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myriadeyes
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: mofo]
#9162645 - 10/31/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a complete joke and lie. Constantine was an idiot. He's the whole reason we have the Catholic church, who has persecuted real Christians since it's conception.
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myriadeyes
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: blewmeanie]
#9162651 - 10/31/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you aren't attached to this world, and realize in the end all physical things are impermanent, you are freed from all suffering
Wouldnt realizing you are attached to this world, and hence impermanent yourself make more sense?
By not being attached to this world, I meant a soul that was truly created for life after death. In this way, you can lose all the feelings of attachment to the now realizing you weren't made to be fully satisfied and sustained by them.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: myriadeyes]
#9162682 - 10/31/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds more like escapism to me. Real inner peace is attainable in this life.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: myriadeyes]
#9163344 - 10/31/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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myriadeyes said: Unfortunately, this hard evidence you've found I have not seen. But the idea of microevolution and adaptation in no way disproves the Judeo-Christian God. As far millions of years and all that, I don't think that's hard evidence either. It's been proven that enviromental factors drastically effect the half life and apparent age of elements. If a deluge really happened, which is a major story retained by many cultures all over the world, the immense pressure created would drastically change how old the earth appears to be by our dating methods. I'm not counting out that the world is possibly millions of years old, but just because it's been tested time and time again doesn't mean it's reliable, the tests could be faulty. Maybe man evolved from bacterial piss and semen, but I still find there to be evidence that our complexity hints at design. How did men and women evolve independently and simultaneously and still work key-in-lock when having sex? All of the necessary mechanisms work like a charm - if there were the tiniest differences between the two, it wouldn't work. I personally am not sure how that's possible. Evolved instead of designed? How, by chance? All it is is a mathmatical term defining what might happen next. It doesn't drive any type of creation or evolution, it must be driven by something.
Well, men and women didn't evolve independently at all... this wouldn't even make sense. We evolved together as we're a two-sex species; males cannot procreate without females and vice-versa. And you're saying all the necessary mechanisms work like a charm? How so? The whole point of evolution is that whatever genetic mechanisms work, work to survive and procreate to the next generation--those that do not, die out. Even today we're seeing people being born sterile, deformed, mentally retarded, trans-gender, or being born without good survival traits. It's more likely that these people's genes won't get passed on to the next generation, ensuring that those with good genetic tendencies will.
Also, evolution is driven by something: chance and natural selection. Random mutations occur all the time. Those that favor the offspring (in terms of increasing its survival rate and chances at procreation) are those mutations that are more likely to be kept. Those that don't, are less likely to continue on the next generation. There's no guiding hand here; only millions upon millions of years that ensure that whatever works, will work.
Some good books on the subject that I'd recommend are The Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins--really has a comprehensive overview of evolution and argument against intelligent design. As for the Deluge argument, the occurrence of a global flood is not supported by any credible scientist whatsoever, although there is some evidence to support that there was a localized flood from the Mediterranean Sea into the Black Sea in about 5800 BCE which gave rise to so many Flood myths. Even so, this does nothing to disprove the fact that the Earth is 4.8 billion years old, which has been verified by countless geological techniques.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html#flood
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9163376 - 10/31/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#9163487 - 10/31/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#9163695 - 10/31/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Which came first; this or Discordianism?
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9163704 - 10/31/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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More importantly which one has more of an affiliation with filthy hippies.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9164037 - 10/31/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Cypher said: Which came first; this or Discordianism?
Discordianism.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#9164834 - 10/31/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
#9164841 - 10/31/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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came before that, actually.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9164908 - 10/31/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm really in to fish It's been one of the few constants in my life.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: deCypher]
#9165491 - 10/31/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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ensuring that those with good genetic tendencies will.
Really? Go to Walmart or the mall in the middle of the day during the week and check out the women with the most kids in tow, and then make that statement.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9165503 - 10/31/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like 'em rotund.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: Icelander]
#9165516 - 10/31/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm really in to fish It's been one of the few constants in my life.
Nothing beats torturing lower life forms with barbed steel.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#9165599 - 10/31/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Except torturing higher life forms with barbed words.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: blewmeanie]
#9165788 - 10/31/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective consciousness which spans the cosmos
we are one being playing a game with its self where it makes it seem like there are others but realy its all just you.(or me)
i am you and you are me. we or one.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: cowchips902]
#9165908 - 10/31/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its called cosmic consciousness.........I thought it was just called schizophrenia.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: blewmeanie]
#9165916 - 10/31/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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its called what ever you want it to be called..... I mean after all you made it.
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Re: So I'm in the market for a belief system... [Re: cowchips902]
#9165957 - 10/31/08 07:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I choose to call it goatse.....thus saith me.
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