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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9155250 - 10/29/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turpentine is great for treating wood for fungi, it will kill everything and keep it dead.
As long as you don't mind the stink get out a paintbrush and slap it on everywhere wooden.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9155274 - 10/29/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still think this is a bad idea. For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it. Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go. Jusy my thoughts though.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: fuckingbrutal]
#9155341 - 10/29/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuckingbrutal said: I still think this is a bad idea. For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it. Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go. Jusy my thoughts though.
But this is on his property, it's his. He doesn't need to rent anything or worry about landlords, just walk over to the building.
So it costs some money? He could cultivate a load of Oysters and Shiitake and become a small, local scale commercial grower if he wanted to if he has a proper space like that to work in.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: fuckingbrutal]
#9155474 - 10/29/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I still think this is a bad idea. For the amount of money you're going to spend on making that space sterile/secure you could easily rent a spot to do it. Find the right spot with the right landlords and you're good to go. Jusy my thoughts though.
The materials that it is going to take to sterilize this space is really a drop in the bucket. Insulation, dry-wall, and sheets of plastic. Maybe the location of this house doesn't appear right to you, for privacy reasons I'm not going to explain how, but building this room in this house is really the best place I could ask for. Its the most private, and the most non-noticeable, also the easiest to hide.
And like I said, no reason to be worried if I'm growing edibles, silly. =)
What really is going to cost me money is the filtering and making it a positive pressure environment, that's my largest concern. But the upside is I'm not trying to filter and give FAE to 2,000 cubic feet of air, it's only a little under 400 cubic feet of space.
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Turpentine is great for treating wood for fungi, it will kill everything and keep it dead.
As long as you don't mind the stink get out a paintbrush and slap it on everywhere wooden.
Would treating the wood really be worth-while?
Consider this: if I insulate, dry-wall, seal it, then use plastic to cover the entire room with a small interchange entrance, that would seal the room.
Now, why treat the wood that I'm gonna cover up with insulation/drywall and plastic? And I sure as hell can't treat all the exposed wood in the house(that's a lot). But I still need FAE in the room, so I'm gonna have to depend on some type of venting system with filtering involved, correct?
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Edited by shroomzey (10/29/08 05:57 PM)
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
#9155491 - 10/29/08 05:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't you think it's gonna look suspicious tho, when you're going into an abandoned house every day for hours at a time? Yea, you own it - but still.. They're gonna kno nobody can live in there, so it would raise questions about what exactly you're doing in a run-down place like that..
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: J3illy]
#9155495 - 10/29/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Actually if you could make it look like you were doing work on the house, that wouldn't look bad.. Have like a pickup out front w/ ladders, bring tools inside, etc.. hahah
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: J3illy]
#9155781 - 10/29/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssttttt me.
Security and privacy is not an issue, for reasons that I don't have to explain for my own privacy, I have that fully under control, you don't have to worry about that.
You might have noticed earlier I mentioned right outside of this room, is a work shop, FULL OF TOOLS, MATERIALS, AND THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS USED FOR STORAGE. There is no reason for it to be suspicious, because I work in it all the time.
I don't need input regarding security, I need input regarding making it a habitable environment for growing mushrooms.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9155980 - 10/29/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil. basicly create a plastic room ceiling and all. that area looks awful nasty for this hobby. you could spend money and make it into a small finished room .
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
#9155981 - 10/29/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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save yourself a lot of work, home depot sells a plastic panel that will keep things out, just screw them in place, caulk the seams with polyurethane caulk and cleaning is as easy as wiping with bleach, the sheets are 4x8 just like playwood, I do reccomend putting up sheetrock for added support and applying caulk as an adhesive for the panels, cover the walls and ceiling.
for the floor, if you can take up the wood, do so, if there;s drt under it throw down more concrete, pick up a floor leveling compound like scofield or ardex and the primer that goes with it, get a grinder and diamond blade, to scuff the surface and open up the cracks, apply the floor leveling compound, give it a couple weeks to dry and seal it with a no slip epoxy like they use on garage floors
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: seven]
#9155989 - 10/29/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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seven said: i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil.
