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OfflineBeaverking
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First Time Salvia User??
    #9161246 - 10/30/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, some guys and me at work were talking about trying Salvia.  We tried to find some in quite a few smoke shops when we finally found some.  Not knowing much about the doses or anything, I went to pick some up for us to try after work one day.  I bought some Purple Sticky Salvia 40atomiX.  It was the medium dose they had and was 30 bucks for a gram, and I didnt want to spend more than that at the time.  We took it and not much happened to any of us, kind of just a stoned feeling.  I took the rest home and tried another hit myself.  Same thing, but more stoned, still nothing special.  Took it a third time that night, and definately felt very stoned, but no "Breakthrough" or what you want to call it.  The third time I felt just so heavy like I was being sucked or stuck into the couch.  It felt as if my body weighed 2000 pounds.  I closed my eyes and laid my head back and I remember it was like gravity was pulling my jaw open, it was so heavy.  So I just let my jaw hang there while I enjoyed the heavy tingling feeling, but I didnt see anything, nothing at all.  I want to breakthrough to experience what so many are talking about, but Im not sure what I need to do. 

First off, I smoked it out of a standard metal pipe with a screen and a torch lighter, and held it in for quite a while.  I definately could tell a difference the third time over the first two.

Second like I said I bought the brand purple sticky salvia, maybe that isnt the best brand or kind to buy, and that has something to do with it.  After I bought it before we smoked the first time, I did a lot of researching that night, and thought I had just purchased a 40x extract.  In reality, I just barely looked at their webpage, and the 40atomiX is really only a 10x extract.  Possibly this could have been the problem, not a strong enough dose.  I dont know what I should try, or what brand.  Purple sticky seems to be more expensive than other brands.  The actual 40x extract for Purple Sticky brand is almost 100 dollars, and you can get other brands, or no brand off the internet for 30 dollars for a 40x.  Can anybody tell me a good brand name or place online to buy that they know works, and is high quality, and not ridiculously priced.  Ive recently today been looking at the salvia zone brand, and you can get 1 gram of Red Zone for 35 dollars I think.  Is this a good brand and dose?  Can I get into salvia land with this?  Sorry for all the questions, and long post, Im just a noob, and trying to get to the magic land.

Thanks for anybodies help.  BTW, out of that gram of Purple Sticky, I have probably one bowl left, so 1 gram went to roughly 6 bowls, I dont know if thats a good amount.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9162098 - 10/30/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Being new to Salvia myself, I can say for me it was about the same. The 1st time was interesting....but nothing too special. The 2nd time was much better, and the 3rd was great. So this leads me to agree with the reverse tolerance people talk about.

I can't say too much, because I am learning myself. 30 bucks is about what I see in the local head shop here. I bought 5x for 20 bucks a gram. But I just ordered some online for 11 bucks a g, for 10x so I'd consider ordering it online if I were you, as its about half the price or even better. Good luck.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: iAmJaY]
    #9162919 - 10/31/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

first of all I would skip the torch lighter
the metal pipe (marijuana style) is perfect.

using a bic lighter ignite and cache the entire bowl very quickly (not slowly like marijuana)
faster the better.
take it in deep,
hold 30 seconds

if you can refill the bowl, try.
by 90 seconds the peak will occur.

if you took a second hit the peak will be higher.

if it really is 40x you should not be able to take the second hit


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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9164230 - 10/31/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Is purple sticky brand good?  No it says 40atomiX, but really thats just 40 mg, so it equals out to be 10x, according to the purple sticky site.  Maybe thats why I can't breakthrough, to low?

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9164338 - 10/31/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

As you've asked, the brand I use is called Special Salvia (http://www.specialsalvia.co.uk).  The 15X is plenty enough, but I've also tried the 20X too (I've got some 35X waiting for me that I haven't tried yet).

I've only tried two other brands of Salvia, but I've found that Special Salvia was by far stronger than the other two (one of which cost me almost twice as much).

