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    #9152549 - 10/29/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

***Disclaimer***:  This thread is still on-going, please don't take the information listed in this as a "Tek", as there is a lot of information in this that should not be followed.  Once it is complete, I will post a detailed log of the build.  Thanks!

Alright...*cracks knuckles*

This room will be held within a condemned house, largely the walls are all un-insulted leaving the studs and framework of the house exposed, it is COVERED with dust, cobwebs, rat & mice feces, etc.  And the goal is to turn a 6.5 W x 7.5 L x 8 H foot area into a room that will hold  1 or 2 martha FC's, a work table, shelving to hold jars while spawning, and a cabinet unit large enough to hold most of or all supplies.

*UPDATE* Here is a link to the post with the pictures:  Pictures Of The Room Right Here
**UPDATE #2** 12/04/08 Some pictures of the progress: Hidden Door, Insulation, Etc.
**UPDATE #3** 12/07/08 Some pictures of the progress: Drywall, vinyl flooring, beginning plastic.
**UPDATE #4** 12/08/08 Some pictures of the progress: Shelving, Zipper entrance.
**UPDATE #5** 12/15/08 Some pictures of the progress: Interchange chamber, lighting, heater.
**UPDATE #6** 01/26/09 Some pictures of the dryer: Standing modular drying unit.
**UPDATE #7** 02/05/09 Some pictures of the green house: Green house, part 1
**UPDATE #8** 02/13/09 Newer pictures of the green house: Green house, part 2
**UPDATE #9** 02/19/09 Video of the Greenhouses complete: Green house, part 3


Now, currently how I'm planning construction goes as follows:

Insulate and dry-wall the room, use plastic to line the walls and ceiling(what mil should I use?).  And then comes question # 1...

Half of the floor is hard-wood flooring(old, shrunken, don't want exposed at all, and the other half is concrete.  What I'm curious about is how should I go above lining the floor that isn't going to be as annoying and simply lining it with plastic?  If I should, what thickness or type that I can walk on without puncturing?  I know exposing this hard wood, or really any part of the rest of the house will make for an un-sterile work area, so I plan to basically have it completely sealed from the rest of it.  I'd like to have a plastic zipper entry, that opens to a small standing space where I could then put on some gloves and other clothing (sleeves, hair net, surgical mask) and then from that standing space zipper into the whole room.

How might the concrete flooring affect me being able to control the temperature in this room?  Should I go through the effort of covering it with another material?

Since this project involves building a sterile sanctuary inside of a (by winter) damp, cold, wooden, dust filled nasty place...  what methods of air exchange in this room do I need to consider?

I want to make the whole room a positive pressure environment considering air exchange, how should I filter it?  What kind of CFM rates for a blower, etc.  Should I have stages of filtering for it, since the house is filled with dust, and expensive fine filter on the outside would be a waste, yet... should I consider making the entire room HEPA'd?  So many questions, maybe I should start with this and as other stuff arises through construction I'll post more.  I'd like to have this room completely done within 1 month.

EDIT: I later decided against the filter/fan glovebox and instead constructed a still-air one.

Also, just to add I don't plan on using a laminar hood, just a glovebox with a hepa filter and a computer fan for inoculations and as my specific sterile work space... a la HippeChick:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/139980/imgpl/3/imgpp/10/folder/Glovebox


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9152679 - 10/29/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever watched the TV show Dexter?

Same premise, just make it a bit more permament, chuck a HEPA in, and if possible have a interchange room where you can change out of your clothes/wash hands etc so you don't bring any contaminants in on your person.


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    #9153120 - 10/29/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: nastea]
    #9153133 - 10/29/08 07:44 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Condemned house? Doesn't sound safe. Why was it condemned? Was it structural defect, toxins, black mold?? This doesn't seem like a good idea no offense. Especially when people see you entering a condemned house (unless you own it) with boxes of materials or just walking in an out of a condemned house at any given point. Do you plan on using a generator for 24/7 power? And it a dirty place like this you should plan on getting a HEPA filter in my opinion for a VERY large room. You may inoculate in the glovebox but what is going to keep the air clean in your marthas? I think we need a lot more information about the building itself and why it is condemned. You may be wasting your time/money.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9153145 - 10/29/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright...*cracks knuckles*

One of my first posts here on the shroomery was asking for help to design an underground shroom room.  Here:

Help Me Build This...Underground Shroom Room +PICS (Pics have lost their host, so sorry that you can't see, it was an underground bomb shelter)

Now sadly that project had to fall through due some personal life stuff, and while the construction and progress was being made, it had to cease.