too expensive when you consider it will need to be replaced every year or so, a little more up front can give a lifetime investment and could easily be converted to a bathroom or what ever later
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9156007 - 10/29/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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hahahaha, everyone is fuckin freaking out for you man... i say good work, and keep on with the gung-ho-edness... To answer your question, yes, you are going to need some type of ventilation system with a fan set up to pull air in through some sort of hepa filter set up. I would think that your best bet would be to pull it from outside, as the air is much fresher (more oxygen...) so better FAE. Just punch a hole in the wall, run some ducting to a fan with some hepa filters, have it all on the inside, then on the outside it'll just look like there's a hole in the wall. Cover it with one of those little things they have for dryer ducts, you'll be golden. You said it needs to look like there's no vent there, i can't really think of any other way to cover it up while still being able to get an ample amount of air in. maybe something having to do with tyvek (or some other breathable prefilter type thing) to go over it to hide it.
The good thing about this method also, depending on where you live and the temps of outside, you can regulate the temps in your grow room by setting up your ventilation system on a timer that lets in more warm air during the day and much less air at night if it needs to warmer, or vice versa if it needs to be cooler.... basically use that to regulate your temps, that way you won't need to spend money on heaters and such.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9156030 - 10/29/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definatly treat the wood. then put up gyprock walls, seal the gyprock and line with plastic??
just an idea.
If your planning on using a flowhood and a glovebox. I see no need to hepa filter the entire room which would require extremly large hepa filter and blowers. As long as your rooms are kept sanitised it will be ok. Fruiting conditions dont need to sterile anyway.
Get the rooms treats, walled and upto scratch and it will be a great grow area.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: veda_sticks]
#9156084 - 10/29/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The idea w/ those interlocking plastic pieces is the best 1.. That way, you're fully enclosing the entire room.. I have something kinda similar for the floor in my room - it's interlocking pieces that look like parquet..
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: J3illy]
#9157838 - 10/30/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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clean that room up, finish it with drywall and maybe some tiles, forget all the plastic shit and marthas, put up big shelves for a whole bunch of monotubs with a big ass light in the middle of the room on a timer
use your straw and hpoo in your bigass monos and get some kinda big bin or a dead freezer with a heater in there to use as an incubator
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: ShadowSpore]
#9158094 - 10/30/08 06:22 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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One way to deal with the floor is lay 1/4 inch or thinner sheet material with construction adhesive. Masonite, hardboard, door skin, luan, something like that. Then cover with vinyl flooring. This method covers and seals up uneven flooring quite nicely.
Look into an Ozone Generator to help control mold. I have used a combo of ozone and heavy negative ions for years to deal with old and downright infected spaces. Well worth the expense.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9158252 - 10/30/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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seven said: i would cover the walls and floor with thick plastic. four mil.
too expensive when you consider it will need to be replaced every year or so, a little more up front can give a lifetime investment and could easily be converted to a bathroom or what ever later
i agree. i would rather see him finish the area then ghetto plastic everything.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: seven]
#9175738 - 11/03/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright, so far with everything in consideration I just wanted to say THANK YOU for your input thus far. I've been spending a lot of time getting prices, seeing what materials/resources are easily afforded to me, and what methods would suit my situation.
This is what I've got so far, feel free to criticize or give input as I'll be the one to judge if it matters or not:
I've decided to line the exposed walls with 4-6 mil plastic and have it stapled into places to help aid in any moisture/exposure reaching the insulation. I'm not going to treat the wood because I'm basically going to be sealing it with plastic, insulation, dry-wall, sealant, and then the final layer of plastic(or maybe plastic board). I'm not going to cheap out on insulation, as I realize this isn't a home, and because it is so exposed insulation is really going to save me money in the long run keeping the temperature controlled.
Insulation should run me anywhere from 110-140$ Dry-wall - 30$, if I go green board (moisture/mold resistant) it will be 60$. Because the inside layer of plastic is going to be fully sealed, I'm not sure if I should go with green board...thoughts? Having that outside layer of plastic lining the walls is a cheap semi-solution to outside moisture getting in.
