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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibledeCypher
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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9148614 - 10/28/08 11:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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lines said: If someone is feeling worried about something there is a good possibility that the thing they are worried about is something they should be worried about.




The example of death anxiety refutes this.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9148867 - 10/29/08 12:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
these are transitional efforts.
emotion is always an effort to change mind or change place/way of experiencing.
Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow are flight style reactions to transient or persistent stimuli that are negative in some way.
"get me outta here"






And the Paradox is, for the case of anxiety, that these "flight style reactions" are the very cause of the problem. So fear of fear itself?

How does one get out of this circular paradox I ask?




there seems to be no "simple trick" for getting out of the narrows when OCD gets bad.
there is lots of feedback going on and a concerted effort to rise up and be rational.
the crisis is astonishingly like level 5 in salvia with less drunkeness, or spazdicity, although it can totally interfere with getting stuff done.

any glance towards any part of it causes more associative resonance and brings it on more.

it serves to have an out, a distraction, or alternate involvement.
one can get and must get creative about staging relief stations along the way.

anything marked as an anti-ocd thing will eventually be a trigger, so shifting is necessary.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Icelander]
    #9148956 - 10/29/08 12:35 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Just because something is subjective doesn't mean its not real. For example if I was starving to death that would be a problem.

In writing this I am not suggesting that hallucinations are real.




How is starving subjective? I could observe you starving and so could anyone else. That would make it objective reality.




Earlier you said problems don't exist because a person can choose not to accept it as a problem.

Starving isn't subjective I agree. Calling it a problem is a subjective thing though. However the fact that a problem is a subjective thing does not mean that it is not a problem. Problems are both real and subjective.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: deCypher]
    #9148988 - 10/29/08 12:41 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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The Cypher said:
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lines said: If someone is feeling worried about something there is a good possibility that the thing they are worried about is something they should be worried about.




The example of death anxiety refutes this.




So are you suggesting that due to the fact people worry about dying when they get older that this means that other worries are not useful?

Is your reasoning that: the exception to the general occurrence negates the general occurrence? ... This is flawed reasoning.

If you have to pay the bills and if there is something you havent taken care of and you got to take care of it soon generally one will feel anxiety and this is a good motivation to get the job done. Most anxieties are useful.

I think that death anxiety is useful too. It motivates people to try and figure out ways of extending human life. Who knows maybe physical immortality is even possible.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9149724 - 10/29/08 02:38 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This seems a suitable method of coping, but my spiritual path is hopefully leading to the permanent fix :smile:


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9150382 - 10/29/08 04:30 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I get depressed when cause i feel anxiety all the time and then i get mad that im depressed, anger helps to
relieve me of feelings of anxiety.... i think i could do fine without any of these :tongue:


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9150725 - 10/29/08 05:33 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
This seems a suitable method of coping, but my spiritual path is hopefully leading to the permanent fix :smile:



bravo,
finding the path of impermanence is almost like a fix
but you have to keep finding it.
which is a good thing too.
it is way better than trying to escape
or complaining that you can't


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