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    #9152549 - 10/29/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

***Disclaimer***:  This thread is still on-going, please don't take the information listed in this as a "Tek", as there is a lot of information in this that should not be followed.  Once it is complete, I will post a detailed log of the build.  Thanks!

Alright...*cracks knuckles*

This room will be held within a condemned house, largely the walls are all un-insulted leaving the studs and framework of the house exposed, it is COVERED with dust, cobwebs, rat & mice feces, etc.  And the goal is to turn a 6.5 W x 7.5 L x 8 H foot area into a room that will hold  1 or 2 martha FC's, a work table, shelving to hold jars while spawning, and a cabinet unit large enough to hold most of or all supplies.

*UPDATE* Here is a link to the post with the pictures:  Pictures Of The Room Right Here
**UPDATE #2** 12/04/08 Some pictures of the progress: Hidden Door, Insulation, Etc.
**UPDATE #3** 12/07/08 Some pictures of the progress: Drywall, vinyl flooring, beginning plastic.
**UPDATE #4** 12/08/08 Some pictures of the progress: Shelving, Zipper entrance.
**UPDATE #5** 12/15/08 Some pictures of the progress: Interchange chamber, lighting, heater.
**UPDATE #6** 01/26/09 Some pictures of the dryer: Standing modular drying unit.
**UPDATE #7** 02/05/09 Some pictures of the green house: Green house, part 1
**UPDATE #8** 02/13/09 Newer pictures of the green house: Green house, part 2
**UPDATE #9** 02/19/09 Video of the Greenhouses complete: Green house, part 3


Now, currently how I'm planning construction goes as follows:

Insulate and dry-wall the room, use plastic to line the walls and ceiling(what mil should I use?).  And then comes question # 1...

Half of the floor is hard-wood flooring(old, shrunken, don't want exposed at all, and the other half is concrete.  What I'm curious about is how should I go above lining the floor that isn't going to be as annoying and simply lining it with plastic?  If I should, what thickness or type that I can walk on without puncturing?  I know exposing this hard wood, or really any part of the rest of the house will make for an un-sterile work area, so I plan to basically have it completely sealed from the rest of it.  I'd like to have a plastic zipper entry, that opens to a small standing space where I could then put on some gloves and other clothing (sleeves, hair net, surgical mask) and then from that standing space zipper into the whole room.

How might the concrete flooring affect me being able to control the temperature in this room?  Should I go through the effort of covering it with another material?

Since this project involves building a sterile sanctuary inside of a (by winter) damp, cold, wooden, dust filled nasty place...  what methods of air exchange in this room do I need to consider?

I want to make the whole room a positive pressure environment considering air exchange, how should I filter it?  What kind of CFM rates for a blower, etc.  Should I have stages of filtering for it, since the house is filled with dust, and expensive fine filter on the outside would be a waste, yet... should I consider making the entire room HEPA'd?  So many questions, maybe I should start with this and as other stuff arises through construction I'll post more.  I'd like to have this room completely done within 1 month.

EDIT: I later decided against the filter/fan glovebox and instead constructed a still-air one.

Also, just to add I don't plan on using a laminar hood, just a glovebox with a hepa filter and a computer fan for inoculations and as my specific sterile work space... a la HippeChick:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/139980/imgpl/3/imgpp/10/folder/Glovebox


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9152679 - 10/29/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever watched the TV show Dexter?

Same premise, just make it a bit more permament, chuck a HEPA in, and if possible have a interchange room where you can change out of your clothes/wash hands etc so you don't bring any contaminants in on your person.


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    #9153120 - 10/29/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: nastea]
    #9153133 - 10/29/08 07:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Condemned house? Doesn't sound safe. Why was it condemned? Was it structural defect, toxins, black mold?? This doesn't seem like a good idea no offense. Especially when people see you entering a condemned house (unless you own it) with boxes of materials or just walking in an out of a condemned house at any given point. Do you plan on using a generator for 24/7 power? And it a dirty place like this you should plan on getting a HEPA filter in my opinion for a VERY large room. You may inoculate in the glovebox but what is going to keep the air clean in your marthas? I think we need a lot more information about the building itself and why it is condemned. You may be wasting your time/money.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9153145 - 10/29/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright...*cracks knuckles*

One of my first posts here on the shroomery was asking for help to design an underground shroom room.  Here:

Help Me Build This...Underground Shroom Room +PICS (Pics have lost their host, so sorry that you can't see, it was an underground bomb shelter)

Now sadly that project had to fall through due some personal life stuff, and while the construction and progress was being made, it had to cease.

Now my attention has been switched to a new location, and some different challenges have arisen that I'd like all your input on.

The new shroom room will be held within a condemned house, largely the walls are all un-insulted leaving the studs and framework of the house exposed, it is COVERED with dust, cobwebs, rat & mice feces, etc.  And the goal is to turn a 6.5 W x 7.5 L x 8 H foot area into a shroom room that will hold  1 or 2 martha FC's, a work table, shelving to hold jars while spawning, and a cabinet unit large enough to hold most of or all supplies.



Now, currently how I'm planning construction goes as follows:

Insulate and dry-wall the room, use plastic to line the walls and ceiling(what mil should I use?).  And then comes question # 1...

Half of the floor is hard-wood flooring(old, shrunken, don't want exposed at all, and the other half is concrete.  What I'm curious about is how should I go above lining the floor that isn't going to be as annoying and simply lining it with plastic?  If I should, what thickness or type that I can walk on without puncturing?  I know exposing this hard wood, or really any part of the rest of the house will make for an un-sterile work area, so I plan to basically have it completely sealed from the rest of it.  I'd like to have a plastic zipper entry, that opens to a small standing space where I could then put on some gloves and other clothing (sleeves, hair net, surgical mask) and then from that standing space zipper into the whole room.

How might the concrete flooring affect me being able to control the temperature in this room?  Should I go through the effort of covering it with another material?

Since this project involves building a sterile sanctuary inside of a (by winter) damp, cold, wooden, dust filled nasty place...  what methods of air exchange in this room do I need to consider?

I want to make the whole room a positive pressure environment considering air exchange, how should I filter it?  What kind of CFM rates for a blower, etc.  Should I have stages of filtering for it, since the house is filled with dust, and expensive fine filter on the outside would be a waste, yet... should I consider making the entire room HEPA'd?  So many questions, maybe I should start with this and as other stuff arises through construction I'll post more.  I'd like to have this room completely done within 1 month.

Also, just to add I don't plan on using a laminar hood, just a glovebox with a hepa filter and a computer fan for inoculations and as my specific sterile work space... a la HippeChick:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/139980/imgpl/3/imgpp/10/folder/Glovebox




Since you have the ability to create a perfect environment, from what I have read R19 for the walls and R30 for the ceiling. You also want the room to be airtight. 2-4mil plastic should do as a barrier for moisture. Before adding any insulation you want to close all cracks and everything needs to be sealed.

Your going to need plenty of fresh air, so you need to duct in air that can be highly filtered with HEPA filters.  Air also needs to be cooled or heated properly to maintain your temperature. There is alot involved.

Check this out:

http://www.sfc.ucdavis.edu/library/pdf/842.pdf


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9153154 - 10/29/08 07:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't own it and you can get in, so can kids looking for a place to fuck, drink, take drugs, whatever, homeless people and others.

I think the most important thing you shouls have is a hell of a big padlock.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Nibin]
    #9153167 - 10/29/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the most important thing you shoul[d] have is a hell of a big padlock.




