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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9174608 - 11/02/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective consciousness which spans the cosmos

we are one being playing a game with its self where it makes it seem like there are others but realy its all just you.(or me) :grin:



i am you and you are me.
we or one.




This I like, but what good is it?  Do I reap any tangible benefits from believing this?






You can step back and watch your self at work.

"the light at the end is the same light within."

if you look at it this way you will realize that EVERYTHING you want you already have.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9174617 - 11/02/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Ladies and gentlemen, the memetic filters are down.  Convince me that I should accept your beliefs.





Try Daoism.

It doesn't involve anything other than that there is a flowing energy through all things that is all things that lao tzu calls "Tao", and that going with this flow makes life better.

Or you could try Hinduism. By default, all truth-seekers are Hindu.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: cowchips902]
    #9176846 - 11/03/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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if you look at it this way you will realize that EVERYTHING you want you already have.




Good slogan, but I doubt a starving kid in Africa would agree.

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Or you could try Hinduism. By default, all truth-seekers are Hindu.




How so?


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9178575 - 11/03/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Ladies and gentlemen, the memetic filters are down.  Convince me that I should accept your beliefs.




Yes accept this. Use logic to the best of your ability and keep trying to improve it.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9185252 - 11/04/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You are that starving kid.

everything is just an experience.

there is no good or bad.

and taoism is amazing.:grin:


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
    #9185316 - 11/04/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:Use logic to the best of your ability and keep trying to improve it.




what are some good ways to improve logic?

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
    #9187833 - 11/05/08 09:24 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Math


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
    #9187853 - 11/05/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:Use logic to the best of your ability and keep trying to improve it.




what are some good ways to improve logic?




Challenge your current belief systems by demanding they have hard evidence to back them up. Most people never look into why they believe something.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9190741 - 11/05/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Math




hells yeah.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
    #9190754 - 11/05/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:Use logic to the best of your ability and keep trying to improve it.




what are some good ways to improve logic?




Challenge your current belief systems by demanding they have hard evidence to back them up. Most people never look into why they believe something.




that does work to some degree, but there seems to be much more effective ways to improve logic.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deranger]
    #9194452 - 11/06/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Not when it comes to the emotional life IMO. This is were most peoples logic falls down flat. It's like they never heard of it.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
    #9196673 - 11/06/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Here are the ones I am working with.  I know they aren't the truth, but I feel better when I have faith in them.

Assumption:  Soul is experience.

Assumption:  Nothing can come from nothing. 

Assumption:  Everything is a series of events.

Assumption:  The universe is a loop.

Assumption:  Events without preconditions are random.

Assumption:  Nothing is random.

Assumption:  If something appears random, it is because its preconditions are hidden from perception.

Assumption:  The “particles” of the universe have properties which determine how they behave. 

Assumption:  All of the particles and their properties are the same with each cycle of creation and destruction because there is no influence on them which could alter the sequence of events within the system.  Any event that would do so would be a random one.

Assumption:  Systems including or included by our universe allow follow the previous assumptions.

The previous assumptions resolve a number of problems that another argument cannot resolve.  First, determinism and free will are reconciled to the extent that we are free to will ourselves to do things, but ultimately that will is a result of what we have learned.  What we learn is what we do, we show it in all that we do.  Zeno’s arrow paradox is resolved because motion is an illusion.  Calculus is right because the sum of an infinite series is still finite, or in other words, all.  Heraclitus is right because the universe is nothing but change, but Parmenides is right because the universe is one cycle.  Hume’s problem of induction is avoided because none of these assumptions suppose anything about actual causes of events, only that there is a repeating sequence of events.  Positivists are right because this argument supposes that there is a complete truth in the universe, but to human perspective it may be impossible to know, so all true knowledge is scientific.  Relativists are right too because we can’t know the whole truth, we can only put it into the best words possible. 

There are some difficult things that come from this that many people would find hard to accept.  Free will is an illusion.  Life is only an arrangement of “particles” that exist in such a way that they are self sustaining forms within the system.  There is no creator god.  When we die, we are born again as the same person because the universe recreates itself in the same exact way.  The only heaven is a good life.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196683 - 11/06/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I like your conclusions, but I'd disagree that nothing is random.

What if everything was random, and order is merely a byproduct of our perception?

In reality, I think neither order nor disorder exist--we can choose to see either chaos or harmony as we see fit.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196704 - 11/06/08 04:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The only heaven is a good life.

Back to the river for some more fishing.:thumbup:


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
    #9196714 - 11/06/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Also works if you take the f out of life, too.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9196715 - 11/06/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

If random exists give me one example.  I can't.  this is why I have this faith.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
    #9196721 - 11/06/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Damn straight.  Even if it doesn't loop, fishing is a good bet.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196726 - 11/06/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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If random exists give me one example.  I can't.  this is why I have this faith.




An electron is a probability field; is this not random?

Radioactive decay is also an example of a random phenomenon.


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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
    #9196736 - 11/06/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Those are random because science said so.  Think of the limitations of science.

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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: xFrockx]
    #9196749 - 11/06/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Define random for me.  I agree that it's bothersome to think that things may occur without any predictability whatsoever, but so far we can model reality very accurately by including randomness into our equations.


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