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CureCat
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nightflyer said: All those patches must be bone dry during summer. Does the mycelium maybe grow new every fall; starting from spores? It's just impossible that a mycelium can survive several months of drought in a layer of wood chips of only one inch thickness.
Most mycelium goes dormant when it dries out.
The mycelium of all Psilocybe in our area naturally withstands drying out, it does not kill the mycelium.
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nightflyer said: Make a test in your own backyard. A few hot sunny days, a dry wind, and you can use the wood chips as firewood.
Have you tried reviving the mycelium? Adding some fresh wood chips and water?
It works. The mycelium "wakes up".
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: CureCat]
#10534943 - 06/19/09 03:27 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have managed to turn a pinhead sized dust dry piece of APE veil that was stuck to some tinfoil into live mycelium colonizing jars of grain substrate (the mushroom itself was sterile, so I know it wasn't germinated spores). Fungi are amazing organisms.
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nightflyer
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Have you tried reviving the mycelium? Adding some fresh wood chips and water?
It works. The mycelium "wakes up".
No I haven't tried it yet, but I will. Must be fascinating.
Sorry, that's not from the Bay area, but it's a Bay area species. Got the spores from a generous shroomery member from SF. Thanks!
One of my Psilocybe subaeruginascens patches, created during March 2009 in central Europe. The wood chips layer is several inches thick, but the mycelium has already reached the surface. It seems that Psilocybe subaeruginascens loves the European climate. Maybe we soon will have a Bay area species in Europe. [image][/image]
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CureCat
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Yup, that's P. subaeruginascens mycelium all right. For a species with such vigorous growth, I'm surprised it is not more wide spread.
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auweia
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: CureCat]
#10654699 - 07/10/09 08:10 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nightflyer, that mycelium looks great. It will probably fruit some day, we just don't know when
a few more highlights from this past season..two transplants of my own around San Francisco from years past that showed up last season. I make it a habit to collect loose mycelium from picking out in the field, and then spend some time making new spots in my travels on the bike. I always try to have in my mind places nearby that I remember that might be good for transplants, from previous travels, so that if I find a bunch of mushrooms, I can usually make a side trip and transplant some more mycelium, from those I just picked
It's good to do that when they are still fresh and live, and in season, otherwise take it home and grow it some more
and this next spot..sheesh, right next to the sidewalk, in an office park, although traveled lightly, somewhere in the SF Bay Area. Now one of my better spots, it has been doubling in size each year for the last 3 years and has 100's of meters to go...plenty, plenty plenty of empty wood chip space left to go
but what makes this one great, is the diabolical camouflage with the surrounding foliage. It's so good, I almost have to use a nearby sign post to remember where this is and get me close, because it's hard to see sometimes, even when you're right next to it. You're guess is as good as mine the exact number in these photos...hahah...good luck....It's over 100 tho
this last one is from stand above it looking straight down, with a semi wide angle...it still doesn't capture the whole thing...it's branching out further now
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Edited by auweia (07/10/09 10:01 PM)
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nightflyer
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#10655927 - 07/11/09 01:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow! Those cyans are well camouflaged!
I placed some woodchips colonized by Psilocybe subaeruginascens (from the patch mentioned before) on a piece of wet newspaper:
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auweia
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CureCat
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#10671248 - 07/13/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Might get more attention in The Pub.
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auweia
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: CureCat]
#10861762 - 08/14/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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last one from this season, for me.
Sometimes p cyanescens hide under bushes, and sometimes they ARE the bush...hehe
This is two different patches (the two largest clumps), which are part of a larger patch of smaller patches surrounding it
this spot is quite scary as it's right next to a police station. Actually security patrol of a major institution, it's literally outside the window of the main office, like 20 feet. Like the cop cars are parked 5 feet away from this photo and it's all in full view out in the open with the mushrooms in this landscaping parking lot island in the middle
Something like this could only possibly work if it's just 1 person and they think it's somebody picking garbage mushrooms, but even then it might not work.
