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J3illy
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Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks?
#9174869 - 11/02/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Guys I bought a 5 pack of MadSeason bags, and Im only starting w/ 2.. Now because Ive heard about bags drying out, I thought it would be a good idea to put them in some zip-lock bags.. Ive had them in there for a couple days, and I already see a bit of condensation on the inside of the zip-lock, which is showing that the bags are losing a bit of moisture, even inside there.. Mike from MadSeason said its not a good idea tho, as its anaerobic environment in there which could invite contams.. But if I dont have them in there wont they steadily lose more and more moisture? He said to just keep them rolled up, but the way these are rolled the patch is on the outside.. I heard about someone saying before they saved some for a while, but the patch was on the inside.. Anyone have any info? Its just that the humidity is not high in my room...
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9174881 - 11/02/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think "mike" answered all of your questions.
Knock them up later using 30-60cc of LC
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9174882 - 11/02/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd avoid ordering more than you know you'll need. Just order lots of filter patch bags and make your own as needed, then time will be on your side.
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J3illy
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: P.Menace]
#9174896 - 11/02/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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P.Menace said: I think "mike" answered all of your questions.
Knock them up later using 30-60cc of LC
So def take them outta there now? And I'd noc these 3 w/ LC right now if I had some.. I just didn't wanna do all 5 at once w/ spore sol. and have all 5 not work or something.. I noc'ed a couple Friday morning, and the bags are already getting puffy at the bottom which I've read should be a good sign..
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9174908 - 11/02/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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didnt hear anything about an LC in there other than you need one....lol
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9174912 - 11/02/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have too much substrate, buy a bigger tub. You could get a MMOONNNSTER pinset with that kind of volume.
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: CultiVader]
#9174924 - 11/02/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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CultiVader said: If you have too much substrate, buy a bigger tub. You could get a MMOONNNSTER pinset with that kind of volume.
you have no need for a "tub" when working with substrate bags... how many times do you need to be proven wrong? Besides... this thread is asking about storage of bags, not what to do with them later...
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J3illy
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: P.Menace]
#9174938 - 11/02/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I went for bags so I didn't have to deal w/ all that.. Now that I've been on the site reading tho, I *may* think about spawning something to bulk in a dub-tub or something.. But for now these bags I'm going in-vitro..
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: P.Menace]
#9174954 - 11/02/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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That was a joke. I thought the punctuation with smileys made that obvious. I'm a fan of sarcasm so I guess I'll need to tag my future responses.
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: CultiVader]
#9174972 - 11/02/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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CultiVader said: That was a joke. I thought the punctuation with smileys made that obvious. I'm a fan of sarcasm so I guess I'll need to tag my future responses.
Have you ever tried to read thru sarcasm on the internet??? Its literally fucking impossible! See... Sarcasm
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: P.Menace]
#9174992 - 11/02/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I re-read that and you have a point. I'm sorry if I came off as arrogant. I'm still pretty novice to the whole hobby but I do try to answer extreme newb ?'s to the best of my ability, simply because I was there once and this is a pretty intriguing activity that generates a lot of questions really fast.
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: CultiVader]
#9175020 - 11/02/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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then please.... for the noobs
learn before answering... try before suggesting... and dont spread misinformation, unless You believe it to be true in which case someone will straighten you out
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: P.Menace]
#9175178 - 11/02/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was thinking about taking 2 bags, knocking them up, and put them into a coir/verm case thingy? so i would go 1/2 inch of verm, bag stuff, then coir with some coffe grounds in it. Also i was wanting to knock these up with an LC and after looking around i found one i could understand which is (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5238137/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1 if i went with this LC method should i'd shoot ~60cc into a mycobag. Also, how does this idea sound for a grow project?
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: youngblood]
#9175226 - 11/02/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can tell you from first hand experience that they will last for a few weeks. I had to store mine for 18 days. I just rolled them up, put them in the box they came from and put them in the fridge. Took em out let them sit till they were at room temp and did my dirty deeds with them.
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J3illy
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: sparkplug]
#9175338 - 11/02/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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How detrimental could leaving them in a ziplock bag be? I really don't believe that it's an "anaerobic" environment inside the ziplock, which means no oxygen in there.. How could there not be oxygen in there? For there to be no oxygen, something in there would have had to consume it.. How would that be possible?
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9175352 - 11/02/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don’t know any more than you do about what it will or wont do to the bags. I will say that it is an anaerobic environment in there. Imagine putting a plastic bag over your head and fastening it at the bottom. what happens? You suffocate due to a lack of O2
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: youngblood]
#9175362 - 11/02/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly- cuz YOU consumed the oxygen.. If it's anaerobic in there right now, then what consumed the oxygen?? lol..