For sure, people will wander in there as well. Hell if I saw a setup like like I would take everything. What can you do call the cops? This just screams trouble, be careful.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9153178 - 10/29/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't own it, I don't think it's a good idea.  Cops could show up at any moment, or investigate it later when you're not there and set up a sting and then you're fucked.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: juju]
    #9153290 - 10/29/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Here are a couple of my ideas, apologize for the poor quality, I made it into a jpeg and somehow it got messed up when I uploaded it. Open it in a seperate window, it gets messed up when you try to expand the thumb.

The room would probably be underground with concrete walls, but it would have a steel frame(regardless if it was above or underground) and if it was above ground Id use paperless fiberglass drywall.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153333 - 10/29/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what are those fruiting chambers supposed to be/have inside in your scheme there MisterMuscaria? Looks interesting to say the least! What more can you tell us of your plans to conquer.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: sandman420]
    #9153338 - 10/29/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Seeing as I dont have the room yet; It depends on what sorts of spores and cultures I have at the time, but Id like to grow all sorts of mushrooms in there.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153402 - 10/29/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: jboodradle]
    #9153416 - 10/29/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.




I planning to build this structure myself on my own property. Are you talking to me or the OP?


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: sandman420]
    #9153422 - 10/29/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

pics dont work shroomzey


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153476 - 10/29/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.




I planning to build this structure myself on my own property. Are you talking to me or the OP?




I think he was talking to the OP . That's what happens when you thread-jack,lol;)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: HippieChick]
    #9154362 - 10/29/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Without dishing out too many details, the security of this condemned house is secure, I own it, and it is within very close proximity to my living house.  So much so that it has naturally for quite a few years has been used purely for storage. 

And again, without dishing out too much information the house was half-built a long time ago.  The framework, roof, siding, and beginning electrical had started in the house yet it was unfinished.  While unfinished people lived inside of this house (before I ever owned this land) and the local government discovered this, the house for some unknown reasons was then labeled as condemned as it was un-fit for living, and the utilities to this house were shut off.  It was not condemned for structural integrity, or any serious reasons, I'm assuming though to prevent inhabitants until it was brought up to code.

Now, since it is within close proximity think of it basically as a giant, old, wooden storage shed.  Electrical supply, water, etc. is easily supplied. 

Also to add, outside of this room's entrance is a giant work area(within the house), so any work involved that doesn't need to be relatively sterile, that involves any grains/manure/straw prior to pasteurization can be done there, and not in the room. FYI.

*edit* And besides, don't worry about the security of said room/place.  I have that fully under control, and besides I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught if I'm legally growing edible mushrooms, correct?  :wink:  I'm just asking for advice on turning this space into a good growing workspace.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9154503 - 10/29/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Without dishing out too many details, the security of this condemned house is secure, I own it, and it is within very close proximity to my living house.  So much so that it has naturally for quite a few years has been used purely for storage. 

And again, without dishing out too much information the house was half-built a long time ago.  The framework, roof, siding, and beginning electrical had started in the house yet it was unfinished.  While unfinished people lived inside of this house (before I ever owned this land) and the local government discovered this, the house for some unknown reasons was then labeled as condemned as it was un-fit for living, and the utilities to this house were shut off.  It was not condemned for structural integrity, or any serious reasons, I'm assuming though to prevent inhabitants until it was brought up to code.

Now, since it is within close proximity think of it basically as a giant, old, wooden storage shed.  Electrical supply, water, etc. is easily supplied. 

Also to add, outside of this room's entrance is a giant work area(within the house), so any work involved that doesn't need to be relatively sterile, that involves any grains/manure/straw prior to pasteurization can be done there, and not in the room. FYI.




SWEET. so you have your own personal labspace. As long as you are the locals don't sneak in for quickies it sound ideal.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Nibin]
    #9155063 - 10/29/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ah I was just worrying if this was the stereotypical condemned home that for some reason had serious structural defects or some sort of health hazard. Well as long as it is secure go for it, but I would still be EXTRA careful, don't want the government sniffing around wondering what the old condemned house is up to. Keep us updated with pics :smile:


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9155189 - 10/29/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, I actually had to humble together an old camera phone to take these, so...sorry the quality isn't amazing... I'll explain it pic by pic:




This is looking through the entrance from the work shop into the mushroom room.


This is standing in the entrance/door-way and looking at the right corner.


This is standing near the entrance/door-way looking at the left corner.


This is then looking down at the floor and the left corner, now you can see how almost half of the room has this old hard-wood flooring...


This is looking at the floor and the right corner, you can see the concrete... and the old wood and how the framework is exposed.  Thankful there is some black paper up that helps to block most light from seeping through the siding but I'll still have to seal most of it before I insulate it.


Notice how the ceiling is completely open up to the rest of the house, I'm assuming I might have to mount a blower above this framing, and then have it push the air down into the room.  But, all the air it would be sucking in is a ton of dust from the inside of this place.  Which brings me to...


If you'll notice in this picture, this is having the camera pushed up near the ceiling supports, and towards where the root slides down over the wall, now its possible to knock out a wooden piece and then pull the air in directly from outside.  I would have to use some methods to not make it look like there is a vent entrance... but it may be better than pulling the air in from inside.  Or maybe not?  Maybe pulling from outside would be less, I don't know.  Depends what will be functional with filter the air flow into this thing.  What is also cool is that where that vent entrance would be, there is something(that I'm not gonna say) that makes a decent amount of noise constantly to mask the sound of a blower or something.

So, if someone was able to walk by the rear of this house, hopefully it would be enough to mask any noise... I'm not 100 positive, but I would hope so.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9155198 - 10/29/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Id say treat that wood. It looks like it could be a mold haven.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9155250 - 10/29/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Turpentine is great for treating wood for fungi, it will kill everything and keep it dead.

As long as you don't mind the stink get out a paintbrush and slap it on everywhere wooden.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9155274 - 10/29/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I still think this is a bad idea.  For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it.  Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go.  Jusy my thoughts though.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: fuckingbrutal]
    #9155341 - 10/29/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I still think this is a bad idea.  For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it.  Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go.  Jusy my thoughts though.




But this is on his property, it's his. He doesn't need to rent anything or worry about landlords, just walk over to the building.

So it costs some money? He could cultivate a load of Oysters and Shiitake and become a small, local scale commercial grower if he wanted to if he has a proper space like that to work in.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: fuckingbrutal]
    #9155474 - 10/29/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I still think this is a bad idea.  For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it.  Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go.  Jusy my thoughts though.




The materials that it is going to take to sterilize this space is really a drop in the bucket.  Insulation, dry-wall, and sheets of plastic.  Maybe the location of this house doesn't appear right to you, for privacy reasons I'm not going to explain how, but building this room in this house is really the best place I could ask for.  Its the most private, and the most non-noticeable, also the easiest to hide.

And like I said, no reason to be worried if I'm growing edibles, silly.  =)

What really is going to cost me money is the filtering and making it a positive pressure environment, that's my largest concern.  But the upside is I'm not trying to filter and give FAE to 2,000 cubic feet of air, it's only a little under 400 cubic feet of space.

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Turpentine is great for treating wood for fungi, it will kill everything and keep it dead.

As long as you don't mind the stink get out a paintbrush and slap it on everywhere wooden.




Would treating the wood really be worth-while?

Consider this: if I insulate, dry-wall, seal it, then use plastic to cover the entire room with a small interchange entrance, that would seal the room.