I only picked this once, and there's actually a series of smaller patches surrounding this, so there's about 3 times as much in this spot. But I went in there and tore it out in about 3 minutes, and spent the next 4 hours doing transplants in different areas nearby, within maybe 10 miles on the bike..Probably about 50 transplants in all
It basically had to be done, because it's only a matter of time before somebody else figures this out, goes ga-ga over it, then there's 10 people crawling, and it's all over for this spot
It is the most diabolical location I have ever seen.I couldn't possible think of a better one the mushroom gods would make a cosmic joke
I have a wide angle view of the spot that shows the whole thing, plus the cop cars parked at the office among these mushrooms...but...that would reveal the location....hehe
maybe someday if I can figure out a way to edit it right
It's about 3 months for the next season in San Francisco to start...90 days or so, but right now fire season is just starting
Big fire in santa Cruz, right now, close to where Alan Rockefeller picked the morels this season from the last fire last season
see ya soon
PS, this is my bike, I've had for over 15 years
currently covered with 'trash/basura' stickers, it's my antidote to the hipster/fixie bike on the scene today. The bike is an original Marin - Pine Mountain - 1989, steel frame. All parts except gear handles, handle bars, and fram have been replaced. This bike went out of print in the early 90's, replaced by newer, light materials that people are just now finding out, breaks which means this original steel frame is a collectors item
This Marin mounatin bike, with saddle bags carried this torn up load pictured in this post, over 10 miles, easy
the total load was maybe 20 pounds, carried in saddle bags, in back pack, and on top of the rear rack.
A load full of mushrooms, dirt and mycelium, I spent the better part of the rest of the day carefully separating mushrooms from mycelium and dirt and chips, and buried pieces of it over a very wide area in new and old landscaping areas
in the middle of the road meridian woodchip landscaping, in parks, in shopping centers, off the side of the road, places where I knew there was woodchips and a few suprises too
twas ever thus
THAT is a true blue San Francisco bike messenger bike
cheers
Edited by auweia (08/14/09 09:37 PM)
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#10862093 - 08/14/09 09:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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auweia said:
It is the most diabolical location I have ever seen.I couldn't possible think of a better one the mushroom gods would make a cosmic joke
Lol tell me about. So you snapped these photos this summer? That gives a lot o' credit to them cyans. Thanks for the update sir.
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nightflyer
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: auweia]
#10863948 - 08/15/09 08:45 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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auweia said:
It's about 3 months for the next season in San Francisco to start...90 days or so
Last year I found my first cyan on September 22. Six weeks to go!
I love those patches near the police station!
Edited by nightflyer (08/15/09 08:48 AM)
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BlimeyGrimey
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I have a feeling the Seattle season might get off to a good early start this year.
Just a gut feeling though.
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o god i can't wait. my neighborhood is cyan central. playgrounds FTW!
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Re: subaeruginascens [Re: dummy]
#10864444 - 08/15/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cyans will even grow in PLAYGROUNDS?! I am a new hunter so any new information I can get about cyans is awesome...
If they actually grow in playgrounds with woodchips...then I am very very excited for the season to START ALREADY!!
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dummy
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no they won't grow in playgrounds because of all the trampling. i mean look in the bushes by playgrounds, especially if there are woodchips.
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caphillkid
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BlimeyGrimey said: I have a feeling the Seattle season might get off to a good early start this year.
Just a gut feeling though.
Hope you are right, but not with temps back into the 80s next week.
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BlimeyGrimey
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caphillkid said:
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BlimeyGrimey said: I have a feeling the Seattle season might get off to a good early start this year.
Just a gut feeling though.
Hope you are right, but not with temps back into the 80s next week.
Yeah, but I still think that the season will start off good. It tends to cool off quick once Sept rolls around.
I'm just hoping the winter isn't as bad as last year. I usually find Psilocybes until late Dec or early Jan. Last year they seemed to stop growing in Nov due to the freezing cold temps that came around.
Though one of my friscosa patches fruited while the first snow was still on the ground.
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auweia
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Re: Official N. CAlifornia, BAY AREA, (S.F.) thread *Fall 2008-Spring 2009* ((post your finds here!)) [Re: CureCat]
#10867536 - 08/15/09 10:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just noticed this and don't remember it in the first post from last season. was it added later?
the two photos, yes indeed, it proves that p cyanescens like eucalyptus.
It's one of those odd things, where it's unusual for mushrooms to like a really oily/fragrant wood chip/shaving.
