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webmstr
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Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and...
#9125583 - 10/24/08 08:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did the PFTEK which went flawlessly through incubation thanks to all of your great info. I put these cakes in my FC about a week ago. There are two things Im not sure of.
Sorry these pics are not clear. They were taken with cell phone on my way out the door this morning.
1 - the top of almost every cake has a slight blue color like bruising, but I have not touched them since I put them in. I first noticed this today. I've read things that say this could be too much humidity, not enough and possibly other things...



2 - one has a knot growing - is this the start of a shroom or an indication of something else? Any idea why this is the only one of the 12 cakes in the FC that's doing this?
There is also some stick-like growth coming out of all the cakes, primarily at the top where the bluing is where the verm did not stick.

After looking at the pics, they are total crap, but the last one you can see the growth somewhat. I'll get better pics tonight if needed.
Thanks all for the advice that got me this far and for the advice that follows.
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neybis
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125594 - 10/24/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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bruising can happen alot of times from smacking the jar to get the cake out. This is not in my personal experience but i have had many a g2g transfers bruise on my after shaking the jar to loosen up the grain. As for your "knot" i believe that is actually just myc growth which is completely normal. Hyphal knots are not big like you would suspect, they are tiny little white dots, about the size of the ball in a ball point pen. I might see one but upon blowing up the picture, the quality sucked and it looked more gold/silvery than anything else.
Just be patient, in less than a week they should all have pins if not knots and you will have shroomies in no time
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125612 - 10/24/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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did you dunk them at birth. if they start drying out thet will start to bruise.
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webmstr
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: ROGER5676]
#9125624 - 10/24/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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yep - dunked for 24 hours then rolled in fresh verm. I've been fanning and misting as often as possible. Usually twice in the am before I leave for work, then 4-5-6 times or more in the afternoon and evening. They get no attention from about 7a-6p and 11p-5a on weekdays but this weekend I'm not going anywhere so I'll be able to give them more attention. I do have a fishtank air pump outside the fc attached to a bubbler burried in the perlite. It's a shotgun FC and humidity has never dropped below 85 that I know of (only once that low when I came home late), so I think they get decent humidity and fae while I'm not around.
I'll start misting heavier before I leave for work and go to sleep to give them more moisture to last the longer duration.
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125637 - 10/24/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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fish pump in a shotgun? that's weird. It's like crossing PMP with a shotgun.
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125651 - 10/24/08 09:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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not to hijack, but mainly to sypathize:
I have 12 cakes in a shotgun that are/were in a very similar situation. I had them in my greenhouse for a few days right after the dunk, and the humidity was a little too low, and they may have dried out a bit before going in the shotgun as most of them also have the very same bluing that you describe. it has been about 2 weeks since birth for most of them, and there is only about 4 of them pinning with only a few pins per cake. I think that I should have dunked them again before getting them in the shotgun, but oh well. since some are pinning, i might just get a flush and then redunk. So i think that you are fine, they will flush. Give them a little more time. I would suggest however getting the humidity to near 100% by adding more perlite. Do you have holes on all six sides of terrarium? IS the terrarium raised at least an inch or too off the surface?
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125660 - 10/24/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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After I made the FC, I realized how long I'd be gone during the day and added the pump to help with FAE. Figuring the pump would add some fresh air and keep it from getting too stale.
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: halo251]
#9125682 - 10/24/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The FC is up on a counter in my bathroom, but it's flat on the counter and no holes in the bottom or below the 5" of perlite on the sides.
Humidity according to a calibrated analog hygrometer is typically around 95% except when I first get back to them where it's been 90% give or take with the one time noted above it was 85%.
The bathroom doesn't get much airflow, so I have a box fan in the door blowing out so it cycles the air better. The rest of the house has the windows open with fans in many, so the general air in the house is pretty fresh, but I'll have to seal it up within a couple weeks as it's getting colder. Not sure how much difference that makes, but figured I'd not it since I was posting...
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: webmstr]
#9125708 - 10/24/08 09:32 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would drill 1/4" holes all over the bottom, and sides under the perlite level, then raise the chamber up off the counter with something (i used four empty half pints). the perlite should be wet, but not enough to have water coming out of the holes in the bottom.
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: halo251]
#9125751 - 10/24/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
It's a shotgun FC and humidity has never dropped below 85
That's not enough. You want 95% or better. Get rid of that fish pump. It's screwing up the terrarium.
Re-dunk your cakes and put them back in. If you follow the shotgun terrarium tek, which means holes in the bottom too, humidity and air exchange will be fine whenever you're gone to work all day. Many growers don't fan shotgun terrariums at all, although I recommend fanning anyway whenever you mist, which should be a few times per day. RR
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Re: Advice please - cakes in FC with slight bluing and... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9125775 - 10/24/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sir yes sir! I was hoping I'd hear some pearls of wisdom from the great RR
Redunk for another 24 hours?
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