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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9123841 - 10/23/08 09:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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That's a culture dude.




So are Jews.
Or Indians.
Or Africans.
Really the argument can be made either way.
It's stupid one way or the other.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9123871 - 10/23/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Having said that, I love native Americans and I'd love to find me a majority-blooded native American chick.:grin:




you'd be better off without one, my grandmother shot one
husband and sliced another from shoulder to hip, as a people
we're pretty even tempered but once we're pushed too far or
threatened, be gone, because we are not at all nice when
we dole out the punishment




I know and I recognize that, my step-mother is half native, she's very temperamental with my father, but that's because he's a complete drunk jerk, and I don't talk to him anymore because of it, but she's beat the fuck outta him several times. I just can't get over the beauty of some native women, their cultural background just adds even more to it for me.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: DragonChaser]
    #9123878 - 10/23/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's the same species adapted to different climates.  99.9% of all humanity shares the same genes.  That remaining 0.1% has to be divided between everything from person A has can roll his tongue and person B can't, to A is white and B is black.  There isn't enough of a genetic difference for humans to be biologically classified as different races.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9123894 - 10/23/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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It's the same species adapted to different climates.  99.9% of all humanity shares the same genes.  That remaining 0.1% has to be divided between everything from person A has can roll his tongue and person B can't, to A is white and B is black.  There isn't enough of a genetic difference for humans to be biologically classified as different races.




Don't you mean different species?

I look at different races as I do different strains of marijuana.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: highdroponics]
    #9123906 - 10/23/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No I mean race.  There has to be a certain percentage (not sure what it is off the top of my head) of genetic difference within a species for it to be divided into races.  There isn't enough of a difference amongst humans.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: jewunit]
    #9123916 - 10/23/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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That's a culture dude.




So are Jews.
Or Indians.
Or Africans.
Really the argument can be made either way.
It's stupid one way or the other.




I don't understand what you mean.  There are a lot of different cultures in Africa and India.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9123917 - 10/23/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There's obviously enough of a difference for us all to look so different.

And for scientists to be able to determine through genetic testing that Native Americans descended from ancient Asians, or that aboriginal Australians are more closely related to Europeans than black Africans.

I'm not saying race is a basis for discrimination, but I am saying that genes play a role if I can look at someone and determine what continent, or even a specific region of a continent that their bloodline is from.

If we share over 99% of our DNA, then that tiny slice that makes the color of our skin, the colors of our eyes, shapes of our ears, our noses, our faces, our overall body shapes must contain a lot of varying information around the world.

And 99.9% may not be as much as you're thinking, we share over  99% of our DNA with chimpanzees.  Obviously, those little slices control a shitload.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9123965 - 10/23/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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No I mean race.  There has to be a certain percentage (not sure what it is off the top of my head) of genetic difference within a species for it to be divided into races.  There isn't enough of a difference amongst humans.




So then, are we just considered different strains just as I mentioned with the comparison with marijuana strains then? As there are very distinct differences.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: DragonChaser]
    #9124022 - 10/23/08 10:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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There's obviously enough of a difference for us all to look so different.

And for scientists to be able to determine through genetic testing that Native Americans descended from ancient Asians, or that aboriginal Australians are more closely related to Europeans than black Africans.

I'm not saying race is a basis for discrimination, but I am saying that genes play a role if I can look at someone and determine what continent, or even a specific region of a continent that their bloodline is from.

If we share over 99% of our DNA, then that tiny slice that makes the color of our skin, the colors of our eyes, shapes of our ears, our noses, our faces, our overall body shapes must contain a lot of varying information around the world.

And 99.9% may not be as much as you're thinking, we share over  99% of our DNA with chimpanzees.  Obviously, those little slices control a shitload.




We only share about 96% with chimps.  The little slices do control a lot and that was my point.  They control such a massive range of things that the "racial" variation that they do control is miniscule in comparison to the rest of the things they control, and not enough to biologically classify humans into different races even though there is some genetic variation.  Other species can be biologically divided into races, but not humans.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9124039 - 10/23/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Oh for the love of God.
How about this, just for you.

Do you have a favorite culture other than your own?

Happy? You win the war!


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9124041 - 10/23/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Other species can be biologically divided into races, but not humans.




why cant humans be divided by race

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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: jewunit]
    #9124056 - 10/23/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh for the love of God.
How about this, just for you.

Do you have a favorite culture other than your own?

Happy? You win the war!




LOL, he does actually have a point though, I see it.

Greys(aliens) are a separate race of our own(Human), but all humans are of the same race, that being human.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: highdroponics]
    #9124060 - 10/23/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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No I mean race.  There has to be a certain percentage (not sure what it is off the top of my head) of genetic difference within a species for it to be divided into races.  There isn't enough of a difference amongst humans.




So then, are we just considered different strains just as I mentioned with the comparison with marijuana strains then? As there are very distinct differences.




Visually there are distinct differences, but not genetically.  Visually is enough for a social construct, but not for a biological construct.  I guess you could use the strain comparison, different strains are bred for specific properties, and different humans are adapted to specific climates.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: highdroponics]
    #9124061 - 10/23/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The point is relatively irrelevant to the question posed.


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: jewunit]
    #9124064 - 10/23/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Relatively irrelevant :rofl:


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: Gumby]
    #9124072 - 10/23/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

indians are cool, but they sure do smell bad

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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: Boom]
    #9124076 - 10/23/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Jewish girls are slutty, and most Jews smoke weed

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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: Boom]
    #9124077 - 10/23/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

We talking booze on the breath or curry in the air smell bad?


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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: jewunit]
    #9124078 - 10/23/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

curry :yesnod:

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Re: Do you have a favorite race other than your own? [Re: SvampViking]
    #9124080 - 10/23/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was just reading about the difference between chimp and human DNA and saw that more recent tests have confirmed that its at about that level, but that a lot of the differences are "junk" DNA...

And you may be right, that the amount of difference isn't enough to classify humans as different races, when you're looking at other species for comparison.  People think that humans came from a small population group originally, explaining why we don't have as much variation.  But if you consider this and define the cutoff for different races or breeds or whatever at a lower threshold than other species, suddenly bam, there's genetic reason to say there are different races.

Take a 5 foot bronze skinned Chinaman, a 6 foot blonde haired blue eyed German, and a 4 foot black as night pygmie.

In any other species, you would look at that clearly as different races, or breeds.
You wouldn't need arguments about genetics, you could just look at it and say hey, these groups are obviously extremely different in appearance, they are obviously different races.


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