Now my attention has been switched to a new location, and some different challenges have arisen that I'd like all your input on.

The new shroom room will be held within a condemned house, largely the walls are all un-insulted leaving the studs and framework of the house exposed, it is COVERED with dust, cobwebs, rat & mice feces, etc.  And the goal is to turn a 6.5 W x 7.5 L x 8 H foot area into a shroom room that will hold  1 or 2 martha FC's, a work table, shelving to hold jars while spawning, and a cabinet unit large enough to hold most of or all supplies.



Now, currently how I'm planning construction goes as follows:

Insulate and dry-wall the room, use plastic to line the walls and ceiling(what mil should I use?).  And then comes question # 1...

Half of the floor is hard-wood flooring(old, shrunken, don't want exposed at all, and the other half is concrete.  What I'm curious about is how should I go above lining the floor that isn't going to be as annoying and simply lining it with plastic?  If I should, what thickness or type that I can walk on without puncturing?  I know exposing this hard wood, or really any part of the rest of the house will make for an un-sterile work area, so I plan to basically have it completely sealed from the rest of it.  I'd like to have a plastic zipper entry, that opens to a small standing space where I could then put on some gloves and other clothing (sleeves, hair net, surgical mask) and then from that standing space zipper into the whole room.

How might the concrete flooring affect me being able to control the temperature in this room?  Should I go through the effort of covering it with another material?

Since this project involves building a sterile sanctuary inside of a (by winter) damp, cold, wooden, dust filled nasty place...  what methods of air exchange in this room do I need to consider?

I want to make the whole room a positive pressure environment considering air exchange, how should I filter it?  What kind of CFM rates for a blower, etc.  Should I have stages of filtering for it, since the house is filled with dust, and expensive fine filter on the outside would be a waste, yet... should I consider making the entire room HEPA'd?  So many questions, maybe I should start with this and as other stuff arises through construction I'll post more.  I'd like to have this room completely done within 1 month.

Also, just to add I don't plan on using a laminar hood, just a glovebox with a hepa filter and a computer fan for inoculations and as my specific sterile work space... a la HippeChick:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/usergallery.php/gallery/139980/imgpl/3/imgpp/10/folder/Glovebox




Since you have the ability to create a perfect environment, from what I have read R19 for the walls and R30 for the ceiling. You also want the room to be airtight. 2-4mil plastic should do as a barrier for moisture. Before adding any insulation you want to close all cracks and everything needs to be sealed.

Your going to need plenty of fresh air, so you need to duct in air that can be highly filtered with HEPA filters.  Air also needs to be cooled or heated properly to maintain your temperature. There is alot involved.

Check this out:

http://www.sfc.ucdavis.edu/library/pdf/842.pdf


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9153154 - 10/29/08 07:56 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't own it and you can get in, so can kids looking for a place to fuck, drink, take drugs, whatever, homeless people and others.

I think the most important thing you shouls have is a hell of a big padlock.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Nibin]
    #9153167 - 10/29/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I think the most important thing you shoul[d] have is a hell of a big padlock.




For sure, people will wander in there as well. Hell if I saw a setup like like I would take everything. What can you do call the cops? This just screams trouble, be careful.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9153178 - 10/29/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't own it, I don't think it's a good idea.  Cops could show up at any moment, or investigate it later when you're not there and set up a sting and then you're fucked.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: juju]
    #9153290 - 10/29/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Here are a couple of my ideas, apologize for the poor quality, I made it into a jpeg and somehow it got messed up when I uploaded it. Open it in a seperate window, it gets messed up when you try to expand the thumb.

The room would probably be underground with concrete walls, but it would have a steel frame(regardless if it was above or underground) and if it was above ground Id use paperless fiberglass drywall.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153333 - 10/29/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

what are those fruiting chambers supposed to be/have inside in your scheme there MisterMuscaria? Looks interesting to say the least! What more can you tell us of your plans to conquer.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: sandman420]
    #9153338 - 10/29/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Seeing as I dont have the room yet; It depends on what sorts of spores and cultures I have at the time, but Id like to grow all sorts of mushrooms in there.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153402 - 10/29/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: jboodradle]
    #9153416 - 10/29/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.




I planning to build this structure myself on my own property. Are you talking to me or the OP?


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: sandman420]
    #9153422 - 10/29/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

pics dont work shroomzey


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9153476 - 10/29/08 10:10 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

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I'm going to emphasize that your terribly half-baked idea is destined for failure.... if you can't grow mushrooms where you live then don't do it somewhere else, its even more likely to get you caught than doing it in your own home.




