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mushroomhunter10
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Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant?
#9122667 - 10/23/08 06:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let's say for instance you buy a large tub from a department store. Similar to the large tubs that cultivators use to store their cakes or casings. Tupperware or whatever.
Create a sort of shelving system inside that consists of grating, or grated material. Similar to the grilling surface of an outdoor charcoal grill.
Place desiccant cans at the bottom of the tub. Set grating in, with mushrooms on them of course. I think there could be multiple levels of grating installed if desired.
Fill tub with enough Argon to displace most of the Oxygen through a hole that can be plugged/sealed/whatever. Not sure if Argon is lighter or generally heavier than air. So the intake/exhaust height levels have yet to be determined.
When dry, immediately vacuum seal the mushrooms.
Would this maintain the highest possible Psilocin levels? I have a feeling that it would.
Anybody ever hear of this before? What do you all think?
Thanks!
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9122694 - 10/23/08 06:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't see why this wouldn't help quite a bit. You could always fill your chamber with co2 which is heavier than air and is really easy to produce for a similar effect. They do pump n2o into huge containers with fruits or things that will spoil easy to displace the oxygen and forstall the rot.
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9122738 - 10/23/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would CO2 break down psilocin as well? Not sure. I went for a noble (formerly inert) gas. Although CO2 is used as a shielding gas in welding, argon is more effective. Helium might work too. Xenon is too rare and costs A LOT!
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9122749 - 10/23/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do noble gases affect desiccants' abilities to absorb H2O?
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9122794 - 10/23/08 06:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think psilocin has a higher pull for oxygen than carbon? Either way it has to be better than just plain oxygen floating around in there right? I wasn't saying it would be prime, just that it could help maybe...
Do you think it would render the desiccant useless? Because with no oxygen you don't really have to worry about rot or time I would think. Or maybe if you pumped the gas into your drying chamber the extra time it took would make up for the lack of oxygen?
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: POWAtrippin]
#9122826 - 10/23/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just grow some fresh mushrooms every now and then. You won`t have to worry about this
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: blackclw]
#9122845 - 10/23/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just trying to be inventive. There are some people that store their private stashes for months on end. Figuring out ways to possibly preserve potency for years if possible.
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9122902 - 10/23/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've not noticed a potency loss in dried mushies after years of storage in a ziplock in my dresser drawer, psilocin will degrade regardless
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9122980 - 10/23/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could even put dry ice on the top grates and sprinkle it with table salt. A small hole at the top would let the air escape while the tub fills with CO2.
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9122984 - 10/23/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think psilocin degrades in a vacuum? Regardless if Oxygen is present or not?
If that's the case then this would be futile.
Any chemists know about this?
Thanks
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9123121 - 10/23/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushroomhunter10 said: Do you think psilocin degrades in a vacuum? Regardless if Oxygen is present or not?
If that's the case then this would be futile.
Any chemists know about this?
Thanks
Psilocin is relatively unstable in solution due to its phenolic hydroxy group. In the presence of oxygen it readily forms bluish and dark black degradation products. Similar products are also formed under acidic conditions in the presence of oxygen and Fe3+ ions (Keller's reagent; FeCl3 / methanol / hydrochloric acid).
That's from wikipedia. As for my personal input, I've only ever heard about psilocin degradation by way of heat and oxidation. If at room temperature in a vacuum I don't think it would happen at all.
Edit: An interesting test MIGHT be to find some woodlovers or cubes that weren't very blue, bag em really quick, vacuum seal, and see how blue they get compared to a control group. There's a lot of margin for error in that experiment, though.
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Edited by Echo7 (10/23/08 07:39 PM)
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: Echo7]
#9123397 - 10/23/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lots of variables.
I just wonder if it would work.
More curious than anything.
Thanks.
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9125226 - 10/24/08 05:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Argon is heavier than air - and would displace the oxygen and other atmospheric gases if there was enough in there.. But once you transfer them to a bag, even if you're vacuum-sealing it - you're gonna have oxygen in THAT bag..
Edited by J3illy (10/24/08 05:19 AM)
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: J3illy]
#9125460 - 10/24/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dry your mushrooms cracker dry in a dehydrator, and store in an air tight bag with an oxygen absorber. problem solved. potency loss with dehydrators is negligable. alot mistake a weak batch (multispore) as potenncy loss during drying.
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9125835 - 10/24/08 10:03 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So then a vacuum will not break psilocin down. It seems that Oxygen is psilocin's enemy.
What's an Oxygen absorber?
Thanks!
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9125907 - 10/24/08 10:18 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not to high jack the thread, but how does one go about determining the potency of a particular mushroom without eating it? Once this is determined, I'd take it the best way to continue this potency is to clone said mushroom?
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Re: Potency: Loss prevention drying methods. Argon with desiccant? [Re: juju]
#9125939 - 10/24/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The use of gas chromatography or somebody's brain. Either way, but the former is more accurate than the variables human physiology would provide.
Yes. You can isolate strains. If you like what said strain produces, you can keep it alive and it can be propagated over and over.
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