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paladin9
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Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help?
#9135282 - 10/26/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys. Anyone with info on HBWR, especially dosing sublingually, I'd appreciate your opinion.
50 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds were purchased from BBB. Both tries were from the same batch.
First try: 7 powdered seeds, stirred with 1 teaspoon lemon juice and 1 teaspoon municipal tap water in a shot glass. I let it sit for 30 minutes, then held under my tongue for 30 minutes. I produced a whole lot of saliva, but I spit it all out at the end of the 30 mins and did not swallow any liquid or solid.
Slight onset of threshold body symptoms within 30 minutes, similar to mild intoxication. No nausea, no cramps noted. Attempted redosing using same method with 2 and then 3 powdered seeds at 1hr and 2hr mark was unsuccessful and produced no noticeable improvement. Baseline was achieved by 3hr mark.
Second Try: 10 powdered seeds, same lemon juice/water setup. This time I let the mixture sit overnight, stirring periodically, and by the next day much of the water had either been absorbed or evaporated, making the mix slightly gelatinous.
I shoveled the considerably thicker mixture under my tongue and held for 30 minutes then spat it out. Again, no liquid or solid was swallowed. At about 30min, same threshold mild intoxication, minor stomach "odd feeling", minor change in thought patterns. No cramps were felt. A large bowl of marijuana was smoked at 45min, making me quite high but producing no strengthening of LSA-type effects. No redosing was attempted, baseline was achieved at approx. 3hr mark.
Okay. So what did I do wrong here, guys? I did my homework in the forum archives and on Erowid before I dosed. Based on numerous reports, I have no desire to eat these things if I can help it.
Several other people reported consistent success using the sublingual lemon juice/water method, adding three seeds to the usual oral dose. So for me, this should have been a Light dose and a Common/Strong dose, and it ended up being a Nothing/Threshold and a Threshold.
Any ideas would be appreciated. I defer to the wisdom of experience.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: paladin9]
#9135287 - 10/26/08 01:58 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a similar issue. Some people will stand by the sublingual technique but it didn't seem to do shit. I woke up at about the 6 hour mark in quite the daze, but I attribute that to just having woken up with minor LSA effects in action.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: paladin9]
#9135289 - 10/26/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you should make sure that your seeds are active before trying the sublingual dose. Just do a simple extraction and drink it
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Noteworthy]
#9135291 - 10/26/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I knew my seeds were active. I ate 8 of them and tripped balls, with the addition of the unpleasant stomach cramping and vomiting.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Noteworthy]
#9135294 - 10/26/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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SWIM usually finds that it starts to peak AT the 3 hour mark...and he just chews up the seeds in his mouth..and holds everything there for 20 minutes..and then spits out..and he gets effects every time...nice and subtle but nice...and not crazy
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Jorkest]
#9135296 - 10/26/08 02:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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So maybe if someone were to hold like... 20 or 25 in their mouth at one time for about half an hour, they could experience some more serious effects?
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Innoculus]
#9135312 - 10/26/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not sure how fun that would be...at higher doses...it gets very...hmm paniky..and anxious...try throwing in a few drops of peppermint oil in your mouth while you hold about 9 seeds in your mouth...it may help;)
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Jorkest]
#9135322 - 10/26/08 02:17 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have generally found that MG seeds, which share some of the same active ingredients, last as long as or even longer than LSD and, like LSD, takes about 3 hours post-ingestion to start peaking.
I have only once tried to trip off the seeds by chewing them. I chew for about 20 minutes and spat the seeds out when finished. I did not use many seeds, but they worked just as well as when ground up and swallowed.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Noteworthy]
#9135327 - 10/26/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Water or 91% Isopropyl? I'm trying to avoid the trip-ruining cramps/nausea/vomiting that cause a good 50% of first time HBRW/MG trippers to not dose LSA ever again.
As I understand it, the sedative (as opposed to stimulant) nature of an LSA trip can make for a rather shitty combination with the cramps/nausea/vomiting and often result in a ruined trip spent massaging cramped muscles on the bathroom floor.
If I can cut those three symptoms, I have no worries, but they seem almost 100% guaranteed for any kind of regular ingestion, even extracts.
Edit: Also, seeing as how I haven't managed to build up enough ergot in my muscles for cramps yet (or much of anything for that matter), do you think I can safely attempt a retry dose soon? Dose 1 was yesterday evening, second dose was today afternoon.
Edited by paladin9 (10/26/08 02:26 AM)
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Plasmid]
#9135329 - 10/26/08 02:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm generally pretty good about not getting panicky. But... I'm also quite impatient with things not working.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: paladin9]
#9135401 - 10/26/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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paladin9 said: I'm trying to avoid the trip-ruining cramps/nausea/vomiting that cause a good 50% of first time HBRW/MG trippers to not dose LSA ever again. . . . If I can cut those three symptoms,
I believe that the cramping is due to the vasoconstrictive actions of the lysergic acid amides (LSAs). I do not enjoy more than a medium dose of MG seeds because my hands start to feel "tight" and turn bluish-purple. I get some leg crams and the veins in my arms become noticeably constricted. This aspect is simply a part of the experience.
I never found that they made me nauseas for more than an hour. I used to grind the seeds, soak in water and filter (or strain).
I never found the LSAs to produce sedative effects. YMMV. It certainly did not have a stimulant effect like LSD, but it didn't really make me sleepy.
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Plasmid]
#9136174 - 10/26/08 10:46 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plasmid said:
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paladin9 said: I'm trying to avoid the trip-ruining cramps/nausea/vomiting that cause a good 50% of first time HBRW/MG trippers to not dose LSA ever again. . . . If I can cut those three symptoms,
I believe that the cramping is due to the vasoconstrictive actions of the lysergic acid amides (LSAs). I do not enjoy more than a medium dose of MG seeds because my hands start to feel "tight" and turn bluish-purple. I get some leg crams and the veins in my arms become noticeably constricted. This aspect is simply a part of the experience.
I never found that they made me nauseas for more than an hour. I used to grind the seeds, soak in water and filter (or strain).
I never found the LSAs to produce sedative effects. YMMV. It certainly did not have a stimulant effect like LSD, but it didn't really make me sleepy.
try it with some peppermint oil...it changes the experience...
its possible that the LSA is turning into LSH when you use peppermint oil...and LSH is more similar to LSD
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Re: Sublingual HBWR dosing is a total bust. Help? [Re: Jorkest]
#9137005 - 10/26/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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try it with some peppermint oil...it changes the experience...
See my criticisms of these claims in the thread in another forum, "LSH for the curious."
I don't believe that your claims about the peppermint oil changing the experience can be taken seriously.
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its possible that the LSA is turning into LSH when you use peppermint oil..
No. Again, see the other post (and to think that I was criticized in the other thread for responding that LSA plus acetaldehyde would not produce LSH - I was criticized because it was already established in that thread that there isn't a good reason to believe that this would produce LSH, yet here is another person making claims about the unsubstantiated LSH production).
Adding peppermint oil to LSA will not produce LSH, in all likelihood. The thread in the other forum established this a while ago.
There is no evidence as to the nature of how peppermint oil reacts with MG/HBWR seed extract. It might only change the experience because you expect it to produce LSH.
The claims about LSA reacting with acetaldehyde to produce are completely unsubstantiated.
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