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BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!!
#9109954 - 10/21/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone it looks like Blacklight Power Inc has actually pulled it off and demonstrated a 50kw prototype and it has been independently confirmed by Rowan University check it out.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/pdf/BLPIndependentReport.pdf
http://www.blacklightpower.com/Press%20Releases/BlacklightPressRelease102008.doc
Humanity might just be saved after all. Now all that we must do is restore are constitution and we will be home free. This is the holy grail of energy devices folks this changes the whole paradigm.
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/21/08 01:56 PM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110021 - 10/21/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont get it. The press release didnt say much...
Is this for powering cars, or for use on the grid?
The press release mentioned hydrogen as a fuel 'source', Im not sure why this is any different than regular H combustion or fuel cell?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9110073 - 10/21/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its a new theory on the ground state energy levels of hydrogen. Dr.Randell Mills says that he's created a new form of hydrogen at a lower ground state energy than anything else ever theorized by classical physics. And yes it is for home power use so that you could be completely off the grid and it has many other applications such as new lasers and stuff. Just read the site and his book it's all there. It's called a Hydrino I've mentioned it once on here awhile back.
Here is some more news articles on it
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/2223/78/
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/blacklight-power-inc-announces-independent/story.aspx?guid=
Link to original post about it on here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4930510/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110126 - 10/21/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lower ground state than -13.6? That would overturn alot wouldnt it?
Its almost assuredly crackpottery.
EDIT - After reading that other post, I have to say its bullshit.
Edited by Qubit (10/21/08 02:30 PM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9110174 - 10/21/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Umm no it's not crack pottery it was independently validated by Rowan University which is ranked 14th in the nation for engineering. So believe what you want but its confirmed in the scientific community now.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110186 - 10/21/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is confirmed? That Hydrino exists or that it can solve the energy problem?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110194 - 10/21/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Both please just read the materials I posted it explains everything in detail so that there is nothing to question.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110243 - 10/21/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Both please just read the materials I posted it explains everything in detail so that there is nothing to question.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9110687 - 10/21/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha keep laughing. I'm sure you'll stop when you realize everything checks out. Or maybe you don't care and think ignorance is bliss not quite sure with you yet.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9110790 - 10/21/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Haha keep laughing. I'm sure you'll stop when you realize everything checks out. Or maybe you don't care and think ignorance is bliss not quite sure with you yet.
I'm so sure you're wrong, I'm willing to bet $5000 that it doesn't check out.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9110906 - 10/21/08 04:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The funny thing is that the company has managed to string along dumb investors for 20 years already...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9111112 - 10/21/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111412 - 10/21/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Haha keep laughing
Don't worry, I am.
When the starving physicist ( I remember that post!) decides it is worthwhile, I will believe it. Until then, I'm with ChuangTzu...
There are a lot of names on the "proprietary and confidential" paper, but I didn't notice any PhD's. After reading the paper, I also didn't find anything that discussed procedures used; nothing but conclusions for the most part. The bibliography was also pretty thin. It is hard to judge the validity of their conclusion without knowing their testing procedures.
Finally, when dealing with hydrogen, it is easy to mistakenly measure too much energy. I did this in high school with an electrolysis project. I was getting more energy out than I was putting in. After a lot of head scratching, and realizing that many of the physics professors at the local community college must have degrees from a crackerjack box, with the help of a professor from MIT (via postal mail) I was able to figure out what was going on. The reaction, at very low energy levels, is endothermic and uses heat from the air to move the electrolysis forward. When I moved the experiment into a freezer set just above freezing point of water, the extra energy disappeared.
If it is too good to be true, then it is most likely not true. When something violates the known laws of physics, there is probably a mistake in the testing procedures rather than a mistake in the known laws of physics.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9111586 - 10/21/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss did you not read the Rowan University report it cleary shows that a Phd Prof. Peter Mark Jansson from their school validated it. Also I don't think I would exactly call Michael H Jordan a dumb investor he was CEO of Westinghouse energy company among others like Pepsico just incase you didn't do a profile check yourself. And if you want more details on the actual procedures involved you need to read this http://www.blacklightpower.com/presentations/TechnicalPresentation101608.pdf ; and his 1500 somethin page book explaining his Grand Unified Theory. Anyways theres no point in arguing if it is real or not that has already been confirmed. And you should read that ecogeek.org article because that is coming from a previous skeptic and is now a believer. Also Dr. Randell Mills holds a Doctor of Medicine degree from Harvard University and a BA degree in Chemistry from Franklin and Marshall College so I think he might know a thing or two about this type of stuff whad u think? And Peter Jansson is an MIT and Oxford PhD
http://users.rowan.edu/~jansson/
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111626 - 10/21/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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A funny thing about crackpots is they're so quick to dismiss 100 years worth of theories with experimental verification... but when one crackpot hypothesis with one apparent verification comes along they buy it like its going out of style.
