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LouiseLouise
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Workman]
#9024874 - 10/03/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Workman]
#9024928 - 10/03/08 05:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting...
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Psilocybe caerulescens from SE USA - not seen since 1923 [Re: Workman]
#9025810 - 10/03/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spores: subrhomboid 6.6-8.2 microns Cheilocystidia: 16.4-22.3 microns Pleurocystidia: absent
Psilocybe weilii has smaller spores and abundant pleurocystidia. This specimen keys out solidly as Psilocybe caerulescens which is not unknown in the SE United States. P. caerulescens was first described by Murrill from Alabama in 1923 and as far as I can tell it hasn't been reported from anywhere in the US since. This sample could be a remnant of that first described collection. Samples should be sent to a herbarium to officially document the find.
The gill edge, populated by the cheilocystidia, is distinctly blue when rehydrated in 2% KOH. The cheilocystidia themselves have a characteristic band near the apex.
 Gill edge - low magnification.
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Page 107 TGP
14a and 14b Cheilocystidia should be Pleurocystidia in both cases.
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Edited by Workman (10/03/08 09:34 PM)
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Workman]
#9025830 - 10/03/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Incredible! So this is the same species that cactu finds in Mexico then, albeit a different variation?
I didn't know that it could display such a blue-silver colour. Has that been documented before?
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Juke Adro
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Workman]
#9025831 - 10/03/08 08:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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And that just as well sums it up.
Great work...(pause)...man
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Juke Adro]
#9025857 - 10/03/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow good stuff
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Juke Adro]
#9025862 - 10/03/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
cactu said:
congratulations 
And Welcome to the Shroomery
iam curious weilli grow in a big area that still is mapping every year, what state are you in , this is important since the only other thing that can be is psilocybe caerulescens
good work workman , but those are villarealae ,

just kidding ..
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: cactu]
#9025873 - 10/03/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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cactu knew all along!
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: wisp]
#9025938 - 10/03/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is the same species as found in Mexico and has also been reported from Venezuela and Brazil. It is a widespread and variable species and several colors and forms were once given variety status.
var. nigripes - black form var. alba - white form var. caerulescens - mild to odorless, robust (still valid per Guzman) var. mazatecorum - farinaceous odor-taste, robust var. ombrophila - mushroom not robust(still valid per Guzman)
Of the two valid varieties, this collection would fall under var. caerulescens.
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Workman]
#9026041 - 10/03/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bravo, bravo javascript:void(0)
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Gwero]
#9026107 - 10/03/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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amazing find and great job workman
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: fishfarmin]
#9027705 - 10/04/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome, i was hoping someone would find this species in the U.S again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulescens_var._caerulescens
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: HerbBaker]
#9028598 - 10/04/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only reason this sample was determined to be different from P. weilii is because of the microscopic examination. The two species are macroscopically virtually indistinguishable. I suspect that many of the "weilii" collections are actually unrecognized caerulescens or a mix between the two species. Further microscopic examinations of various collections is needed.
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: SEmushroomHunter]
#9097185 - 10/18/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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yup, GOOD weilii
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Mitchnast]
#9114695 - 10/22/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow Pretty cool stuff.
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Mitchnast
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: Mitchnast]
#9114754 - 10/22/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, not weilii? should have read the whole thing first time.
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: SEmushroomHunter]
#9140249 - 10/27/08 01:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, "those look like Ps. weilii" was my first thought when I saw cactu's Ps. caerulescens and also some of the Ps. villarrealiae photos.
They're in the same Section, Cordisporae, so the similarities aren't too bizarre... Really awesome looking mushroom, I love the green/metallic colour.
Sorry I'm just now dropping in.
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Re: Silvery-blue cap, bruising blue, purplish print, SE usa. [Re: CureCat]
#9140457 - 10/27/08 03:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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F.N.A. nice finds..and very interesting!!
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Edited by dickenz07 (10/27/08 03:18 AM)
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