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Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow.
    #9147746 - 10/28/08 08:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What are your thoughts and opinions on Anxiety Depression and Anger? Are these emotions or are they simply attempts to distract us from our real emotions?

It seems to me that real emotion is more of a feeling and is not a thought based process. Whereas anxiety rage and depressions are very much based around thinking and not feeling. Do you believe these thought based patterns are simply distraction techniques because we are brought up afraid to "feel"? This is how i feel. I think it is possible to stop these thought processes by getting in touch with our feeling emotions and changing our realationships with them. This can be hard given the social stigma against emotions.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9147760 - 10/28/08 08:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Sure, I'll also add that I think that anxiety, depression, and anger are selfish whereas joy and other similar emotions are selfless.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Nexion]
    #9147829 - 10/28/08 09:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think that Fear, rage or sorrow and grief are selfish emotions? This has not been my experience.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Nexion]
    #9147840 - 10/28/08 09:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I strongly disagree with the notion that anxiety, anger, and sadness are not real emotions. I also disagree with the notion that they are not useful.

All of our feelings and emotions whether positive or negative are all based in the senses. Feelings and emotions are the response of the brain to our sensations... and our feelings and emotions are indicators of the nature of what is happening in a situation.

Our feelings and emotions are not indicators of what is happening in a situation if our feelings and emotions are responses to false information... if our feelings and emotions are based on false information then those feelings and emotions will not be useful at all.

False information is not always presented to people in the form of verbal untruths... sometimes false information is assimilated into the brain when people confuse movie portrayals of certain aspects of reality as being true.

If someone feels anxiety.... I prefer the term worried actually. If someone is feeling worried about something there is a good possibility that the thing they are worried about is something they should be worried about. For example if someone is worried about something relating to food the answer to the issue is to do something to make sure one has enough food stored for one to make meals with... to treat the worry/anxiety as the problem is folly because anxiety is an indicator of a problem... the anxiety is not a problem in and of itself. To try to erase the anxiety is to risk not getting what one needs because the anxiety alerts us to our needs. To fail to acquire food because one thought the anxiety was an issue is folly.

Generally people feel angry when they have been cheated so the experience of anger is an indicator one has been cheated. Anger is never a problem. Problems related to anger only occur if a person lets others know one is angry or if a person starts hitting people as a result of being angry.

Sadness is an indicator one has experienced a loss of some sort. Sadness is also a type of empathy when one feels sad as a result of another persons misfortune.

*I would like to say though that unfortunately people in general are way to fearful and I do think that many atrocities have been committed at the urging of the general public due to the general public being fearful in an irrational way. Society is filled with people who experience many many irrational fears.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9147857 - 10/28/08 09:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Which is the more common characteristic, fear or laziness?


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Nexion]
    #9147869 - 10/28/08 09:15 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Fear seems universal.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Icelander]
    #9147885 - 10/28/08 09:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Which do you think more people give into?

How many achievements and advancements have been avoided due to peoples inability to overcome fear and laziness?


Edited by Nexion (10/28/08 09:19 PM)


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Nexion]
    #9147895 - 10/28/08 09:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Fear again. I think most of humanity is terrified.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9147905 - 10/28/08 09:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

When i say Anger or Depression or Anxiety i am talking about something that to me appears to play a blame game. Depression and sadness are two different beasts. States of depression anger and anxiety feel emotionless to me. I do not believe they are "feeling" states like Rage fear and Sorrow. They seem to be thinking states and the thinking and analysing brings this emotions down into a viscious cycle and they become negative rather than the positive release that they are meant to be. Crying seems not to be a thinking state but a feeling state.

I am attempting to outline that there is probably a difference between the thinking state and the feeling state. Anxiety and fear appear to be very different to me.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Icelander]
    #9147910 - 10/28/08 09:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I can't help but be ruled by my emotions, despite the fact that I preach mind over matter. It's hard to overcome the chemistry going on in your brain, which is of course what governs your emotions. I'm one of those people who don't have a healthily balanced brain chemistry going on, but I refuse to take meds for it. Someone I know constantly tells me "I control the way I think" and that "You can change the way you think." I respond by saying that that's fucking ridiculous.

Some people simply do not have as much control over their emotions/thoughts as others do.

I self-medicate with ganja.

Quote:

It seems to me that real emotion is more of a feeling and is not a thought based process.




Well, this is how I look at it. Sometimes, brain chemistry begets the feelings we feel - thus, emotions based on internal stimuli. Other times, something will happen to us, or in front of us, to make us feel a certain way, begetting the way our brain chemistry reacts to that external stimulus.

I think all of our emotions have a function and are real, but one can't forget that sometimes our brains get out of whack. And some people's brains are ALWAYS out of whack.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9147917 - 10/28/08 09:23 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I believe Fear and Love are the two emotions that every other emotion stems from.

It should be our lives goal to choose love over fear.

Its not easy, but possible. I would not say that these emotions are selfish, but rather self inflicted.

My personal experiences with anxiety have shown me that it is very real, and can manifest on the physical level.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9147931 - 10/28/08 09:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I kinda agree.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #9147934 - 10/28/08 09:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Indeed, fear and love are the polar opposites. One might say "hate" is the polar opposite of love, but you have to look at the origins of hate. Usually it's based on an ignorant, unfound fear of whatever the hate is directed towards.

People generally fear what they don't understand.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #9147940 - 10/28/08 09:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Grapefruit said:
When i say Anger or Depression or Anxiety i am talking about something that to me appears to play a blame game.





Sometimes there are people to blame for certain problems.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9147970 - 10/28/08 09:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

They may have caused the situation but you decide if it's a problem or not.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Icelander]
    #9147983 - 10/28/08 09:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Just because something is subjective doesn't mean its not real. For example if I was starving to death that would be a problem.

In writing this I am not suggesting that hallucinations are real.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9148052 - 10/28/08 09:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I was being a little hasty with the 'selfish' assumption.

For me depression comes when I feel like my actions are mundane. So, I would agree with the 'thought-based' notion of depression.

Anger, to me, still seems selfish. Even if someone does something that offends, aggravates, hurts your feelings, etc it's still your choice on how to react to it. Getting mad and trying to get revenge or any other form of release seems selfish. Just let it go, you'll live longer. Anger causes stress, stress is :nono:


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: lines]
    #9148067 - 10/28/08 09:47 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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lines said:
Just because something is subjective doesn't mean its not real. For example if I was starving to death that would be a problem.

In writing this I am not suggesting that hallucinations are real.




How is starving subjective? I could observe you starving and so could anyone else. That would make it objective reality.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: Icelander]
    #9148124 - 10/28/08 09:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

these are transitional efforts.
emotion is always an effort to change mind or change place/way of experiencing.
Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow are flight style reactions to transient or persistent stimuli that are negative in some way.
"get me outta here"


for many people this is the resting state
unsatisfactoryness - dhukkha.
this underpins the idea of sangsara.
abiding in suffering.
one can look at the human condition and look at habit.


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Re: Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9148260 - 10/28/08 10:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
these are transitional efforts.
emotion is always an effort to change mind or change place/way of experiencing.
Anxiety/Fear, Anger/Rage, Depression/Sorrow are flight style reactions to transient or persistent stimuli that are negative in some way.
"get me outta here"






And the Paradox is, for the case of anxiety, that these "flight style reactions" are the very cause of the problem. So fear of fear itself?

How does one get out of this circular paradox I ask?


Edited by c0sm0nautt (10/28/08 10:38 PM)


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