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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: DannyGlick]
    #9134766 - 10/25/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking that too, but the stipe seems to be the wrong color and it  seems too large to be flavoconia.


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9134775 - 10/25/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yes the stalk is white. Flavoconia should be yellow(ish)...


I think it's a big-ass Fly.


Did you pull it out completely or just cut above ground?


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9134780 - 10/25/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I twisted the base of the bulbus part of the stem, and pulled it out so that the bulbous part was intact, but whatever was underneath it is still in the ground.

Edited by OregonHerbalist (10/25/08 11:34 PM)

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9134784 - 10/25/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I was thinking that too, but the stipe seems to be the wrong color and it  seems too large to be flavoconia.




Yea way too big eh?:tongue:

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: DannyGlick]
    #9134797 - 10/25/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I found what I believe to be A. Phalloides today.

this is kinda off topic but whatever  :shrug:


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9134803 - 10/25/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I heard there was a var. of muscaria that lacked the shaggy rings at the base on this site once. Can't remember where...


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9134807 - 10/25/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Cool.Never found that one yet.:smirk:

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: DannyGlick]
    #9134810 - 10/25/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I got another pic showing the base beter..

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: OregonHerbalist]
    #9134835 - 10/25/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Just reading that:
A. muscaria var. formosa has yellow-orange cap.
A. muscaria var. flavivolvata has yellow universal veil.


Hope this helps nail it!


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: OregonHerbalist]
    #9134847 - 10/25/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't suggest you consume that mushroom.Seeing as how much debate as to what it could be.You know that though.


I can't see rings on the base so I won't say muscaria,even though they may have been worn away.


There are some good Amanita identifiers here(I'm not one),I'm sure one will pop in and help you out sooner or later.

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9134851 - 10/25/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

we are not confused by the color of the cap, but by the lack of rings on the stipe.


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9134904 - 10/25/08 11:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

dont eat that fucking monster

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: OregonHerbalist]
    #9134950 - 10/26/08 12:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Formosa or guessowii.

I'm doubting guessowii because it's common in The East.


This is a tricky little sucker. We should ask that one lady who's the best identifier in the world.


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9134973 - 10/26/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I really appreciate all the help from you guys.. This forum is great!!

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: OregonHerbalist]
    #9134994 - 10/26/08 12:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just a newb trying to learn. Great forum for sure.


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9135864 - 10/26/08 08:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Formosa or guessowii.

I'm doubting guessowii because it's common in The East.


This is a tricky little sucker. We should ask that one lady who's the best identifier in the world.




I think we have established that we shouldn't be calling it a muscaria var. ANYTHING.


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: Beege]
    #9135967 - 10/26/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like a faded Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata.

I found this interesting..
A 2006 molecular phylogenetic study of different regional populations of A. muscaria by Geml, et al. found three distinct clades within this species representing, roughly, Eurasian, Eurasian "subalpine", and North American populations. (Alaska contains examples of all three clades, leading to the hypothesis that this was the center of diversification of this species.) The study also looked at four named varieties of this species; var. alba, var. flavivolvata, var. formosa (including var. guessowii), and var. regalis from both areas. All four varieties were found within both the Eurasian and North American clades, evidence that these morphological forms are simply polymorphisms found throughout the species rather than distinct subspecies or varieties.[19]

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: HerbBaker]
    #9136141 - 10/26/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm. That's pretty interesting.

So even if the species is one, and not separate as the snippet reads. Which of the three clades is it??


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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9136241 - 10/26/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It would be part of the North American clade/group.

The data suggests the three clades represent cryptic phylogenetic species with partially overlapping geographic distributions rather than being allopatric populations. All phylogenetic species share at least two morphological varieties with other species, suggesting ancestral polymorphism in pileus and wart colour pre-dating their speciations. 

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Re: Found a nice Amanita today.. [Re: HerbBaker]
    #9138012 - 10/26/08 05:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks everyone...
Warriorsoul, im about 80% leaning towards the  Amanita muscaria var. flavivolvata?

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