Why do you think that is?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111638 - 10/21/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's another scientific study from an independent source talking about the proposed hydrinos.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111683 - 10/21/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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DieCommie you'd be suprised to find out. That this is the case throughout history most of the time. Science advancements are made through new theorys otherwise it gets really stagnant.
Perfect Examples of this http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/item/invention_failure_never_work_disaster
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111712 - 10/21/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9111726 - 10/21/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep looks like it. And this one is for you Seuss
R. Mills, P. Ray, B. Dhandapani, W.Good, P. Jansson, M. Nansteel, J. He, A. Voigt " Spectroscopic and NMR Identification of Novel Hydride Ions in Fractional Quantum Energy States Formed by an Exothermic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen with Certain Catalysts," Eur. Phys. J. Appl. Phys. (5 August 2004)
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9112064 - 10/21/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss did you not read the Rowan University report it cleary shows that a Phd Prof. Peter Mark Jansson from their school validated it.
All he did was put some supposedly "specially prepared" Raney nickel in a calorimeter and measure the energy given off in some reaction. For some reason they believe this amount of energy isn't explained by current theories. I haven't been able to find a write-up of this procedure to determine why they even think the amount of energy obtained was atypical, however you should note that Jansson's degrees don't necessarily indicate his qualifications--his Ph.D. is in something like sustainable development (his own resume doesn't even mention this), his lesser degrees were in civil and electrical engineering. I'd be looking for a physical chemist to do my calculations of expected energy and an experimental chemist to do the actual measurements. The Jansson guy is teaching networking classes these days...
Even if the amount of energy given off in the reaction was atypical, that is in no way automatically proof even of the existence of hydrinos. So hardly a "confirmation".
It's also worth noting that while working for Atlantic City Electric, he was responsible for arranging an investment from his company to BlackLight.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9112131 - 10/21/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sure hope this is true, but a the same time, i would not put a single ounce of trust in it.
Time will tell FOR SURE whether or not this is true, if it is the solution to all of our energy problems, rest assured it will spread very quickly. We should all set a reminder to report back to this thread once every year, and see what comes of this 'technology'. Im willing to bet nothing, yet again, but alas, i sure hope something does.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9114123 - 10/22/08 04:08 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Seuss did you not read the Rowan University report
I read the pdf you posted. I refuse to read anything in MS Word, so if you are referring to the second link you provided, then no, I did not read that. I don't need to read their drivel to understand that what they are proposing goes against all known laws of physics. If what they have is real, then everything we know is wrong. You continue to jump on the wishful thinking bandwagon without understanding what it is they are proposing. You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9114151 - 10/22/08 04:35 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol, I was going ot post the same thing about the .doc format- singularly most annoying format ever... some courts post their rulings in that forum too- absurd
And I read teh "executive summary" and saw a claim of "we don't know" not whatever it is you (original poster) are claiming. There's a difference.
And that paper didn't, in the summary or conclusions anyways, explain what they did or what the device they were using was. They did manage to kiss the ass of BLP constantly though...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9115322 - 10/22/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss said: You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
you cant?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#9115879 - 10/22/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu, I'll take that bet. Oh wait a minute, we are both betting on the same side. We need someone to take the other side of it. I remember Pons and Flieshman, two highly respected scientists who told the world years ago about cold fusion. It turned out to be bullshit too but a lot of universities said it was true until it was proven otherwise.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#9115912 - 10/22/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok then I guess Rowan University is completely wrong right Seuss those people with doctorates wth do they know anyways. Oh and your stance on this is final then Seuss since you say it's impossible. Or maybe your just afraid you might have to retake some college courses? Not sure why you can't grasp this but its already confirmed science every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116027 - 10/22/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ill believe it when i see it being confirmed by more sources. one independent confirmation isnt really enough to get a hard-on.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116111 - 10/22/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Ok then I guess Rowan University is completely wrong right Seuss
Read carefully... it is impossible to know if they are right or wrong as they didn't provide the information needed to make an informed judgment. Given other details, I would guess they are wrong. First, they are far from independent, as BLP and the primary investigator have strong financial ties. Second, they didn't publish their methods, only their results. Third, they are breaking the known laws of physics; something which traditionally fails and usually an indication of a con. Fourth, Rowan is far from a "top engineering school". I looked at their curriculum. They do decently in chemical engineering, but not much else.