Now, why treat the wood that I'm gonna cover up with insulation/drywall and plastic?  And I sure as hell can't treat all the exposed wood in the house(that's a lot).  But I still need FAE in the room, so I'm gonna have to depend on some type of venting system with filtering involved, correct?


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9155491 - 10/29/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Don't you think it's gonna look suspicious tho, when you're going into an abandoned house every day for hours at a time? Yea, you own it - but still.. They're gonna kno nobody can live in there, so it would raise questions about what exactly you're doing in a run-down place like that..


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    #9155495 - 10/29/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Actually if you could make it look like you were doing work on the house, that wouldn't look bad.. Have like a pickup out front w/ ladders, bring tools inside, etc.. hahah


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: J3illy]
    #9155781 - 10/29/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssttttt me.

Security and privacy is not an issue, for reasons that I don't have to explain for my own privacy, I have that fully under control, you don't have to worry about that.

You might have noticed earlier I mentioned right outside of this room, is a work shop, FULL OF TOOLS, MATERIALS, AND THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS USED FOR STORAGE.  There is no reason for it to be suspicious, because I work in it all the time.

I don't need input regarding security, I need input regarding making it a habitable environment for growing mushrooms.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9155980 - 10/29/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil. basicly create a plastic room ceiling and all. that area looks awful nasty for this hobby. you could spend money and make it into a small finished room .


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9155981 - 10/29/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

save yourself a lot of work, home depot sells a plastic panel
that will keep things out, just screw them in place, caulk the
seams with polyurethane caulk and cleaning is as easy as wiping
with bleach, the sheets are 4x8 just like playwood, I do
reccomend putting up sheetrock for added support and applying
caulk as an adhesive for the panels, cover the walls and
ceiling.


for the floor, if you can take up the wood, do so, if there;s
drt under it throw down more concrete, pick up a floor
leveling compound like scofield or ardex and the primer that
goes with it, get a grinder and diamond blade, to scuff the
surface and open up the cracks, apply the floor leveling
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: seven]
    #9155989 - 10/29/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil.




too expensive when you consider it will need to be replaced
every year or so, a little more up front can give a lifetime
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    #9156007 - 10/29/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

hahahaha, everyone is fuckin freaking out for you man...  i say good work, and keep on with the gung-ho-edness...  To answer your question, yes, you are going to need some type of ventilation system with a fan set up to pull air in through some sort of hepa filter set up.  I would think that your best bet would be to pull it from outside, as the air is much fresher (more oxygen...) so better FAE.  Just punch a hole in the wall, run some ducting to a fan with some hepa filters, have it all on the inside, then on the outside it'll just look like there's a hole in the wall.  Cover it with one of those little things they have for dryer ducts, you'll be golden.  You said it needs to look like there's no vent there, i can't really think of any other way to cover it up while still being able to get an ample amount of air in.  maybe something having to do with tyvek (or some other breathable prefilter type thing) to go over it to hide it.

The good thing about this method also, depending on where you live and the temps of outside, you can regulate the temps in your grow room by setting up your ventilation system on a timer that lets in more warm air during the day and much less air at night if it needs to warmer, or vice versa if it needs to be cooler.... basically use that to regulate your temps, that way you won't need to spend money on heaters and such.


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    #9156030 - 10/29/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Definatly treat the wood. then put up gyprock walls, seal the gyprock and line with plastic??

just an idea.

If your planning on using a flowhood and a glovebox. I see no need to hepa filter the entire room which would require extremly large hepa filter and blowers.
As long as your rooms are kept sanitised it will be ok. Fruiting conditions dont need to sterile anyway.

Get the rooms treats, walled and upto scratch and it will be a great grow area.


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    #9156084 - 10/29/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The idea w/ those interlocking plastic pieces is the best 1.. That way, you're fully enclosing the entire room.. I have something kinda similar for the floor in my room - it's interlocking pieces that look like parquet..


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    #9157838 - 10/30/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

clean that room up, finish it with drywall and maybe some tiles, forget all the plastic shit and marthas, put up big shelves for a whole bunch of monotubs with a big ass light in the middle of the room on a timer

use your straw and hpoo in your bigass monos and get some kinda big bin or a dead freezer with a heater in there to use as an incubator


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    #9158094 - 10/30/08 06:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

One way to deal with the floor is lay 1/4 inch or thinner sheet material with construction adhesive.  Masonite, hardboard, door skin, luan, something like that. Then cover with vinyl flooring. This method covers and seals up uneven flooring quite nicely.

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    #9158252 - 10/30/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil.




too expensive when you consider it will need to be replaced
every year or so, a little more up front can give a lifetime
investment and could easily be converted to a bathroom or what
ever later


i agree. i would rather see him finish the area then ghetto plastic everything.


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    #9175738 - 11/03/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, so far with everything in consideration I just wanted to say THANK YOU for your input thus far.  I've been spending a lot of time getting prices, seeing what materials/resources are easily afforded to me, and what methods would suit my situation.

This is what I've got so far, feel free to criticize or give input as I'll be the one to judge if it matters or not:

I've decided to line the exposed walls with 4-6 mil plastic and have it stapled into places to help aid in any moisture/exposure reaching the insulation.  I'm not going to treat the wood because I'm basically going to be sealing it with plastic, insulation, dry-wall, sealant, and then the final layer of plastic(or maybe plastic board).
I'm not going to cheap out on insulation, as I realize this isn't a home, and because it is so exposed insulation is really going to save me money in the long run keeping the temperature controlled.

Insulation should run me anywhere from 110-140$
Dry-wall - 30$, if I go green board (moisture/mold resistant) it will be 60$.  Because the inside layer of plastic is going to be fully sealed, I'm not sure if I should go with green board...thoughts?  Having that outside layer of plastic lining the walls is a cheap semi-solution to outside moisture getting in.

Plastic sheeting 4-6 mil I can get for free, same as a plastic inter-change room, given from a haz-mat clean up / containment business.

Gorilla tape to seal the seams.
A large insulated door to close up the entrance, with the plastic inter-change chamber entrance right there as you open it up.

The floor I'm still slightly unsure what to do, I can't rip up the wood flooring, so I have a feeling I'm going to lay down some type of sheeting to cover the wood, and the cracks in the concrete.  And then just lay a thick layer of plastic that would take some effort to actually puncture.  What mil is that?  Not sure, I need to check thicknesses.

Now, my biggest issue, and the one I was hoping to get the most input from you guys now...

TEMPERATURE/ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL:

Honestly this is the part of the project that I've been most excited to figure out/construct.

Check it:

Now, supposing that I'm able to have 3 martha's set ups within this room, each:

17 x 27 x 63 inches, that hold 18.6 cubic feet of air.  Cost: 20 bucks each.

Each would be independently humidified by cool-mists (with three going, maybe I should build a bulk humidifier?)

Now, via The Mushroom Cultivator it says maximum air exchanges per hour are 2-3.  Has this # changed at all or is 1-3 air exchanges per hour still prime conditions for a FC set-up like this?  Obviously I'm not growing cakes and fanning these babies, lol.

If so, then the air exchange rate that I'll need will be around 2.5 for the given cubic feet of space.  And with 3 martha set-ups like so that should be less than 60 cubic feet of air.

math = 2.5 x 60 cubic feet
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          60 min

= 2.5 CFM requirements.

