a few fully mature specimens there and many of them retain the umbonate pileus and no waviness. 

I'm not saying that they are one or the other, but certainly could be two species there.



>they may very well be a new cyanescens variant, theres a lot of those
>popping up it seems, i personally think they are evolving into many forms,
>hell they have been found in southern california in the middle of summer
>with no rains recently...
>ide say shits getting crazy!

We don't know whether the "Cyanofriscosa" is a variant or a new species.  At first I figured they were a variant, but since last season I have reconsidered and think they are very likely a new species.

Which southern california collection are you referring to?  The one from LA?


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
    #9185275 - 11/04/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

azures are amazing, dry them, and then grind them up put in caps. Best way to dose, run deep in the forest by yourself.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: snoot]
    #9185415 - 11/04/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

by cyan variant i mean they are macroscopically similar to cyans and active.

the same can be said for

cyanofibrillosa
cyanofriscosa
subaeruginascens
whatever subbedhunter found



im not so much into "this is this mushroom, this is that one",
if they all look relatively the same and have a decent potency


to me they are just mutated cyans.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9185486 - 11/04/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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by cyan variant i mean they are macroscopically similar to cyans and active.

the same can be said for

cyanofibrillosa
cyanofriscosa
subaeruginascens
whatever subbedhunter found



im not so much into "this is this mushroom, this is that one",
if they all look relatively the same and have a decent potency


to me they are just mutated cyans.




Your concept of the word "variant" is very inconsistent with the working  definition as it applies to mycology or biological science in general.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
    #9185747 - 11/04/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

the only consistency i need is purple spore print, white stem, caramel cap, and blue bruising, growing on hardwoods.

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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9185791 - 11/04/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Why not refer to anything meeting that description as "wood-loving Psilocybe", as opposed to a specific, described species??

I just don't understand why you choose to call all of these distantly related species "variants" of a particular species?  It is not as though all the species you listed are descended from Ps. cyanescens, they each have their own independent lineages.  It just kind of seems like you are artificially constructing this hierarchy with Ps. cyanescens at the top and the other species as subsidiary.


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Re: Psilocybe azurescens?? [Re: CureCat]
    #9186412 - 11/04/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Why not refer to anything meeting that description as "wood-loving Psilocybe", as opposed to a specific, described species??

I just don't understand why you choose to call all of these distantly related species "variants" of a particular species?  It is not as though all the species you listed are descended from Ps. cyanescens, they each have their own independent lineages.  It just kind of seems like you are artificially constructing this hierarchy with Ps. cyanescens at the top and the other species as subsidiary.




Actually azurence are veriants of Cyans

Psilocybe cyanescens var. Astoria Ossip
  ( Psilocybe azurescens)

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