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deCypher



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So I'm in the market for a belief system...
#9150837 - 10/28/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ladies and gentlemen, the memetic filters are down. Convince me that I should accept your beliefs.
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Veritas

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9150850 - 10/28/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you accept my belief that suffering is created through irrational thinking, you will gain the ability to be happy in almost any circumstance!
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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Veritas]
#9150901 - 10/28/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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A check is in the mail.
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Veritas

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9150909 - 10/28/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, I don't want your money. The only reward I desire is the elimination of self-inflicted suffering, one person at a time.
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Newfound_wonder
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Veritas]
#9150915 - 10/28/08 09:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion unless acted on by a force.
The acceleration of an object (m) is equal to the sum of the forces acting on it. ΣF=ma
For every object that exerts a force in nature, there is a force that is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction that acts on the object. No isolated force exists in nature.
Think about it.
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Veritas]
#9150930 - 10/28/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Veritas said: If you accept my belief that suffering is created through irrational thinking, you will gain the ability to be happy in almost any circumstance!
All suffering, or some suffering? Doesn't gaining the ability to be happy in this manner require that I also be able to recognize which thoughts of mine are irrational, and be able to prevent myself from thinking them? Which circumstances aren't covered by this ability? What level of happiness are we talking about here? Nirvana? The carnal pleasures of the flesh as embodied by seventy two nubile, moaning women? A Zen-like quiet, content contemplation?
I just want to know what I'm getting into here before I sign my metaphorical soul away.
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Veritas

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9150989 - 10/28/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can keep your "soul," whatever the heck that is. 
All suffering is created through irrational thinking. Having a body results in the ability to feel both pleasure and pain, but does not inevitably lead to suffering. Suffering is a mental imposition we place upon ourselves through the idea that reality should be different than it IS.
It's easy to spot which thoughts are irrational...just notice what you were thinking right before you made yourself miserable. 
I would say that happiness would be difficult in circumstances involving a great deal of physical pain, immediate danger or starvation. Barring those extremes, happiness at levels from "gee, I feel good" to "OMG!!!" becomes effortless.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Veritas]
#9151283 - 10/28/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know Christianity and especially Catholicism aren't very popular here and I'll probably get flamed for this, but here you go.
Matthew 16:18-19 "You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Matthew 28:20 "And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Nicene Creed We believe in one God, the Father the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Newfound_wonder]
#9151318 - 10/28/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Newfound_wonder said: An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion unless acted on by a force.
The acceleration of an object (m) is equal to the sum of the forces acting on it. ΣF=ma
For every object that exerts a force in nature, there is a force that is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction that acts on the object. No isolated force exists in nature.
Think about it.
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Newfound_wonder]
#9151348 - 10/28/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Newfound_wonder said: An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion unless acted on by a force.
The acceleration of an object (m) is equal to the sum of the forces acting on it. ΣF=ma
For every object that exerts a force in nature, there is a force that is equal in magnitude and opposite in direction that acts on the object. No isolated force exists in nature.
Think about it.
Sounds logical but this belief system seems a bit frayed around the edges; relativity and quantum mechanics are both a bit flashier (and fun to play with).
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9151393 - 10/28/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i believe you like to fish.
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
#9151440 - 10/28/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm looking forward to skewering some tasty halibut.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Veritas]
#9151526 - 10/28/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Veritas said: All suffering is created through irrational thinking.
how do you know you're not irrational, from a more rational perspective?
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deranger


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher] 1
#9151546 - 10/28/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Cypher said: I'm looking forward to skewering some tasty halibut.
battered halibut, in a sub bun, with cajun mayo sauce = you need to try.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9151598 - 10/28/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Cypher said: Ladies and gentlemen, the memetic filters are down. Convince me that I should accept your beliefs.
I've yet to find any determinable truth. The only meaning in life is that which you give it. Pick one, and run with it. I'm an atheist jew, whose been a practicing buddhist my entire life....it works for me. I like judaism for the community, and buddhism for the contemplation and peace. They compliment each other nicely....or at least they do for me.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
#9151602 - 10/28/08 10:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said:
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The Cypher said: I'm looking forward to skewering some tasty halibut.
battered halibut, in a sub bun, with cajun mayo sauce = you need to try.
That does sound pretty damn tasty right about now.
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
#9151665 - 10/28/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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SyntheticMInd said:
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The Cypher said: I'm looking forward to skewering some tasty halibut.
battered halibut, in a sub bun, with cajun mayo sauce = you need to try.
Om nom nom nom.
Sensual pleasures of the appetite is a pretty compelling belief system, not gonna lie.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9151738 - 10/28/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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hedonism nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
#9151760 - 10/28/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.
 
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deCypher



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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: mofo]
#9151780 - 10/28/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, good old Catholicism.
Some things I've never been entirely clear about: if Jesus died for our sins, does this not give me license to sin freely? And even I can't do this, couldn't I sin freely and then earnestly repent through Confession?
Is God responsible for all the evil and suffering in the world? If He is, I wouldn't want to believe in such a sadistic ruler. If He's not, why should I believe in an impotent God?
Am I unconditionally granted entry into heaven upon my death? What am I required to believe/do/follow for this to happen?
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