NOW, since the cool mists will be supplying the FAE and Humidity, that CFM requirement is really only needed for the environment(the sealed room) so the venting power/costs needed for this room are VASTLY lower than I guestimated.  If I have 2.5 CFM air flow in the room that is the minimum to keep the marthas and the room from filling up with co2.

I looked at an attic fan at home depot for 50$ with 1540 CFM power, lol.  After doing all the math that would be overkill.

Since I will at times be in this room I think the CFM requirements for this 390 cubic feet of air space (As it is empty, not full of stuff) should obviously be higher than 2.5, maybe double it?  5 CFM?

With a fan of such low power I'm thinking it would then be worth it to actually pre-filter and then HEPA filter the entire room.  Which brings me to....

THE MIXING BOX:

***EDIT***WARNING*** PLEASE DISREGARD THIS STUPID DESIGN, I'M LEAVING THIS HERE FOR MEMORY SAKE BUT REALIZE THIS DESIGN IS VERY POOR.


By building a mixing box I can recirculate the air and help keep the heating/cooling costs lower, as well as control how much Fresh outside air actually enters the room.  If I can have some type of vent valve/gate to control the air intake then I can have full control of how much is recirculated and how much is fresh air, and would make it much easier to slowly work in fresh air rather than blow in a bunch and shock the heating/cooling.

Now, if the CFM demand is pretty low, and it might be feasible to HEPA the actual venting system to this room, maybe I should place the recirculation vent(look at the picture) in front of the HEPA filters rather than behind them, that way the room would be constantly recirculating and filtering out contaminants.  (Even though I would be entering through a plastic interchange-chamber stuff would still follow me in, as well as whatever is on me.)  But, that means the recirculation vent would expose the room to that cavity of air that wouldn't be filtered.  So, how might I fix this problem without having 2 filters in this mixing box?

I also realized that putting some insulation around this mixing box will help with keeping the temperature controlled, since I imagined it would be mounted above the room, but I may actually just drop it into the room if its not going to be so huge.  That way I can change out filters, etc, from within the room without having to climb up into the rafters to get access to it.

Annnnnddd.... I'm wondering what kind of fan would be best suited for this job... and axial fan (turbine style) or a squirrel cage fan kind, or also know as centrifugal fans.

And since the CFM demands are only 2.5 for the FC's, how much output do you think I should use for the whole room?  I suggested doubling it to 5, since I don't know that much about HVAC in general, I wonder how much airflow that is for a 390 cubic feet of space...


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room *UPDATED W/ PICS [Re: shroomzey]
    #9367149 - 12/04/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

**UPDATE**

Well it has been some time since I last posted on this and I wanted to give you all an update on the progress.  Though my plans were for it to already be completely done, some things were postponed and some areas of the design required more time and thought, namely the mixing box.

The entrance/door was done a few weeks ago but I just started getting the insulation in which should be done mostly tonight, and I'll hopefully have the drywall/plastic/shelving up within this week.
I've been ripping out the walls in a bathroom in the house and simultaneously wiring/insulating/drywall both of the projects.  Which is why this has been taking longer as my free-time from work and energy has been short.

Any who, onto the goodies:

This is the bare face of the hidden door that I fabricated.  If you'd like to see the entrance, look at the other pic update I posted earlier in this thread.  It sits on 3 heavy duty hinges and I put plenty of 2x4 and metal supports within it so that it doesn't give at all, it easily supports 200+ pounds on the very end edge of the door, and again easily supports the shelving and weight on it which you'll see below.  Notice the small thin black latch that protrudes from a slice in the drywall, easily hidden.


This is just an inside view from the room with the door open, as you can see the support design I choose to use, and the metal supports in the inside 90 degree angles of the frame.  Again notice the other end of the black latch, it is a heavy door "gate" latch turned sideways which is quite strong and even by itself allows for no shake in the door.  Also: the messy work shop.  =D



The door with the shelving just mounted.



This is the door with a bunch of paint/plaster supplies on and around it, at the bottom of the door are a couple of crates which hold tools and can easily be slid out of the way of the door to allow for it to swing open.



Same door, looking down at the ground so you can see a bit more.  My work shop is still pretty messy and needs to be organized.  Which I'll do once I'm done with the room but for now this hides the progress well enough.



This is with the door open. I specialized the hinge design so that it doesn't swing exactly like a normal door, the pivot point is more "inside" of the door so that the drywall on the door actually sits behind the ply-wood on the tool wall.  This way there are no exposed pins on the hinges, no gaps as it looks very clean and flush, it swings better, and allows for more clearance.  It is a very wide door so what looks like a small space to walk through is just enough to walk into it comfortably.



This is the inside, the room is about 80% insulated.  R-13 on the walls (as the 2x4's aren't as deep as todays standard of 2x4's, they're actually a little fatter and not as deep) which is 3 1/2 inches wide.

Due to cost issues, I'm also going to be putting up R-13 on the ceiling, I wish I could go bigger but as of right now I can't.  Something is better than nothing, since I can gain access to the top of this room even after it has been dry-walled, it won't be too hard when I want to upgrade.



There is my mini-fridge sitting there... waiting to be used, my still air glove-box, and some supplies under that.  Also some pre-filters for the mixing box once I have that built.  I'll post pictures of the mixing box as I put it together since I believe there is a huge lack of any pictorials on the net for creating a mixing box.  (or at least I couldn't fine one...) =(



The door framing, again.  With some insulation in it so you can see.  And the messy work shop... again.



The heavy duty gate latch, turned side ways.



And this is the other side of the latch.  I cut a space into the back of the metal shelving so it hides flush with the under-side.  You really have to reach down and under the shelving to reach it, and with some taller items on the lower shelf... you can't even see it if you were bent down and looking for it.


Well, thanks for following this.  I'm hoping it will inspire more people to take on such projects for themselves.  Currently this whole thing is slated to be done by New Years... I'm hoping.  That is is time allows it.  I'll continue to post as the whole project endures.  Any questions, suggestions, and criticism is appreciated!  =)

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    #9367184 - 12/04/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I like the idea of the hidden door w/ the camoflauge supplies right on it.  :thumbup:


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    #9372126 - 12/05/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I like the idea of the hidden door w/ the camoflauge supplies right on it.  :thumbup:




Yeah and the great advantage of having the room built off of a workshop is any traffic or time spent inside is then just considered to be time spent on crafts or home improvements(which I'm doing all the time anyways) and even if someone pokes their head inside... they've got nothing to see.  =)


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    #9372293 - 12/05/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9372350 - 12/05/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

wow the camouflage door is awesome. are you considering a martha?


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    #9372560 - 12/05/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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wow the camouflage door is awesome. are you considering a martha?




Well I'm planning on running three martha's on one side of the room, yes.  But for the first run with this room I'm gonna fruit some monotubs.  =)


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    #9386151 - 12/07/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

** UPDATE **

Hey there again, just giving some picture updates now, I've got the drywall up, most of the plastic up, some vinyl sheeting on the floor, and the shelving is like 20% done.

I gotta run right now but I'll give some more details later.






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    #9386162 - 12/07/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:headbanger: hell yeah. looking good


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    #9386217 - 12/07/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Clandestine as hell...you could survive the holocaust with that thing.  Or in this case I guess, the mushocaust.  Can't wait to see your grows once underway.


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    #9386334 - 12/07/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9386358 - 12/07/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have a friend who goes to this extent creating a growing room. all I have to say is..... monotubs. stack em 5 tall. multiply those stacks by 20 = 100 monotubs capable of yielding you 400 dry ounces total per crop. just my personal 1/50th dollar.