I have been warned by commercial mushroom growers that nearly all edibles that grow out of eucalyptus should be discarded, because they will cause gastrointestinal distress, however this is not the case with p cyanescens
then again, you're taking relatively smaller amounts with cyanescens, so whatever oils is causing the pain, it's at much lower levels
Still, eucalyptus seems to be an exception because most actives, and mushrooms in general, tend to avoid oily fragrant trees, like cedar
Nobody really knows why and I don't recall this phenomena being studied on any level, but I'm thinking Curecat heard it here first a year ago and decided to test it, and it worked
Eucalyptus is not common in Washington and Oregon, but it is in california. Originally from Australia, it was planted all over california to act as wind breaks and filler for logged areas. Problem is, it grows like a weed here and it's gotten so bad, huge areas like UC Berkeley campus are cutting down and chopping up eucalyptus in massive numbers into...ahem...woodchips
(I've actually met two different Australians traveling to San Francisco over the years, who were experienced with actives down under, and when I showed them the cyans here in Golden Gate Park growing under eucalyptus, they both told me it looks nearly identical to what the see back home) This could possibly be related to the morphology and continuing adaptation of cyans and 'friscosas'
related species to p cyanescens in Australia are nearly native to eucalyptus, so it's not too much of a stretch to find that american west coast cyanescens have adapted to the tree after all these years, in the San Francisco Bay Area
It;s really strange because most people do not expect any mushrooms under eucalyptus, because most mushrooms don't like it...too oily, too fragrant, yet there they are....
I personally have seen cyans grow out of eucalyptus bulbs in Golden Gate Park in San Francisco...the seeds...the seeds, the oiliest part of it...even dried out and cut up leaves
go figure, but there ya go
you can look up all kinds of info online about Eucalyptus and California..here's one as an example
http://wwwlibrary.csustan.edu/bsantos/section1.htm
personally, I'm happy p cyanescens has adapted to this tree, because it opens up a huge swath of acreage in California......thousands of miles of it, in fact
My first encounter with this was probably about 1990, when I first noticed it growing in eucalyptus. Time will tell how big it eventually gets
one can only imagine
PS, it is extremely unlikley that anyone would get gastro-intestinal distress from any psylocybe cyanescens that grow out of eucalyptus groves in California....because........
the amount needed to cause pain (of the wrong kind) is at least 10 times the amount for the average psychedelic dose (of the right kind)
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CureCat said: Long time no talk...
Sorry about that, I've been in transition. Anyway, I was on my way to the Mycological Society of San Francisco (MSSF) meeting last night and despite my doubt, I decided to just check up on one of my smaller patches from last year. Upon surveying the wood chips I was slightly surprised to see a pin. Considering the conditions I assumed it was a Galerina and hastily snapped the stipe and carried the mushroom inside of the museum. Inspecting the pin more closely, I was shocked to find that it was in fact the first Ps. cyanescens I had found of the 2009 Fall Season!
This was a pleasant surprise and after showing it around to a few members at the meeting, Alan and I did a more thorough search of the patch. I spotted 2 more pins and luckily Alan had his digital camera on him, so he was abe to get some habitat shots. We left the tiniest mushroom to mature, and I had already (unfortunately) picked another, but one of the three pins I transplanted and have relocated to Gron Labs and it seems to have adapted well using moist soil, eucalyptus shavings, and cardboard, in a cut-up, wax Dixie cup!
I will continue to water this mushroom and hope to see it to maturity.
This marks the beginning of the Fall 2009, Bay Area Mushroom Season!!! Once a few more reports have come in, Alan or I will sticky this topic. So lets get this shit started!!
It is good to be back..... I haven't had a computer of my own since I moved a few months ago, but I hope to be back soon.
These photos were taken with my rather inadequate 2 mega pixel, camera phone, but Alan has some better photos taken from their original habitat so perhaps he will post those shortly.
Edited by auweia (08/15/09 11:58 PM)
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dummy
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Re: Official N. CAlifornia, BAY AREA, (S.F.) thread *Fall 2008-Spring 2009* ((post your finds here!)) [Re: auweia]
#10867701 - 08/15/09 11:16 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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fall '09 growing out of a eucalyptus log;
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Re: Official N. CAlifornia, BAY AREA, (S.F.) thread *Fall 2008-Spring 2009* ((post your finds here!)) [Re: dummy]
#10877922 - 08/17/09 07:22 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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