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Plasmid
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: publicenemy1]
#9246021 - 11/14/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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publicenemy1 said: I said that in the one case of it the man dies from LSD causing his respiratory systems to fail.
That paper is titled: LSD Toxicity: A Suspected Cause of Death
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i never speculated an amount as to where lsd overdose occurs, only that it is higher than 12,000 ugs because it would be a lot higher in humans.
That's the speculation I was referring to. It doesn't necessarily work that way.
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the proof in whether or not lsd's lethal dose is in the memoirs of chinacat and other followers of the dead tour involved in lsd crystal business.
This sentence doesn't really make any sense. What are you trying to say? Re-read it, because it just doesn't make sense. It sounds like you're saying that chinacat's thread establishes whether or not LSD has a lethal dose, but I don't think that's what you mean.
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if you don't believe them then there's nothing i can do but say read the material.
I have read the material. How could I not believe something without having read it? I don't believe it. I don't believe it because I have read his threads. I think his threads are full of lots of mythology.
There no proof of anything in his threads. That's what I think.
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youre a lazy piece shit ya know? how could you not find anything on the matter?
I searched. I didn't find it. Maybe if you paid me more I'd do more work. Since when am I obligated to do exercises for you? I'm lazy? How do you know I didn't search for the paper because I wanted to go for a bike ride? You don't. Shut up.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: Plasmid]
#9246040 - 11/14/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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well how come there's no more cases of lsd overdose that have established a lethal dose? the artical also states suspected cause. they didn't say it WAS the cause but suspected. my claim is that you die from failure respiratory systems, nothing more, nothing less.
to say people haven't taken over 12,000 ugs is absurd considering the lsd-crystal process and business. nothing has proven an lsd lethal dose thus far.
edit: and hey man, its been nice chatting with you but im done. i dont have time to deal with people who act like 8 year-olds in a debate.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: publicenemy1]
#9246257 - 11/14/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why aren't there more cases of an LSD fatal overdose? I suppose because not many people have taken fatal overdoses of LSD. If a typical dose is 50 micrograms and a fatal overdose is as low as 30 milligrams, you'd still 600 hits to overdose.
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to say people haven't taken over 12,000 ugs is absurd considering the lsd-crystal process and business.
I didn't say that. I said that claiming that a lethal dose of LSD is way above 12 mg in humans is speculation.
I can believe that people are stupid enough to do so. Just because a possible handful of people who have done so survived doesn't mean it's a good idea.
And I'll bet you know so much about the lsd-crystal business. What's an average dose, in milligrams and to five decimal points, of a thumbprint? You don't know. I doubt anyone who has supposedly taken a thumbprint bothered to wipe it off and weigh it, so, as far as I'm concerned, it's reasonable to speculate that one can probably survive multiple-milligram doses of LSD.
I think taking thumbprints is downright stupid.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: publicenemy1]
#9248888 - 11/15/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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publicenemy1 said: I never said that it was impossible not to die from LSD.
I said that in the one case of it the man dies from LSD causing his respiratory systems to fail.
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?A=ShowDocPartFrame&ID=1389&DocPartID=1151
here's the dose chart. their sources are at the bottom.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_dose.shtml
it says that lethal dose killed 50% of tested animals which included lab rats and mice. i never speculated an amount as to where lsd overdose occurs, only that it is higher than 12,000 ugs because it would be a lot higher in humans. the proof in whether or not lsd's lethal dose is in the memoirs of chinacat and other followers of the dead tour involved in lsd crystal business. if you don't believe them then there's nothing i can do but say read the material.
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in this link on erowid it says some contradictory stuff:
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predictions of the average lethal dose for humans have ranged from 0.2 mg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg, administered orally.
which means for humans it is ESTIMNATED that the LD 50 will be at a dose of 15 milligrams to 90 milligrams for an average adult human. this is between 500 to a thousand times the dose on a blotter.
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LD50 (Lethal Dose*) 12,000 ug
12 milligrams which is lower yet than the lowest estimate that they provided on a mg/kg basis.
note, they call it an ESTIMATE.
with psilocybin, a recreational dose is 10–50 mg, and the ld50 is around 280mg/kg or 4000-6000 mg. (taken from wikepedia)
although these are much higher amounts (at least 50 times higher than the lsd amounts to threashold or to die), the ratio for LD-50 is also pretty close to 500 to 1000 times the recreational dose.
ergo one might say these compounds are equally non-dangerous at realistically obtainable dosages. in any case, the recreational dosages for both psilocybin and LSD are radically lower by 3 orders of magnitude from something that might disrupt breathing or life.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: clemens]
#12331936 - 04/04/10 08:42 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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clemens said: Mushrooms make me trip way harder than LSD. What do you think?
Eat a ten strip!!
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: drr]
#12332222 - 04/04/10 09:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm, this thread and the Shroomery in general have made me curious to try LSD. I've only done mushrooms, and only twice. The first time was a whole 1/8th, but purposely not that strong, and I ate it throughout increments but still had a nice, introspective peak. It was intensely euphoric and I felt great for weeks afterwords.
Now...the second time I got ahold of an eighth of some cubies, I wanted to really break through. So I lemon tekked the 3.5 dried grams, but I didn't have anything to grind the mushrooms with, so I cut them up as best as I could. But I still let them soak in pure lemon juice and then drank down the solid cup of lemon juice. It sucked but I didn't get sick, at least. Took two hours for the peak to hit but it hit all at once, especially right after I took 4-5 bong hits of some potent bud through a bong. The experience was intense. I lost reality and experienced everything at once...for a good four hours.
