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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #9175473 - 11/03/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Subbed, who is working on this?


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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #9175522 - 11/03/08 12:11 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Mycotaxon is an excellent journal.


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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9178121 - 11/03/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You don't need any qualifications to name a species, however, you will need someone to do some ITS sequencing at the least.  But I mean, you better have a convincing proposal for this new species.  You have to have to site the evidence, and also describe all the identifying features. 

Usually I see amateurs decide to work with a professional in the field to help publish the paper.  Both of your names would be published.  For one, professional mycologists jobs revolve around researching and publishing your findings in a peer reviewed, scientific journal, so they're used to doing it all the time.  Furthermore, Scientific journals are more likely to consider your submission if the name of a well known scientist accompanies the paper.

Then the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) either accepts or rejects the proposal of the new species name.  So be sure that your evidence and article meets the criteria the codes.

I've been away from the Bruns Lab for a couple months, but plan to return as soon as I have the time and money to commute to Berkeley twice a week.  I think by January I may be back, so if you haven't had this Psilocybe sequenced by then, I can do it if you want.


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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #9178635 - 11/03/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

The mycelium is quite wispy, like Ps. tampanensis mycelium.

Ya gonna come back up here this Fall, Subbed?  You should come around the Fungus Fair, on Sat & Sun, Dec 6 & 7.


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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: asimmons]
    #9193077 - 11/06/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, thats amazing that you found a new species :smile:



What is amazing is finding a potent wood-loving Psilocybe in Southern California!

Finding new species is really common in mycology.  It happens all the time.  Often times new species are looked over or dismissed as a similar, better known species.


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Re: New Psilocybe species [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9671600 - 01/24/09 03:18 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

:lol:

What are the chances!


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205128 - 04/21/09 01:12 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It's not a question of either or.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: Strophariaceae]
    #10205185 - 04/21/09 01:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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As I asked before, has anybody (Workman? Guzman?) looked at these microscopically? I'd be happy to do this, BTW, but I don't want to jump all over anybody else's work if its being done.



Yup.  You really need to look at Workman's gallery.  I've linked ya to it a bunch of times. 

http://www.sporeworksgallery.com/California-collections/Alan_Rockefeller_CA_specimen_001
*This collection is actually one originally found and transplanted from Golden Gate Park, SF, to Oakland.  The "collector" wishes to remain anonymous, but these were from his patch.  I picked and dried them out.  I gave them to Alan to give to Workman.

It should also be noted that this is the same biological organism (transplant) as these that I collected in Marin County:
http://mushroomobserver.org/6772

http://www.sporeworksgallery.com/California-collections/auweia_subaeruginascens
*Auweia collection.

http://www.sporeworksgallery.com/California-collections/SanFran_azurelike_redone011707
*This was a Waylitjim collection from San Francisco.

These may all be different..


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205190 - 04/21/09 01:31 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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But mycologists and geneticists live on different planets.  :wink:



Good mycologists are geneticists.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205260 - 04/21/09 01:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I'm on my own planet.  I don't get many visitors.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205323 - 04/21/09 02:26 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I haven't met too many "elderly" mycologists...

The mycologists I have met all rely on cladistics.  It is integral to their research.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205355 - 04/21/09 02:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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99% of the taxonomic work here on the shroomery
are based on the classical  microscopic characteristics
like Spores, Pleurocystidia etc.



Yes...?
I don't see what you're getting at.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205366 - 04/21/09 02:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well...  Here is part of a Mycology Lab.  Most of the equipment in the images is used for genetic sequencing.



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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: Strophariaceae]
    #10205504 - 04/21/09 04:45 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Beautiful. But where are the results?



Scientific Journals mostly.  The actual sequence is not usually published, but the results are referenced and kept on file for future studies.

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I miss posts of RNA sequencing work on the shroomery.



I've posted some.  I don't really see the relevance though, since few people on here know how to use that information or they don't have access to the technology.

Also, when you use sites like Genbank to make sense of your results, it does not automatically enter your sequence into the database.  You'll notice that all those sequences you linked to have corresponding authors and articles.  I really wish the database automatically incorporated sequences, but I can also see some obstacles if that were the case.


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I mean, microscopy of the SoCal species (more than just the spores, preferably). There's nothing like that at Workman's gallery, or anywhere else I've seen.




Oooh, okay sorry.  I don't know.  I bet it is on Workman's to do list.  Alan may have looked at it.  PM subbedhunter if you want to look at it.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: Strophariaceae]
    #10205515 - 04/21/09 04:57 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

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Anybody priced a sequencer recently?



Hehehe.  There are one or two outdated models that are collecting dust at that lab, but without all of the other equipment (there is a LOT of other equipment) it is really useless.  Other local labs don't really have use for them, and they are massive and really heavy, so it would cost a lot to send one anywhere.


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Re: Description for new Psilocybe species [Re: nightflyer]
    #10205576 - 04/21/09 05:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I don't mean that a Mycologist has any official title as a Geneticist.
I mean that Mycologists, Botanists, and Microbiologists do most, if not all of the work on fungal genetics- not just any Geneticists. 

So I guess I'm not sure what you intended in saying that "mycologists and geneticists live on different planets"?
I thought you meant that Mycologists disregard genetics.


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