Plastic sheeting 4-6 mil I can get for free, same as a plastic inter-change room, given from a haz-mat clean up / containment business.
Gorilla tape to seal the seams. A large insulated door to close up the entrance, with the plastic inter-change chamber entrance right there as you open it up.
The floor I'm still slightly unsure what to do, I can't rip up the wood flooring, so I have a feeling I'm going to lay down some type of sheeting to cover the wood, and the cracks in the concrete. And then just lay a thick layer of plastic that would take some effort to actually puncture. What mil is that? Not sure, I need to check thicknesses.
Now, my biggest issue, and the one I was hoping to get the most input from you guys now...
TEMPERATURE/ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROL:
Honestly this is the part of the project that I've been most excited to figure out/construct.
Check it:
Now, supposing that I'm able to have 3 martha's set ups within this room, each:
17 x 27 x 63 inches, that hold 18.6 cubic feet of air. Cost: 20 bucks each.
Each would be independently humidified by cool-mists (with three going, maybe I should build a bulk humidifier?)
Now, via The Mushroom Cultivator it says maximum air exchanges per hour are 2-3. Has this # changed at all or is 1-3 air exchanges per hour still prime conditions for a FC set-up like this? Obviously I'm not growing cakes and fanning these babies, lol.
If so, then the air exchange rate that I'll need will be around 2.5 for the given cubic feet of space. And with 3 martha set-ups like so that should be less than 60 cubic feet of air.
math = 2.5 x 60 cubic feet ---------- 60 min
= 2.5 CFM requirements.
NOW, since the cool mists will be supplying the FAE and Humidity, that CFM requirement is really only needed for the environment(the sealed room) so the venting power/costs needed for this room are VASTLY lower than I guestimated. If I have 2.5 CFM air flow in the room that is the minimum to keep the marthas and the room from filling up with co2.
I looked at an attic fan at home depot for 50$ with 1540 CFM power, lol. After doing all the math that would be overkill.
Since I will at times be in this room I think the CFM requirements for this 390 cubic feet of air space (As it is empty, not full of stuff) should obviously be higher than 2.5, maybe double it? 5 CFM?
With a fan of such low power I'm thinking it would then be worth it to actually pre-filter and then HEPA filter the entire room. Which brings me to....
THE MIXING BOX:
***EDIT***WARNING*** PLEASE DISREGARD THIS STUPID DESIGN, I'M LEAVING THIS HERE FOR MEMORY SAKE BUT REALIZE THIS DESIGN IS VERY POOR.

By building a mixing box I can recirculate the air and help keep the heating/cooling costs lower, as well as control how much Fresh outside air actually enters the room. If I can have some type of vent valve/gate to control the air intake then I can have full control of how much is recirculated and how much is fresh air, and would make it much easier to slowly work in fresh air rather than blow in a bunch and shock the heating/cooling.
Now, if the CFM demand is pretty low, and it might be feasible to HEPA the actual venting system to this room, maybe I should place the recirculation vent(look at the picture) in front of the HEPA filters rather than behind them, that way the room would be constantly recirculating and filtering out contaminants. (Even though I would be entering through a plastic interchange-chamber stuff would still follow me in, as well as whatever is on me.) But, that means the recirculation vent would expose the room to that cavity of air that wouldn't be filtered. So, how might I fix this problem without having 2 filters in this mixing box?
I also realized that putting some insulation around this mixing box will help with keeping the temperature controlled, since I imagined it would be mounted above the room, but I may actually just drop it into the room if its not going to be so huge. That way I can change out filters, etc, from within the room without having to climb up into the rafters to get access to it.
Annnnnddd.... I'm wondering what kind of fan would be best suited for this job... and axial fan (turbine style) or a squirrel cage fan kind, or also know as centrifugal fans.
And since the CFM demands are only 2.5 for the FC's, how much output do you think I should use for the whole room? I suggested doubling it to 5, since I don't know that much about HVAC in general, I wonder how much airflow that is for a 390 cubic feet of space...
