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Horse Poo or Cow Poo
    #912016 - 09/27/02 12:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Please spare me the flames if this is a dumb question, but I've been reading my ass off and all I ever see are horse poo teks. Is there some reason nobody mentions cow poo? They pretty much have the same diet but different digestive systems. So,... bottom line, is cow poo worthwhile? It's much easier for me to obtain around here. I am dying to attemp the poo tek. Thanks for any input. peace :cool:


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #912026 - 09/27/02 12:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think the reason why you see more horse poo teks is because more people have access to horses rather then cows. Dude uses cow manure and it works fine. if dude had to choose, it would be cow manure....just dudes preference. :smile:


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #912027 - 09/27/02 12:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Cow poo will work great as well.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: rosewoodpete]
    #912118 - 09/27/02 01:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think it's just access, but a fact of life with this hobby. Pop mycology (thanks to PF for the term) is very trendy. Cultivation methods come in "fads". Horse poo is the latest bulk substrate "fad".

Another trend which is hopefully more of change of MO than a fad is that more people are posting more detailed information so that their experiments can be duplicated and their experience shared. That's one of the reasons I pushed so hard for the grow log forum.

Combine the two and you get lots of usable information on horse poo. Cow dung was the bulk substrate fad back when people didn't post as much detailed information. They simply said things like, "yeah I used cow manure and it worked great".

But, dung works just as well as horse manure IME. In fact, I only ever used horse poo a couple of times because I was so please with aged cow dung.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #912294 - 09/27/02 02:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the info. My pet chinchilla is going to go patty pickin' this weekend!! peace :cool:
I'm planning to post a grow log when steve (my chinchilla) completes his assigned project, win or lose.



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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #912503 - 09/27/02 04:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

How aged?  :grin:  My cat is really curious.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: ShroomSkin]
    #912821 - 09/27/02 06:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Aged = long enough to dry

Should be dry and grey, not black and wet. Aged doesn't stink, fresh does.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #912892 - 09/27/02 07:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Compare a cow pattie and some horse poo. There is a big difference. Cow's have like seven digestive tacks which means thier poo has been "processed" more. Horse shit and the other hand looks more like quickly composted straw. Once dried you can see the straw fibers in it. More nutrience and a better texture to work with IMO.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #913117 - 09/27/02 08:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

HUMMmM, now what about cattle manure and sheep manure?????

And can they be pasteurized the same way as horse poo,  or is there an additional step LOL :crazy:

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: sBUD]
    #913137 - 09/27/02 08:53 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Couldn't tell if this is a question or a joke. If its a question sheep poo can be used. And no additionnal steps need be taken. If its a joke, good one.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: shiitake]
    #920071 - 09/30/02 07:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Just for the record, cows have four stomachs, not seven digestive tracts. That's why I asked the question. Thanks for the info, all. Since some have had good luck, i guess my chinchilla will just have to try it himself. :cool:





   


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #920155 - 09/30/02 08:18 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think horse would be best , due to fact horses usually eat more variety , and pass it thru quicker than a cow , thus leaving behind more nutrients .
But on the other side shrooms appear in cow dung more often than horse dung in the wild . Cow dung is probably more balanced due to more digestion going on .

That is only my "guess" , I am only expressing an opinion . :crazy:

So try it both ways note which is best for what strain etc................ :smile:

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: tripndicular]
    #920652 - 09/30/02 10:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

>I think horse would be best , due to fact horses usually eat more variety
wouldn't this just lead to unpredictablitiy?

>, and pass it thru quicker than a cow , thus leaving behind more nutrients .
Wouldn't it also have something to do with nutrients being broken down?

>But on the other side shrooms appear in cow dung more often than horse dung in the wild . Cow dung is probably more balanced due to more digestion going on .
It's becuase they take longer to digest, and the spores survive once eated by the grass... since there isn't the acid in the stomach like thre is in other animals (esp goat shit)

>That is only my "guess" , I am only expressing an opinion .
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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Skikid16]
    #920719 - 09/30/02 11:16 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

actually it was a serious question :laugh::D:D

sheep and cattle manure is easier for me to get as oppose to cow and horse.
Sure hope the cattles and sheep dont smell as bad.  Ohhh yea, forget we're talking about poo here. I dont know, maybe sheep and cattle poo are the zsa zsa gabor of poop!!  :grin::laugh::D:D:D:D:D

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    #920729 - 09/30/02 11:19 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: matts]
    #920775 - 09/30/02 11:32 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i dont really know. all i saw on the bag as i was walking by was cattle manure.
I'll check it out  in more detail and get back to ya but for only one dollar for a big ass bag..thats a good deal! Monty from "lets Make a Deal" cant even beat that :laugh:

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: sBUD]
    #920787 - 09/30/02 11:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

i asked this once and i think roadkill told me that horses poop contains for roughage due to the fact that it isnt as digested as a cows poop....thus contains more nutrients that will produce bigger flushes...cow poop isnt worth it and is not recommended..