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    #9386478 - 12/07/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9390501 - 12/08/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah viewing the first pics a while back of dirty flooring boards and nasty studs\rafters ect- You really have done some nice work! it looks very clean man! you are skilled.


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    #9391375 - 12/08/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

looks good! what did you end up doing to the floor?  Did you put the vinyl directly on the existing surface?


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    #9391499 - 12/08/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Impressive. I am excited to see it finished.

If I were going to put that much time and effort into a secret grow room, I would fill it full of marijuana. A much more profitable crop (unless you live in California but even still). Just saying since I'm assuming you are planning to make money since nobody needs that many shrooms to themselves. :wink:


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    #9391740 - 12/08/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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looks good! what did you end up doing to the floor?  Did you put the vinyl directly on the existing surface?




Yeah I did, which I now realize was a stupid idea.
I've never done too much with flooring, and though I've messed around with actually laying vinyl done in a home, I seemed to have forgot how brittle it can be.  Some of the cracks in the concrete have a few jagged edges coming up, and I can tell that in at-least 5-6 months it will tear through. now I can gorilla tape that, which is fine, but Prisoner #1 had it right.

I should have ground those edges down... I figured the vinyl was tough enough to just roll over it, nope.

Good thing its cheap!  And the way the room is set up, ripping the floor up and putting a new one down won't be hard or costly.  This isn't a permanent project so, I'm not too worried.  =)


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    #9393218 - 12/08/08 04:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

** UPDATE **

Just put up the ceiling plastic, finished half the shelving, and got the first zipper up.  Check it:






I ran out of gorilla tape so I still have to go over any punctures or openings in the plastic seals and make sure everything is good.

Next step: Air Return Mixing Box, Work Table, More Shelving, Interchange Room/shelving, and then I gotta plumb in a garden hose (can you say,"Auto-Refill Bulk Humidifier?"), and get the electrical demands straightened out.

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    #9393334 - 12/08/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

what are you going to use as a humidifier? im thinking a 50 gallon bucket with a ultrasonic on a bouy will be sufficient for a couple of marthas.

the was a good post by agar i think im going to go find it.


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    #9393366 - 12/08/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #9393413 - 12/08/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

http://concealme.com/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html cant find the exact post, but I'm sure this link gives you an idea what  I'm thinking


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    #9397276 - 12/09/08 02:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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http://concealme.com/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html cant find the exact post, but I'm sure this link gives you an idea what  I'm thinking




Yup,

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7555252

that tek was based on Agar's bulk humidifier tek.

And yes I plan on running 2-3 martha's, with some monotubs in there I'm sure =)


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    #9397303 - 12/09/08 02:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit - SUCH a change from when you originally posted the plans a month ago!  How's the ventilation system coming along?


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    #9397340 - 12/09/08 02:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Holy shit - SUCH a change from when you originally posted the plans a month ago!  How's the ventilation system coming along?




Well the plans for the air return mixing box are almost complete, I'm waiting on some price quotes for a centrifugal fan, and I'm still trying to find a good variable speed fan controller, and its just a matter of time though...

http://www.filtera-b2b.com/businessfilters/hepa.htm#99.99woodhi

From there you can get a 99.99% 8x8x6 HEPA for 57.77, and that includes shipping.

Just thought I'd spread the wealth, =)

**EDIT**

When the time comes to build the box, I'm gonna post pics here and create a separate "tek" for it.. its not like I have the experience to judge it as a tek, but I figure it will still be helpful information for people.  I've learned A LOT just researching it, and I haven't even built it yet.


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    #9397355 - 12/09/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

SHROOMZEY:

I've got a small secondary room/area in my basement and had given thought to making a "mush-room" myself.  Thankfully, my family is fine with this habit.  That being so, I don't have a need for the fancy "hidden door," etc.


Without all that, is it as hard as it sounds to do?  Or is it surprisingly easier than you'd think?


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    #9397389 - 12/09/08 02:45 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I have a friend who goes to this extent creating a growing room. all I have to say is..... monotubs. stack em 5 tall. multiply those stacks by 20 = 100 monotubs capable of yielding you 400 dry ounces total per crop. just my personal 1/50th dollar.



Yeah, but how on Earth are you ever going to dry them?? That'd be more than 20 dried pounds or 200 pounds of fresh shrooms! :wow:
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    #9397409 - 12/09/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well, unless you're like me and just wanting to keep a small area out of the way dedicated to it, by the time you're worried about a "grow room," you're already considering "industrializing" things.  ^_^


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    #9397424 - 12/09/08 02:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I am just saying for that you'll also need to be planning for a space to dry the shrooms at. I mean, it's like turning a half cow into beef jerky!


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    #9397426 - 12/09/08 02:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, unless you're like me and just wanting to keep a small area out of the way dedicated to it, by the time you're worried about a "grow room," you're already considering "industrializing" things.  ^_^




Quite honestly, it is very easy to do.

Once I'm done with everything I'm going to create a post outlining the entire process with costs included.  I'm going a little over the top, I don't really need a 99.99 HEPA, or a return mixer box, or a completely sealed room.  But, it sure as hell makes things a lot easier.  And I'm all for automation.  You just gotta use your imagination and put together everything you want to use the space for, and then focus on getting it done, thats all.  =)


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    #9397585 - 12/09/08 04:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

damn nice grow room dude. keep that shit on the DL. I would be paranoid posting this much info on the shroomery. Be cautious on who you tell your growing. Keep an open eye and watch what items you throw away in your trash which can lead to evidence. Just play it smart, be extra cautious. GoodLuck, I look forward to seeing some grows here!! I think this will soon turn into the most popular thread. :thumbup:


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    #9397652 - 12/09/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:cop:'s always looking for the big fish to fry. i mostly just give advice on cultivating\fruiting mycelium in general here. i donno: people seem overly comfortable posting pics of their active projects. ive never posted a single "active" picture because i dont break laws. im thinking of doing some edable grow logs. seems as if posting alot of pics of ilegal activities is like makeing a public folder of evidence against yourself attached to your ip address! :shrug: i bet it is a little comforting to some: seeing members still active sence 01!  im sure the shroomery has been mentioned in many busts tho! what do they always ask? "where did you get it?" "how did you learn, who taught you?" im positive there are law enforcement members. :lol: i didnt see the no cops rule when i signed up! :wink:


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    #9398247 - 12/09/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Shroomzey, I have to give you props for that room. This is something I would do too if I had my own home (since I would be able to demolish what I want).
Are you going to pick up cameras as well?

I would seal the joints of the dry wall our you will get all the outside shit you don't want. Mud and tape is fairly cheap and a child can fill the gaps and smooth it off so its simple.

I would love to see your end result (canopy pics :wink:)


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    #9398716 - 12/09/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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damn nice grow room dude. keep that shit on the DL. I would be paranoid posting this much info on the shroomery. Be cautious on who you tell your growing. Keep an open eye and watch what items you throw away in your trash which can lead to evidence. Just play it smart, be extra cautious. GoodLuck, I look forward to seeing some grows here!! I think this will soon turn into the most popular thread. :thumbup:




You see thats the problem, you won't be seeing any "grows".  I won't be posting anything illegal.  I haven't done anything illegal, nor do I intend to.  =)

I appreciate the concern though.

The goal of this is just to make the information/inspiration more easily available.  If I can do this, anyone can.


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    #9431134 - 12/14/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Any news?