I planning to build this structure myself on my own property. Are you talking to me or the OP?




I think he was talking to the OP . That's what happens when you thread-jack,lol;)

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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: HippieChick]
    #9154362 - 10/29/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Without dishing out too many details, the security of this condemned house is secure, I own it, and it is within very close proximity to my living house.  So much so that it has naturally for quite a few years has been used purely for storage. 

And again, without dishing out too much information the house was half-built a long time ago.  The framework, roof, siding, and beginning electrical had started in the house yet it was unfinished.  While unfinished people lived inside of this house (before I ever owned this land) and the local government discovered this, the house for some unknown reasons was then labeled as condemned as it was un-fit for living, and the utilities to this house were shut off.  It was not condemned for structural integrity, or any serious reasons, I'm assuming though to prevent inhabitants until it was brought up to code.

Now, since it is within close proximity think of it basically as a giant, old, wooden storage shed.  Electrical supply, water, etc. is easily supplied. 

Also to add, outside of this room's entrance is a giant work area(within the house), so any work involved that doesn't need to be relatively sterile, that involves any grains/manure/straw prior to pasteurization can be done there, and not in the room. FYI.

*edit* And besides, don't worry about the security of said room/place.  I have that fully under control, and besides I wouldn't have to worry about getting caught if I'm legally growing edible mushrooms, correct?  :wink:  I'm just asking for advice on turning this space into a good growing workspace.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9154503 - 10/29/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Without dishing out too many details, the security of this condemned house is secure, I own it, and it is within very close proximity to my living house.  So much so that it has naturally for quite a few years has been used purely for storage. 

And again, without dishing out too much information the house was half-built a long time ago.  The framework, roof, siding, and beginning electrical had started in the house yet it was unfinished.  While unfinished people lived inside of this house (before I ever owned this land) and the local government discovered this, the house for some unknown reasons was then labeled as condemned as it was un-fit for living, and the utilities to this house were shut off.  It was not condemned for structural integrity, or any serious reasons, I'm assuming though to prevent inhabitants until it was brought up to code.

Now, since it is within close proximity think of it basically as a giant, old, wooden storage shed.  Electrical supply, water, etc. is easily supplied. 

Also to add, outside of this room's entrance is a giant work area(within the house), so any work involved that doesn't need to be relatively sterile, that involves any grains/manure/straw prior to pasteurization can be done there, and not in the room. FYI.




SWEET. so you have your own personal labspace. As long as you are the locals don't sneak in for quickies it sound ideal.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: Nibin]
    #9155063 - 10/29/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ah I was just worrying if this was the stereotypical condemned home that for some reason had serious structural defects or some sort of health hazard. Well as long as it is secure go for it, but I would still be EXTRA careful, don't want the government sniffing around wondering what the old condemned house is up to. Keep us updated with pics :smile:


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: dothedew69]
    #9155189 - 10/29/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, I actually had to humble together an old camera phone to take these, so...sorry the quality isn't amazing... I'll explain it pic by pic:




This is looking through the entrance from the work shop into the mushroom room.


This is standing in the entrance/door-way and looking at the right corner.


This is standing near the entrance/door-way looking at the left corner.


This is then looking down at the floor and the left corner, now you can see how almost half of the room has this old hard-wood flooring...


This is looking at the floor and the right corner, you can see the concrete... and the old wood and how the framework is exposed.  Thankful there is some black paper up that helps to block most light from seeping through the siding but I'll still have to seal most of it before I insulate it.


Notice how the ceiling is completely open up to the rest of the house, I'm assuming I might have to mount a blower above this framing, and then have it push the air down into the room.  But, all the air it would be sucking in is a ton of dust from the inside of this place.  Which brings me to...


If you'll notice in this picture, this is having the camera pushed up near the ceiling supports, and towards where the root slides down over the wall, now its possible to knock out a wooden piece and then pull the air in directly from outside.  I would have to use some methods to not make it look like there is a vent entrance... but it may be better than pulling the air in from inside.  Or maybe not?  Maybe pulling from outside would be less, I don't know.  Depends what will be functional with filter the air flow into this thing.  What is also cool is that where that vent entrance would be, there is something(that I'm not gonna say) that makes a decent amount of noise constantly to mask the sound of a blower or something.

So, if someone was able to walk by the rear of this house, hopefully it would be enough to mask any noise... I'm not 100 positive, but I would hope so.


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Re: Need Help Designing A Shroom Room [Re: shroomzey]
    #9155198 - 10/29/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Id say treat that wood. It looks like it could be a mold haven.


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