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9175428 - 11/02/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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a small amount will go in (and some out) through the filter patch. the rest will squeeze out of the bag and into the environment through any space it can get out. some air will still be in there so it wont be a complete anaerobic environment but damn close. regardless i would (and have) taken mikes advice from the mad season. if any one is going to know anything about these bags i would think it would be him
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J3illy
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: youngblood]
#9175448 - 11/02/08 11:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I opened the bags a little bit.. That way there's no possibility of there being any type of anaerobic environment in there lol.. So now I don't see there being an issue [hopefully]
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: J3illy]
#9175592 - 11/03/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Straight from mycofactory, money back guarantee. They give discounts like the others when you buy 4 and then again in increments of 2.
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: Deepsea Steve]
#9193465 - 11/06/08 03:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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My cat also has a couple mycobags on the way. He's gonna store it in 2 black trash bags (which I hear comes sterile) after noc'ing up with B+ and Cambodian. Black, to block out the light, 2 for double assurance (leaving the top of the bag open for gas exchange). While reading some posts, I learned that keeping the bags upright for gas exchange through the filter patch is good... but what do I know? I'm new here.
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Re: Storing Mycobags for a couple weeks? [Re: Kons]
#9193499 - 11/06/08 03:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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OK I'll give you a rundown of what to do, as I just noc'ed up 2 bags last Friday.. The #1 thing for starters is STERILITY - go to CVS and get latex gloves, oust/lysol, 70% alcohol & a spray bottle, 70% alcohol wipes.. When you're ready to inoculate, try and do it in the middle of a bedroom, up high off the ground.. I put a big box on top of a bar-stool..
Now 1st of all, make sure you just showered and washed your hands thoroughly.. Put some latex gloves on and spray w/ alcohol spray.. Get your Mycobag out [I thoroughly recommend MadSeason], and if the substrate is really hard and compressed, massage it a little to soften it.. Now wipe the injector port w/ an alcohol wipe, and leave it on there covering it..
Next w/ your syringe - as you're sliding the cap off the needle, try and slide an alcohol wipe right over it as you're doing it - you wanna try and prevent it from coming in contact w/ air.. If the syringe is brand-new, don't bother flaming it - no need.. Now what I did, is I injected the needle right thru the alcohol wipe on the injector port - just to be really safe.. I went in at an angle to the left or right, and pushed the needle all the way in.. Then I pushed my hand holding the needle inwards, and I saw the needle in the bag emerge outta the substrate.. When you do this correctly, you see the needle right in between the substrate and the wall of the bag.. This is where you want it - you want to inject right along that wall, and actually see the liquid come out..
So I injected 2cc all the way to the left, and another 2cc all the way to the right.. Now at this point, the bag is not gonna be inflated or hold itself open - but just keep it extended as much as you can.. Now after you've injected - the BIGGEST thing I can tell you is to NOT touch the bag anymore, no more massaging! This is what ruins so many people's bags on here, and I'll tell you why..
Now at this point, I put my bags in the box they came in - which I put on top of my warm stereo.. I notice that the box got a little too warm, so I put a folded T-shirt in there which is perfect.. Here's what it looks like:
Now at this stage, it's the waiting game.. I've read ALOT of threads on here, and based on what people do and how they inoculated - they may be waiting a LONG time before they see anything.. If you inject into the middle of the substrate - you'll be waiting weeks to see growth.. And if you start massaging the bag everyday, thinking you're helping - you will also be waiting a LONG time, because you're actually preventing the mycelium from growing.. Just think about a jar - there's no way you can disturb the substrate thru a bag, so they have a high success rate.. With a bag tho, it's so easy to disturb it - so if you keep handling it, just forget about growing anything..
Now I took this advice seriously, and did NOT handle my bags.. Sure, I looked at them a couple times a day, but that was it.. And what happened was, I woke up on the 3rd day, and saw growth! Out of all the Mycobag threads I'd read using regular old spore-solution, I'd never seen someone get growth that quick.. And now I'm 5 days into it, and the mycelium is quite established in both bags, and I couldn't be happier.. Here's a pic right here, it's tough to see, cuz my macro sucks, but you can at least get an idea of what it looks like when you 1st get growth..
Now I'm using the MadSeason bags, and Sporeworks syringes - and I can't say enough about how good they are.. And if you're gonna get into this, try and follow what I did exactly.. Don't touch or massage the bags after injecting - #1 thing! And just think if you follow these instructions, you should DEFINITELY be seeing growth within 5 days.. Any other questions, just let me know.. My grow log will continue to be updated with pictures..
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