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    #9431231 - 12/14/08 04:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, I would like to see an update. I plan on doing something like this down the road one day. next house that I buy I will be looking for a spot inside for a room for growing.


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    #9433432 - 12/14/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

neat.  you'll love having a whole room for your projects.  i practically lived in my plastic-lined lab this summer.  just me, about seven little whirring motors, and 3 marthas.  and my transistor radio.  dont forget the tunes, just wire in the surround sound before you put the drywall up. 

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    #9438353 - 12/15/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

*** UPDATE ***

Alrighty, well the only things left to do is to create my work table, Put up some larger shelving on the other half of the room, and install the mixing box pretty much.

I don't think I'll be able to install the mixing box til sometime January so you'll have to be patient for that.

Anywho, just a few things done:

This is from outside looking at the interchange chamber.



This is from the outside looking into the interchange chamber.



This is from the inside looking into the interchange chamber.



That is a 48" shop light ballast with 2 6500k lights.



My mini fridge.



And a small space heater I just picked up that has a thermostat, and only for 20$!


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    #9441491 - 12/16/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

nice update. nice heater also. I need something like that.


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    #9441743 - 12/16/08 02:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

damn, that room has came a long way, good job:thumbup:

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    #9453444 - 12/17/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I'd throw this up just for anyone curious:


Sorry for the poor picture quality.

This is my G-Box, as I call it. :wink:

As you can see, from left to right....
Empty bag.. that shouldn't be there, self made alcohol lamp, 70% isopropyl alcohol, mini-spray bottle(I love this, got it for 50 cents, I'd rather have the alcohol bottle RR uses in his videos but this definitely suffices), a bag of latex gloves, some micro-pore tape on top of that, other alcohol/sanitizing containers, lysol, and what you can't see in the bottom corner is an empty box of oven bags.

Now I'd like to point out that I have these rubber gloves with a pre-made plastic arm covers/sleeves.  These are actually used for biohazard containments n such.  I have them rigged so that when I'm doing any work that doesn't require flame sterilizing, I just use as it.  If I need to flame sterilize then I will unscrew the clamps that hold them, and rubber band the sleeves to my arms and do it like so(keeping the flame out of the alcohol damp box).

Just FYI.


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    #9454002 - 12/18/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

dude that looks great good shit bro.  I bet ure going to inspire a lot of ppl.  Cant wait to c the finished product!:thumbup:


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    #9683222 - 01/26/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

****UPDATE*****

Alrighty, well it has been some time since I've updated anything regarding the progress of the room so here is a little something...

The air return mixing box ix still a work in progress, as is the fruiting chamber.  I've decided to create one large greenhouse rather than 3 martha greenhouses.  I'm also planning to make a bulk humidifier build... different than those previously posted.  The room now has a work bench, yet still lacks about half of the shelving still needed.  I'll post pictures later.  So, there is still a lot to come, hopefully much sooner than latter.


In the mean time...  here is a bulk dryer that I've created:



This whole thing was mostly made out of one 4 x 8 sheet of half inch plywood.  It stands 4' tall 22" wide, and 22" deep., and holds a furnace filter that slides in at the top, a 21"x21" box fan under that, and currently 4 screen racks under that.  It has the capacity to hold much more... I just don't need that much yet.

What I like most about this design, is that I can slide out all the racks, fan, and filter out of it.  And slide in wooden trays (I've yet to construct) so that it will look like a tool box while not in use.  You wouldn't want a huge thing like this sitting around willy nilly.




The front closes up with two boards, one to hold the fan and filter in, and the second to hold the racks in.  It also creates a plenum for the air to surge through, directly down through the racks.  And then out through the bottom(front and back)

I drilled some holds in the sides of the board, and the box so that I can simply insert nails into the holes to keep it on, and then simply pull the nails out to remove the board.  That way the board is low key and just looks like an unused piece of wood.

Thanks, I'll get back to you all with the project later!  =)


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    #9683287 - 01/26/09 03:32 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Very nice!  Looks like you've got some test subjects already : )


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    #9683334 - 01/26/09 03:41 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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In the mean time...  here is a bulk dryer that I've created:



That is bad ass shroomzey:thumbup:


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    #9683723 - 01/26/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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    #9683755 - 01/26/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

For some strange reason this reminds me of the old OverGrow days. but its one of the best threads ive seen on here. Hope all goes just as you want it. it sure is looking good so far.


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    #9684103 - 01/26/09 05:39 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

...now THIS... is some gangster shit! ...you just don't know how bad I want a room like that... ONE DAY! I will have it, but not now...

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Re: Shroomzey's Mush-Room =) *UPDATED W/ PICS [Re: shroomzey]
    #9685598 - 01/26/09 09:36 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Lookin' good!  :thumbup:


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    #9686052 - 01/26/09 10:32 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

that dryer takes the same exact concept i have. mine is just a set up and take down when needed deal though, i had a big roll of window screen i cut into squares and put wooden frames around, then stacked ontop of each other and put a box fan underneath it, and a spaceheater blowing heat above the fan. does your dry fine without any heat?


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    #9686124 - 01/26/09 10:43 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Freakin amazing, nice :smile:


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    #9686162 - 01/26/09 10:50 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

:eek:
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i remember reading this a long time ago before any pics were up at all of even the room and thought how cool it would be if you followed through with it


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #9686435 - 01/26/09 11:49 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

we use to have one just like that at work for drying our chanterelle leftovers, worked great.  its really nice to be able to stack mushrooms in the trays a few inches deep after a big harvest.  they shrink up so much after the first few hours that it doesnt really congest airflow. 
  american harvest/excaliber type dehydrator trays are too shallow.

you should consider moving the fan to the bottom with the air blowing up, and even a small ceramic heat under that.  the reason for this is that the hot air rises and takes the moisture up and out. when you add trays of freshly harvested fruits, you always want to put them on top of the existing trays.  so that the driest fruits are on the bottom closest to the fan.  this will insure that when you add 3 pounds of wet fungus to the dehydrator, the 2.5 lbs of evaporating water wont rehydrate your already dry/semi-dry fruits.  and it will help you keep track of whats what.  we were able to make  many pounds of cracker dry chanterelles in about 2 days like that.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Omnicracker]
    #9686526 - 01/27/09 12:09 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Nice!

You know, stupid me considering having it blow up, but.. without thinking about the heat decided blowing down would be better.  Thanks for the tips!  Just some common knowledge that can save a lot of time for other people.  =)  Much appreciated.  Good thing I still have room to change that up.


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    #9686538 - 01/27/09 12:12 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

:respect::bow2::bow2::bow2::congrats:


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    #9686562 - 01/27/09 12:21 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Thats just over the top man! Great job!


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    #9686566 - 01/27/09 12:22 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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    #9686599 - 01/27/09 12:31 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Wow thats amazing i cant wait to see it finished


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Herbie5075]
    #9686607 - 01/27/09 12:34 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

I'm considering compiling a LAB tek once I'm done with the project... and update it accordingly as experience affords me to make it better... or other could include great feedback as well.

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    #9687059 - 01/27/09 04:06 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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    #9687515 - 01/27/09 08:33 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Nice!

You know, stupid me considering having it blow up, but.. without thinking about the heat decided blowing down would be better.  Thanks for the tips!  Just some common knowledge that can save a lot of time for other people.  =)  Much appreciated.  Good thing I still have room to change that up.




