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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9196814 - 11/06/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"Events without preconditions are random."

I said it up there.  I realize this definition is incomplete because all definitions are incomplete when using my beliefs.

The thing is though, all beliefs are also true.  True, but incomplete.  They do not tell the whole story of reality, but they are a part of it, so they are true.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196835 - 11/06/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Knowledge comes from admitting that you cannot know anything, you cannot even know that you cannot know anything, and you can't even know that or anything else.  The thing is though, you are always right because you are real.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196863 - 11/06/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Do you mean by this events without any conditions that necessitate the event's occurrence?


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9197493 - 11/06/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Krash Kharma said:
Or you could try Hinduism. By default, all truth-seekers are Hindu.




How so?



http://www.casawomo.com/hindu.php


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9200357 - 11/07/08 04:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly.  Free will is only as good as how much we know about ourselves.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9200510 - 11/07/08 06:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"but so far we can model reality very accurately by including randomness into our equations. "

I just noticed this.  Ask yourself, just because we can do it accurately with probability, does that make it true that probability really exists?  Can we ever know for sure?

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9200627 - 11/07/08 07:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with you that there might be a fundamental order behind everything.  But it's also quite possible that there is instead a fundamental chaos behind everything (the quantum foam, probabilistic waveforms) which we only extrapolate to deduce a non-existent order.

Both chaos and order are human constructs; nothing more.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9200668 - 11/07/08 08:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What are human constructs then?

And of course we can't know if there is objective reality, I don't disagree with that.  In fact, my beliefs force me to never accept anything, this brings me peace.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9200818 - 11/07/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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What are human constructs then?




An imposition of a human categorization onto the undifferentiated real world.  We're incredibly skilled at finding patterns when there aren't any (which turns into paranoid schizophrenia when amplified) or seeing chaos when there is really order (if our scientific tools have not advanced far enough).


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9201561 - 11/07/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What is the real world?

What are patterns?

What is chaos?

What is order?

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9201702 - 11/07/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Words, words, mere words...


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9203884 - 11/07/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Do you understand why I hold these beliefs now?


If not, what are words?

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9203896 - 11/07/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

An attempt to categorize the uncategorizable.

I understand your belief system; I just disagree that there's a fundamental order behind everything.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9204776 - 11/07/08 09:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

"An attempt to categorize the uncategorizable."

What is an attempt? 

What is the uncategorizable?

What is categorize?

If words are your definition, and your definition is words, then you are lost in a loop of your own making.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9205294 - 11/07/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

What you are searching for is what is searching.

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To possess everything ins this world is the same thing as to desire nothing.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9205742 - 11/08/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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If words are your definition, and your definition is words, then you are lost in a loop of your own making.




Welcome to the paradox of the dictionary.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9212456 - 11/09/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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The dictionary of words



 
  defines itself in linear circles.


 
                  Who dares look inside



                                          disappears.





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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9212826 - 11/09/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Is it the paradox of the dictionary, or the paradox of words?  What is either?  Who are you?

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9212968 - 11/09/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Mu.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: LSDXM]
    #9212975 - 11/09/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Krash Kharma said:
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The Cypher said:
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Krash Kharma said:
Or you could try Hinduism. By default, all truth-seekers are Hindu.




How so?



http://www.casawomo.com/hindu.php




Okay, so I suppose almost anyone who's a moral person could call themselves a Hindu.  But why not just call yourself yourself?


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