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    #920828 - 09/30/02 06:53 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #921505 - 10/01/02 03:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Whoo, ShroomHermit, I think you do need a nap. Rippin assholes where not necessary is kind of a grumpy thing to do.
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>I think horse would be best , due to fact horses usually eat more variety
wouldn't this just lead to unpredictability?



Maybe so, but I doubt a horse is going to eat anything toxic to itself, or to shroom spores.

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  [>, and pass it thru quicker than a cow , thus leaving behind more nutrients.
Wouldn't it also have something to do with nutrients being broken down?



Again, maybe so, but I think the fact that a cow has four stomachs, might mean it can extract more nutrients from its forage, leaving less for the shrooms.

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>But on the other side shrooms appear in cow dung more often than horse dung in the wild . Cow dung is probably more balanced due to more digestion going on .
It's becuase they take longer to digest, and the spores survive once eated by the grass... since there isn't the acid in the stomach like thre is in other animals (esp goat shit)




I'm not so sure spores are eated by the grass. Really I think there are more shrooms growing on cow shit in the wild because there are more cattle in the wild. Good point on the stomach acid though, I hadn't considered that.

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>That is only my "guess" , I am only expressing an opinion .
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Trip's disclaimer of opinion only allows me to take his advice into consideration knowing that it's not a concrete fact, telling me to apply my own intuition.

It sounds to me like the replies you provided were in fact your own opinion, so ripping him a new asshole is a bit misplaced.

Of course, this is only my humble opinion. peace, brother :cool: 
   


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #921513 - 10/01/02 03:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think straw and Horse Dung are possibly more of a method than a fad.
Not at the moment but I think they`re both here to stay.
I personally think in the last few weeks virtually every substrate known to man has been tried.
And I think most have come to the conclusion that the poo is the SHIT.


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    #921799 - 10/01/02 01:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: ralphster44]
    #921923 - 10/01/02 09:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I have seen horses poo...umm, go with the horse poo. Great things will come of this I see it...in the poo.

Hey, fred, are you using straw by chance with that poo-poo?


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #922127 - 10/01/02 11:20 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanx Fred , glad I did not have to explain,  ........"THE USE OF COMMON SENSE " to you  :smile:, we seem to be on the same level when it comes to a choice of what shit to use . I hope in some small way I guided you in the direction you already knew was best for you !

I am not experienced in mushie growing :smirk: , but have one a few awards for gardening , veggies . Mushies are not like plants in many ways , but they do get there nutrients from the soil and other substrates they are in contact with , they just do not rely on the sun to help convert it into usable energy . I am certain that they need and use diferent nutrients at different times during development  . Like plants "usually" like lots of nitrogen , when forming leaves and branches , then like the other various nutrients and minerals  when flowering , devloping fruits etc ............ some like acidic , some like alkaline , mushies seem to like netural range .

And yes the spores are not eaten and digested , thus making them able to germinate .......... we are growing mushrooms not nuts . I cant name one , but there are some grains and nuts(especially rainforest ) that need to go thru digestive tract in order to germinate , and to be spread to new areas also . Spores are designed to be spread in wind currents , land hopefully in favorable environment , germinate , acquire nutrients to develop mature mushie and spores , then release them starting process over again . :grin: :grin:

Personally I like the idea of growing in worm poop (worm castings ) that is my chosen substrate for bulk growing . I know many would disagree , but many also agree so thhhhhhhhhppppppppttttttttt (blows raspberry) to all you argumentitive types .  :tongue:
Outdoors I am going with Moes outdoor tech , and horse dung is easier for me to obtain . Besides I do not want my mushies to have mad cow diease, or anthrax .... ha ha only joking , but have thought about it . Hell I have even considered using bat guano , but most disagree with that , and I trust some who said they had no luck .
Knowing me though ....... I will try someday . Bat guano is hard to get quantity of , and costly from comercial comps.

No matter what your choice the only thing that seems to matter is the ph level , I have asked many what are optimum nutrient levels for mushies i.e. nitrogen , potash , etc and have been given no direct answers . Enough rambling ...........