I haven't tried LSD, but I just strongly doubt that any substance can produce such an amazing experience again...it was just perfection. From the sound of this thread, I'd need an entire thumbprint for an LSD trip of that level, and that doesn't sound very safe. Also, expensive, I'm sure.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12332250 - 04/04/10 09:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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old thread
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: drr]
#12332253 - 04/04/10 09:26 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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drr said:
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clemens said: Mushrooms make me trip way harder than LSD. What do you think?
Eat a ten strip!!
Dude, leave dead threads alone. Look at the dates before you post. This wasnt a bad thread to resurrect or anything, it's just that you brought it back to make a moot suggestion.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: Trim]
#12332394 - 04/04/10 09:58 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whoooa!!!
Seriously though Im sorry, I could have sworn I found this on the main page. Must have been one of those ones that show up when your looking at a thread..you know how it can happen on accident? Well I feel like an idiot now good thing none of this actually matters!
peace
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: drr]
#12332516 - 04/04/10 10:27 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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drr said: Whoooa!!!
Seriously though Im sorry, I could have sworn I found this on the main page. Must have been one of those ones that show up when your looking at a thread..you know how it can happen on accident? Well I feel like an idiot now good thing none of this actually matters!
peace
Yeah, it's all good. This was a pretty interesting read. Just check out those dates next time brotha.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: Trim]
#12335101 - 04/05/10 12:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Generally for me, LSD is more intense than shrooms. Purely because it stimulates my mind so much. The rushing of thoughts, etc. Shrooms tend to be more relaxing for me.
However, the most intense 'moment' ive ever had out of the two drugs was on shrooms. I had eaten 7g of cubensis. I was lying in my bed, and literally my room was unrecognisable. Visually, it was the most intense experience i've ever had from shrooms or acid.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: clemens]
#12335355 - 04/05/10 12:49 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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clemens said: Mushrooms make me trip way harder than LSD. What do you think?
i think LSD causes me to trip way harder.
i experience the void with lsd. but i experience it involuntarily.
with mushrooms i am able to be comfortable.
lsd takes comfort away. and shows me things i never wanted to see.
i guess that is the beauty of it!
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: pong]
#12335534 - 04/05/10 01:17 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lsd trips are about me. Mushroom trips are about the world. Thats as basic as i could possibly describe the differences for me.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: Trim]
#12336668 - 04/05/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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Trim said:
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drr said: Whoooa!!!
Seriously though Im sorry, I could have sworn I found this on the main page. Must have been one of those ones that show up when your looking at a thread..you know how it can happen on accident? Well I feel like an idiot now good thing none of this actually matters!
peace
Yeah, it's all good. This was a pretty interesting read. Just check out those dates next time brotha.
Do whatever the hell you want. Im glad you brought this one back. It's an internet forum. Dont let these tools pull you into these lame shroomery politics. A thread is a thread.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: CounterCulturest]
#12374121 - 04/11/10 06:05 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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i have just never really tripped very hard off real LSD
My friends would take 2 hits and trip for 12 hours and I would eat 3 and trip for 6 maybe and when I started to comedown I would be like, "thats it, its over?"
With mushrooms by the time im coming down im thinking, "thank god, I really thought I did it that time".
Never get that with real LSD
But I have taken DOB which was very similar to LSD for me but allowed me trip way harder
My few DOB trips made me realize why LSD is so awesome, even tho its not LSD, DOB is pretty damn similar
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: clemens]
#12374186 - 04/11/10 06:21 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you think mushrooms are better than LSD, then you clearly haven't dosed enough LSD.
But on the other hand, if you think LSD is better than mushrooms, you clearly haven't dosed enough mushrooms.
They're two different trips though. Mushrooms are a guided journey into your psyche. Great for meditation and going places you might not want to go. But those places teach you things you never could have known about yourself otherwise.
LSD is more of your own journey into your psyche. You can read your subconscious like a book, find out why you do the things you do, and actively work to change yourself for the better.
They're both incredible drugs, and are both infinitely valuable.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: clemens]
#12374801 - 04/11/10 10:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would be like, "thats it, its over?"
I feel as though a mushroom trip is a journey while my acid trip was more just psychedelic effects behind what I was already doing. If I sat down and devoted some concentration to the acid, my mind could slip back. With mushrooms, the trip is very demanding and difficult to simply integrate into my plans/routines.
my acid trip didn't feel nearly as psychedelic and detached as "equivalent" doses of mushrooms have. Perhaps a stronger dose of acid must be in order for me in the future to gain deeper insight into the characteristics of these substances individually.
I like that this thread started a year ago Bold move Myk
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: Mykologist]
#12379731 - 04/12/10 05:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see people react a lot more to LSD then I do
I have had friends trip for hours and hours on two hits of acid and I would take 5 hits and not reach their level
On the other hand I react pretty normally to DOB and a DOB trip will take me farther then I wanted to go
different strokes for different folks
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: clemens]
#12379768 - 04/12/10 05:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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clemens said: LSD produces less hallucinogenic effects for me. Every mushroom experience I have I feel like I am about to die. When I am on mushrooms I just want to comedown. LSD leaves me wanting more
havent had a big enough dose of LSD, keep trying.
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Re: I am just going to say this, Mushrooms are more trippy than LSD [Re: AntiEverything]
#12380455 - 04/12/10 07:14 PM (13 years, 11 months ago) |
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With LSD I feel like I'm tripping.
With mushrooms, I'm all over the shop.
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