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: TurricaN]
    #9164572 - 10/31/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

it could be you don't experience it, many of my friends and i just get the super stoned feeling, yet no real 'Breakthroughs' and we've seen people have heavy trips from the same exact stuff, it just doesnt effect everything i guess.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Rbz]
    #9165091 - 10/31/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

from what i've heard everybody can breakthrough, its just harder for others.  I don't know for sure though

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9165101 - 10/31/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, i don't know, ive literally smoked like 2grams for approx 45minutes straight with a friend, got a really stoned feeling and giggly, well basically plain stupid for a while yet nothing more then that. so i think if i were to breakthrough, it shouldve happend then

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Rbz]
    #9165144 - 10/31/08 03:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what strength did you smoke?

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9165180 - 10/31/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

um i believe 40x, but it was from the purple sticky salvia company or whatever, so it probably wasnt really 40x.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Rbz]
    #9165226 - 10/31/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, if its the same as I got its really only 10x.  the 40x says like 160atomiX or something like that.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9165701 - 10/31/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

redgreenvines, why ditch the torch lighter?  I thought this was the best to use?  Also, how much of an amount should 1 bowl be?  If you have a gram, do you split it into 1/4 or something?  Thanks again.  I just recently bought 15 grams of dried leaf and a gram of 15x extract for mazatec gardens, hopefully its decent quality.  Also, one more question for anybody that knows.  How well of an effect can you get from just smoking the dried leaves?  Thanks.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9166217 - 10/31/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i smoke the dried leaves often and like it
there is more control
it's a nice smoke
but mild
15x from mazatec gardens 1/20th of a gram taken in a single inhallation should do the trick.
take it in fast deep and hold.


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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9170038 - 11/01/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

well I just bought a small water pipe/bong so I will see if this works any better.  I'm not very tolerant to the harsh smoke.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9179681 - 11/03/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so far I've only smoked the regular leaf so I can get used to smoking out of a bong so I don't waste my extract, and I'm getting the gravitational and body high, but nothing else.  My fiance on the other hand can trip balls with just leaf.  Pisses me off.

Edited by Beaverking (11/03/08 08:27 PM)

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9196460 - 11/06/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so I've just been smokig the leaf every other day or so to beat my tolerance down.  I bought 15 gr. of the leaf and have a ton left.  It seems I'm getting better effects from it.  Off the regular leaf I'm getting the same feelings as when I smoked the purple sticky 40atomiX.  Still no breakthrough unfortunately.  My fiance can take two hits off the leaf and start seeing and hearing things, pisses me off haha.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Beaverking]
    #9196953 - 11/06/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Beaverking said:
  Off the regular leaf I'm getting the same feelings as when I smoked the purple sticky 40atomiX.  Still no breakthrough unfortunately. 




"40x atomix" would be lucky to be a TRUE standardized 5x.

Personally, I use a well known brand that is standardized 20x, which is equivalent to the "80x atomix". 1/12g of that gets me into a true level 5, albeit one I can remember. I had a friend smoke 1/8g of the same stuff, he went DEEP, scared him so bad he'll never touch it again....(he's a black guy, and thought he was getting run over by a car, in slow motion!). He has never done a psychedelic before either....and probably won't ever again :sad: since he got "abused" a little....

Don't disrespect sally d, she can be a bitch.


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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: therapture]
    #9197553 - 11/06/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So what exactly does your dude being black have to do with anything?


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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: therapture]
    #9198353 - 11/06/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, the purple sticky 40atomiX is really 10x, but it isn't standardized, so somewhere between a real 5x-10x.  I realized that after I bought it and smoked the whole gram and didn't get more than the gravity feeling.

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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: Rbz]
    #9198363 - 11/06/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Purple sticky salvia is one of the strongest brands I know. Use a ice cooled bong.

I bought some 10x from them, and it was easily stronger than one of the vender here's 20 salvia (at the time)


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Re: First Time Salvia User?? [Re: MustNotBe]
    #9199199 - 11/06/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats what I used was there 10x, and didn't get much of anything.

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