So are you going to add heat to this aswell? You wouldnt even have to do anything different other than flip the side the fan is on so it blows upwards instead of down... then sit a spaceheater beside it blowing hot air into the bottom.:thumbup: Ive had this concept written down for a long time, just havent had to finish building it cause i havent had the need to use one that big yet. But...everyone has goals.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: xswaveyx]
    #9743329 - 02/05/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

****UPDATE*****

Alrighty, I'm finally grinning here as things are starting to pick up pace.  I have a lot of my mini-projects in the mail and being shipped to me now..

Until that time, here happens to be the beginning of the FC's:


Originally the plans were to stack the FC half of the room with 3 Martha type greenhouses that I would buy from Ebay... when I made those plans they were like 18$ + Shipping.  And if you do a ebay search of the 4-tier greenhouses they're now all like 50-60 bucks!!! Ridiculous.  So, I spent a little time looking around for some normal shelving that I could turn into a greenhouse and came across a couple from home depot that is 18" deep x 36" wide x 72" high, and has 5 shelves.

At first I figured I'd just take the top shelf off so that the top shelf could get more light... but once I got it up in my room I've decided to use all 5 shelves.

 

So here it is packed up before I unload the first one.



As I start to assemble it...



Both now up and in their respective corners, as you can see I have the top shelves on the ground because they would be too high compared to the rest of my shelving.  I originally placed my jar shelving in relation to the height of the ebay greenhouses.



See, if I were to use that top shelf I wouldn't be able to reach my jar shelving(since I would need head space above that top shelf if I was going to use it) Soooooooo.... I decided to wanted to use the 5th shelf.  Which means I'll have to reduce the head space of each shelf to accommodate.

 

So I set up a small block guide on my chop saw to cut eat plastic support 3 inches less than they originally were.  (I had to cut 32 of them)



See here, 3 inches less.  Originally the total height of the unit was 73 inches, and I needed it to be 61.  And I have 4 sets of shelf support, therefore if I lose 3 inches off each set I get a total of 12 and...


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SHAABAM!! 2 sexy 5 tier shelf units that will fit perfectly...



Now as you can see, I have some head space for that top 5th shelf.  I'll just have to make some custom supports for the top that slightly taper back along with the jar shelving and it should be good.  Besides I don't need a lot of head space up there, especially if the new trays into the FC are introduced on the top shelf (no fruits, closer to light) it should help with pinning.  Now you might be asking..."12" of head space... thats not a lot, are you growing mini-fruits?"  Lemme explain:



What I'm using as trays are these 16" x 16" x 2.5" seeding trays, they ALMOST fit perfectly in this thing.. I gotta turn them slightly sideways but thats fine.  And with a total of 12" space, with 2.5 inch of substrate(uncased) I think I can work with 9.5 inches to grow into.  Not to mention the underside of the shelves have about an inch of free space to move into anyways.



So, all in all I'm actually quite happy with these, with the ebay greenhouses I wouldn't be able to fit two of these trays per shelf.  And I'd only have 4 tier's to work with.  So, all in all I'm quite excited to get these babies wrapped up and hooked up to the bulk humidifier I'm building.  Also, the only thing that is bugging me is finding a tray to place under these two beasts... I'd like to have a fat tray of perlite under both of them... but locating these trays without costing and arm and a leg seems somewhat difficult(no not trays that go under washer/dryers).

Obviously I'll update as the progress continues... I forgot to show you some pictures of my work table but I'll do that in the next update.

And for a teaser I'm going to build a bulk humidifier that will house a return air box(not filtered) controlled with a variable motor control on the squirrel cage fan and a cycle timer with the fogger/air stone.  Hopefully with this amount of control I can play around with FAE/RH as much as I'd like.


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    #9743407 - 02/05/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

damnit im salivating again


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    #9745435 - 02/05/09 09:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

lookin even better man. keep up the good work! progressing quick!


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    #9746080 - 02/05/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9755196 - 02/07/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9757505 - 02/07/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9764163 - 02/09/09 02:01 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9789516 - 02/13/09 08:24 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

*** UPDATE ***

Phew, I've been quite busy lately so it has definitely been a project trying to get this thing wrapped up.  Here is the progress:


I had to cut some PVC and duct tape that PVC to some of the scraps from when I cut off the supports to shorten the thing.  I don't need a ton of head space on this top shelf as I'm going to use it to introduce trays.



This is greenhouse opened up.  I couldn't find any plastic trays large enough to place the 36 x 18 inch shelf unit, so I just picked up a 4' x 8' sheet of particle board, made a tray, weather proofed it and then lined it with plastic.  This actually ended up being more cost effective, as I used the same board to make the greenhouse mixing box.  The bottom is filled up with perlite to catch and re-humidify the air.



This is a better back up shot of the set-up.  I just got this whole thing up last night, likely in the next couple of days I'll get the second one up... I figured I should do one completely first then the next so that I'd fuck up on one and not the other.  I'm glad I did.



This is the humidifier/reservoir.  It is a 5 gallon bucket with an intake(from the blower) and an outtake that splits to each greenhouse.  I plan to add a small screw cap coupling as a "fill cap" so I don't have to take off the lid to check the water level or to fill it up.



This is it running with the lid off, the air-stone is cemented to the bottom of the bucket, and the ultrasonic fogger is floating on a buoy, the lines are coming in through the very top part of the bucket so I don't have to deal with wires coming out of the bucket lid.



Here is a close up of the cycle timer that is controlling the fogger and the air-stone, I have to yet to decide if I want them seperate(without the air-stone on the timer.)  This puppy was 99$ with shipping included.  Sadly I found a much better deal than our sponsor's after I purchased it, if you want the info just PM me.



Here is a better close up shot of the air-return mixing box.  The purpose of this experiment is to see if I can exploit any advantages over re-circulating already humidified air, as this allows you to blow a ridiculous amount of FAE over your grow area without drying out your substrate.  This, in time, once tuned should allow me to give tons of FAE and control the eb and flow of evaporation from the substrate layer while keeping the air humidified.  The constant FAE should also aid in contam control.  However, I'm unsure about how well, and the fact that the system goes between both houses.. it may be counter-productive and could make the contam issue even worse.  Better news though is that since the room will have a small air-return mixing box itself(HEPA filtered) this MAY help.  This mixing box is NOT filtered.  From the preview that I posted above you can see that it is lined with a roof weatherproofing agent, and then sealed.

Also, I still have a variable motor control that is in the mail, so soon as I get that I'll switch out the normal switch and put that in.

Also, I started off putting the intake air (to the greenhouse) on the bottom, and the outtake on top.  After firing it up for a few minutes last night I may make a change and switch those.  The humidified air seems to fall from the hose, for some reason I thought the initial set-up would work better.  Why?  I have no clue.  Guess you just have to fuck it up enough until you get it right, right?  =)



This is a better top-down view.  Obviously you see the blower mounted on the left(which blows into the bucket).  The large ball valve that you see on the right is for fresh air intake.  And the back two valves are for return air from the greenhouses.  This whole system is an experiment, so please don't think that I have this down to a pat yet.  Not nearly.  This system may not even be fully intuitive, especially for the normal home grower.  I will report back on it's functionality.

To see why I wanted to pursue this endeavor, see here.



Ah yes, and here is the small work bench that has been done for quite a while.  It is quite messy, I apologize, and there is still a decent amount to add to this half of the room.  I ended up removing the fridge from the room to make more space.  Vacutainer master cultures really don't take up that much room.  I have a lot of shelving to still go up on this half, and also in the inter-change room or as I like to call it, "The Dirty Room." :wink:


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9789633 - 02/13/09 09:01 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Shits getting close aint it? Looking great.