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Edited by shroomzey (02/20/09 12:01 PM)
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room *UPDATED W/ PICS [Re: shroomzey]
#9367149 - 12/04/08 05:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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**UPDATE**
Well it has been some time since I last posted on this and I wanted to give you all an update on the progress. Though my plans were for it to already be completely done, some things were postponed and some areas of the design required more time and thought, namely the mixing box.
The entrance/door was done a few weeks ago but I just started getting the insulation in which should be done mostly tonight, and I'll hopefully have the drywall/plastic/shelving up within this week. I've been ripping out the walls in a bathroom in the house and simultaneously wiring/insulating/drywall both of the projects. Which is why this has been taking longer as my free-time from work and energy has been short.
Any who, onto the goodies:
 This is the bare face of the hidden door that I fabricated. If you'd like to see the entrance, look at the other pic update I posted earlier in this thread. It sits on 3 heavy duty hinges and I put plenty of 2x4 and metal supports within it so that it doesn't give at all, it easily supports 200+ pounds on the very end edge of the door, and again easily supports the shelving and weight on it which you'll see below. Notice the small thin black latch that protrudes from a slice in the drywall, easily hidden.  This is just an inside view from the room with the door open, as you can see the support design I choose to use, and the metal supports in the inside 90 degree angles of the frame. Again notice the other end of the black latch, it is a heavy door "gate" latch turned sideways which is quite strong and even by itself allows for no shake in the door. Also: the messy work shop. =D  The door with the shelving just mounted.  This is the door with a bunch of paint/plaster supplies on and around it, at the bottom of the door are a couple of crates which hold tools and can easily be slid out of the way of the door to allow for it to swing open.  Same door, looking down at the ground so you can see a bit more. My work shop is still pretty messy and needs to be organized. Which I'll do once I'm done with the room but for now this hides the progress well enough.  This is with the door open. I specialized the hinge design so that it doesn't swing exactly like a normal door, the pivot point is more "inside" of the door so that the drywall on the door actually sits behind the ply-wood on the tool wall. This way there are no exposed pins on the hinges, no gaps as it looks very clean and flush, it swings better, and allows for more clearance. It is a very wide door so what looks like a small space to walk through is just enough to walk into it comfortably.  This is the inside, the room is about 80% insulated. R-13 on the walls (as the 2x4's aren't as deep as todays standard of 2x4's, they're actually a little fatter and not as deep) which is 3 1/2 inches wide. Due to cost issues, I'm also going to be putting up R-13 on the ceiling, I wish I could go bigger but as of right now I can't. Something is better than nothing, since I can gain access to the top of this room even after it has been dry-walled, it won't be too hard when I want to upgrade.  There is my mini-fridge sitting there... waiting to be used, my still air glove-box, and some supplies under that. Also some pre-filters for the mixing box once I have that built. I'll post pictures of the mixing box as I put it together since I believe there is a huge lack of any pictorials on the net for creating a mixing box. (or at least I couldn't fine one...) =(  The door framing, again. With some insulation in it so you can see. And the messy work shop... again.  The heavy duty gate latch, turned side ways.  And this is the other side of the latch. I cut a space into the back of the metal shelving so it hides flush with the under-side. You really have to reach down and under the shelving to reach it, and with some taller items on the lower shelf... you can't even see it if you were bent down and looking for it. Well, thanks for following this. I'm hoping it will inspire more people to take on such projects for themselves. Currently this whole thing is slated to be done by New Years... I'm hoping. That is is time allows it. I'll continue to post as the whole project endures. Any questions, suggestions, and criticism is appreciated! =)    
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Edited by shroomzey (02/20/09 01:29 PM)
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room *UPDATED W/ PICS [Re: shroomzey]
#9367184 - 12/04/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like the idea of the hidden door w/ the camoflauge supplies right on it.
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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room *UPDATED W/ PICS [Re: J3illy]
#9372126 - 12/05/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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J3illy said: I like the idea of the hidden door w/ the camoflauge supplies right on it.
Yeah and the great advantage of having the room built off of a workshop is any traffic or time spent inside is then just considered to be time spent on crafts or home improvements(which I'm doing all the time anyways) and even if someone pokes their head inside... they've got nothing to see. =)
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