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: VSOPXO]
    #922306 - 10/01/02 12:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I like to leave the worm castings for the house plants, but others seem to like it.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Penguin]
    #922329 - 10/01/02 12:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well Penguin of course I will not be using any of this info for other than entertainment purposes. However a friend is just beginning to grow and as yet has not tried the poo method at all. This friend of mine was thinking he would try the poo with straw and without, to experiment a little and find what works best for him. Of course now he has to maybe experiment with different poos just to satisfy his incessant curiousity. This friend remains humbly grateful for all the advice given in this thread. He will try to record the results (good and bad) of his various experiments and post them someplace where other amatuers and newbies might benefit. Thanks for your time. peace :cool:


 


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: tripndicular]
    #922380 - 10/01/02 01:00 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Trip, I like to think I posess some common sense most of the time. While responding to ShroomHermit, I realized I talked myself into telling my friend to use horse poo, and experiment with others. I have a follow up question for you while we're here. Is there a good method you can recommend to allow someone to check the PH level of the poo? Some way readily available and fairly cheap. Or is the PH level fairly predictable and not in need of monitoring? I know I should search the faq's and archives, and I will, but I'm asking for the benefit of your experience. Thanks again.

Hey I just noticed I got a shroom. Woo-Hoo I'm somebody now!! :cool:

   


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #922394 - 10/01/02 01:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

And thanks to Mycofile for directing me to the grow logs forum. I didn't even think to cruise around in there. Minus one common sense point for me. :frown:

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #924947 - 10/02/02 02:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

All this debating is a little silly. As I have used both, extensively, I can vouch that cow/cattle manure and horse manure are both QUALITY bulk substrates. You can talk theory about number of stomachs, where shrooms are found in nature and if cows or horses really do sleep standing up or not, but it doesn't really matter. Use whichever you can get your hands on.

And just to clarify, when I say fad, I don't mean anything bad by it. Yes, the manure teks are here to stay. The reason I use the word fad is because "poo teks" have been here to stay for about 30 years. Their newfound popularity is a popmycology fad, not a groundbreaking advance in mycology.

And for anyone who's theory tells them that horse poo is drastically better than cow poo, this was grown on straight dung, cased with vermiculite:

Yield was about 3 oz per sq. ft. First flush.
Cow manure works just fine.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #924994 - 10/02/02 03:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In RE: Checking ph .
I am not 100% sure , but I think nurseries sell little kits for testing soil samples and I believe it does ph levels in soil also . Cost ?????????? 15$ at most . :cool: 


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: tripndicular]
    #925328 - 10/02/02 05:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

tripndicular:
just thought i would let you if you're looking for large quanities of bat guano try going to different smoke shops or nurseries which sell stuff for growing bud. As i remember i think its sold in five pound increments but im not really too sure on the price cause its was a while back when i bought some. good luck with your experiment when you try it.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: seattlekid]
    #925340 - 10/02/02 05:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Thanx for info .
Have found commercially but is too costly , also have crazy cave crawling friends who said they would collect some for me .
Gonna stick with worm poop for now .


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: tripndicular]
    #932085 - 10/04/02 03:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm a crazy cave crawler. Bats are neat. Caves are amazing places. Nothing beats the feeling of exploring a virgin passage, a sacred place deep inside the earth where you know that no man has ever been before.

I've seen passages over a mile long with the walls, floor and ceiling completely permeated with mycelium. Makes the walls gisten and sparkle. Very cool.

I've also cloned a fungus that was found growing on pack-rat shit in a cave. Never grew it out again, just wanted a culture.

Just curious, what region are your cave crawlin buddies in?


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #932101 - 10/04/02 03:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

That sounds cool as hell.  Do you have any pictures of that you could share?..

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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #932111 - 10/04/02 03:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

South west . Kinda "X-FILES" like .....bringin foreign fungus never touched by anyone to surface ! :crazy: Just messin with ya ! :grin: Freaky cave man you !  :crazy: I've only been in an ice hole that went back about a mile , easy walking, no sludgin, squeezin , no wheezin ! 


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: tripndicular]
    #936266 - 10/06/02 12:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)







These aren't my pictures, just some I had on hand. If anyone gets seriously interested in caves, check out caves.org.


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Re: Horse Poo or Cow Poo [Re: mycofile]
    #936527 - 10/06/02 03:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

gentlemen...
Mayhaps it's also strain related, but here's my 2 cents...
Been playin with eq's and koh... both loved cow, so  went to the garden shop and got a bag of composted horse manure. Tried to use grain spawn with the poo strait out of the bag... the fungus would stretch out and try to colonize, but it gave the same effect as when it spans over plastic and it never ate the shiest. I leached the poo and tried again, and it seemed to like it a little better, this time it was actually attaching to the crap and making a good effort at colonizing, but yeilds were still fairly poor. Now, I've called all the shops here in western washington and all carry horse, but none carry cow manure.... In the end, what I found works awesome is to twice steep the horse manure and be very generous with the water (use new water for each steep session duh), then take the end result and mix in coarse vermiculite to make a good, fluffy mix of about 70% poo and 30% vermiculite. Pasturize in oven bags, spawn with grain, follow the hints on this board for environmental controls... worked very very good fo me...
Sorry to rattle... :confused:


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