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    #9789760 - 02/13/09 09:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Can't wait until we get to see it full of happy baby shrooms.


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    #9790174 - 02/13/09 11:28 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Can't wait until we get to see it full of happy baby shrooms.




X2 i wanna see this room flowing with fungus! With all this work it better be right!


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    #9790368 - 02/13/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9791542 - 02/13/09 05:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Looks awesome man, Im really impressed with the room.

The return-air humidifier might be a bit of an issue, though.. I'm really interested to see how it works.  I think as long as you introduce some outside air into the humidifier for a few minutes daily, at least, then that may be enough oxygen to allow the mushrooms to breathe properly.  Depends how much fungus you've got in there and how quickly it's consuming O2.  You'll definately have to play around with that, and keep in mind that how often you introduce outside air will have to change depending on how many fruits you've got going in there.  I'm confident you'll find something that works!  You seem very determined and competent.  I can't wait to see some results!


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    #9791910 - 02/13/09 06:18 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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The return-air humidifier might be a bit of an issue, though.. I'm really interested to see how it works.  I think as long as you introduce some outside air into the humidifier for a few minutes daily, at least, then that may be enough oxygen to allow the mushrooms to breathe properly.




Thats why there is a large ball valve(the one next to the blower) that is for adjusting fresh air intake into the system.  I can leave it fully open as if it were a normal humidifier, and close the return air valve.  And since I have full control of the air flow rate, fresh air intake, return air flow, and the timing of the fogger and air stone, my options are unlimited as to how I want to adjust the variables.  In a little over a week I'll be testing it.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9792686 - 02/13/09 09:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I am watching this very closely.  Great work buddy.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9794968 - 02/14/09 10:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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The return-air humidifier might be a bit of an issue, though.. I'm really interested to see how it works.  I think as long as you introduce some outside air into the humidifier for a few minutes daily, at least, then that may be enough oxygen to allow the mushrooms to breathe properly.




Thats why there is a large ball valve(the one next to the blower) that is for adjusting fresh air intake into the system.  I can leave it fully open as if it were a normal humidifier, and close the return air valve.  And since I have full control of the air flow rate, fresh air intake, return air flow, and the timing of the fogger and air stone, my options are unlimited as to how I want to adjust the variables.  In a little over a week I'll be testing it.




Ahh I understand now.  Well that sounds absolutely ideal.  I can't wait to see it in action.  Hope you've got your spawn colonizing! :thumbup:


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomer17]
    #9804701 - 02/15/09 09:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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The return-air humidifier might be a bit of an issue, though.. I'm really interested to see how it works.  I think as long as you introduce some outside air into the humidifier for a few minutes daily, at least, then that may be enough oxygen to allow the mushrooms to breathe properly.




Thats why there is a large ball valve(the one next to the blower) that is for adjusting fresh air intake into the system.  I can leave it fully open as if it were a normal humidifier, and close the return air valve.  And since I have full control of the air flow rate, fresh air intake, return air flow, and the timing of the fogger and air stone, my options are unlimited as to how I want to adjust the variables.  In a little over a week I'll be testing it.




Ahh I understand now.  Well that sounds absolutely ideal.  I can't wait to see it in action.  Hope you've got your spawn colonizing! :thumbup:




Can see it on the shelves in pics :wink:


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    #9805356 - 02/15/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Holy shit man, that's fucking pro!

5 :mushroom2: 4 U!


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: RobMarley420]
    #9830162 - 02/19/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

***UPDATE***

I've decided to do a video for this update, I figure once the whole room is complete I'll do an entire video run down of the room explaining how I went about the construction.

I got the second greenhouse up today and hooked up to the mixing box, I also turn the shop light 90 degrees to better light the GH's.  I also installed the variable motor speed controller(replacing the simple switch).  And I can't wait to get them both rocking... as you can tell.  =)

Obviously the quality isn't amazing, but that is all you get for now.



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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9830179 - 02/19/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like that greenhouse is full already! Cant wait to see some pornnnnnn


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    #9830187 - 02/19/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

nice:rockon:


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    #9832010 - 02/20/09 08:27 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Fucking great man, i got 5 shrooms with your name on em. Keep us posted on the progress i can wait to see some porn of em both fruiting. Is that all your gonna place in there is those two tiers or are more in the works?


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Doodle]
    #9832030 - 02/20/09 08:35 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Doodle]
    #9832963 - 02/20/09 11:54 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Fucking great man, i got 5 shrooms with your name on em. Keep us posted on the progress i can wait to see some porn of em both fruiting. Is that all your gonna place in there is those two tiers or are more in the works?




For greenhouses.. this is gonna be it.  I can't fit another one of these in there, and I don't think I'll have enough time to keep a third one full.

At first I would have done three 4 tier martha style greenhouses that you could order off the net.  But the shelves on the ones I was looking at were 27" wide and 19" deep with 4 shelves, plus like 50 bucks each.  The ones I built have 5 tiers and are 36" wide and 18" deep, and were 40 each + 3 bucks for plastic.  Now I had to modify these puppies a lot, so time wise it has definitely taxed me.  I had to build custom trays to encompass each one cause they're bigger than any plastic trays I could find.  Even the plastic trays I found that were too small were like 19$ each.

And space wise: 3 of those greenhouses =  6156 square inches on shelf space,
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2 of mine = 6480 square inches of shelf space.

Granted I have a lot less head room, there is a foot of space for each shelf with each tray being 2.5 inches tall thats only 9.5 inches of head room plus a little bit more since the shelves have some space on the underside of them.

What this room has taught me a lot of... is efficiency.  Space efficiency.  If I had a 10X12' foot room to myself... I would keel over in happiness and die.

I COULD have a mono or two growing in here, but I hate mono's now.  They have their place and they do their thing with neglect and cheaply... but they take up way too much space and it is way too much work keeping a lot of them going(in the space I have given). 

If you're doing a bulk grow or two, do mono's.  They're cheap and easy.  Once you start going past 5-6 mono's, just do a greenhouses, it is a lot less hassle.  And a lot easier to work with trays than moving around a bunch of huge tubs.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #10257107 - 04/29/09 04:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

YO! Whats the deal??? I'm gettin worried about cha bro! What? I mean, Did you get busted or something? Its been 2 months! can't a nigga get a lil bitta  Pin Porn off this shit? Whats the status?


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    #10257173 - 04/29/09 05:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

He just posted a news story today, definitely didn't get busted.  He stated earlier in the thread that no shroomies would be shown, so I think what we've got already is as much as we're gonna get.


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    #10257305 - 04/29/09 05:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Nice setup! You're hard work will definitely pay off. :thumbup:


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: mycofanatic]
    #10257594 - 04/29/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Just FYI, I've abandoned the greenhouse return mixing box that you see in here.  I'm actually going to break it down and use it for a air return mixing box that'll filter the air in the room like I originally planned.  The greenhouse set-up has been great, but nothing anyone should drop money on or put effort into.  I'll be putting up a post relatively soon outlining the failure so at least there is some text about it not being a good idea.

The results I was getting from greenhouses were very nice, but for the money involved, it is much much better to buy a pre-built greenhouses, and to just use a coolmist.  Like I said, I'll make a big post outlining the failure, and I'll explain my position there.  The room is still on-going and isn't complete, so I'll add to this when I can take pictures and show you guys.


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