> Not sure why you can't grasp this but its already confirmed science every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
In English please.
> one independent confirmation isnt really enough to get a hard-on.
It isn't independent. There is a financial relationship between the primary investigator, Peter Jansson, at Rowan University and BLP, Inc. Regardless, until they publish their methodology, any published results are rubbish. Instead of discussing methods, they talk about moving everything to a more secure location. This kind of BS is not science, but it looks good to potential investors. At least they aren't using magnets...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116157 - 10/22/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Yep looks like it. And this one is for you Seuss
R. Mills, P. Ray, B. Dhandapani, W.Good, P. Jansson, M. Nansteel, J. He, A. Voigt " Spectroscopic and NMR Identification of Novel Hydride Ions in Fractional Quantum Energy States Formed by an Exothermic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen with Certain Catalysts," Eur. Phys. J. Appl. Phys. (5 August 2004)
Sorry, but Mills is a quack. All of his BS is based upon the assumption that the radical part of the 3D Shroedinger Equation (when solved using separation of variables) is continuous. He then goes on to rewrite the laws of physics based upon his assumption. Unfortunately, his assumption is incorrect.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
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edit: meant to be a reply to the op
Edited by phi1618 (10/22/08 03:05 PM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116224 - 10/22/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
One thing you apparently fail to realize is that most of the people disagreeing with you are, in fact, trained scientists.
No matter how much you wish the claims were true, you can't invalidate long-standing physical laws with one poorly documented experiment and wishful thinking alone.
I know of no experiment ever done that has ever contradicted quantum mechanics. I'm not saying that won't happen, and in fact it probably will one day, but when it does happen, it will be incredible news and won't be generally accepted until it is repeated many, many times around the world, and every possible alternative explanation is discounted. Even then, it will take a while to sink in.
Where is the document showing the actual claims and the procedure used? I will attempt to replicate it on my own.
One experiment doesn't prove anything.
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You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
No Seuss, when the time comes, you won't NEED to.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: RuNE]
#9117038 - 10/22/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, i have read this thread like 5 times, and its always buddah with a new zero point energy, casmir effect power generating idea that defies the laws of physics, and then every one tells him he is wrong, and then he gets pissed.
to be honest, the first few times i busted out a bag of good ol' extra butter microwave popcorn and sat back and watched the show, but this is getting a little old.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ZippoZ]
#9117187 - 10/22/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ha yeah, almost as old as legitimate breakthroughs becoming 'imminent domain' of governments.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Middleman]
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I still have my one basic question, the same one ive always asked boodahhoodlum, do you not think that if this was possible, and the energy was as easy to make as they say it is, that it would WORLD CHANGING news, and a lot more people would be a lot more interested in it? Not just you the enlightened one, a single university, and then another paper, that simply says they cannot come to a conclusion? I mean seriously, just use basic logic for a second, don't even have to approach it scientifically, just practically.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9119797 - 10/23/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: And if you want more details on the actual procedures involved you need to read this this and his 1500 somethin page book explaining his Grand Unified Theory.
Instant fail. Scientists do not write books about their theories. They publish papers. Papers are verified. Books aren't. Ergo, scientists who write books are doing so because they think they can sidestep the scientific process.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122091 - 10/23/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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First of all yes Rowan is a top engineering school here is proof of this http://www.rowan.edu/today/news/index/PR/1544. ; Their methods are well published check into Randell Mills publications it not hard to do. And do you people really think Michael H Jordan would give this guy 50 mil on a pot shot? Do any of you even know who I'm talking about. Oh and its far beyond the 3D Shroedinger Equation Seuss this is a Grand Unified Theory of the entire universe we are talking about here. For more on this I suggest you look at this first http://www.millsian.com/tutorial.shtml
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122108 - 10/23/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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>And do you people really think Michael H Jordan would give this guy 50 mil on a pot shot?
I'm sorry, but I don't consider what other people do with their money to be a good way of validating scientific theories.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122124 - 10/23/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You jumped the gun just a little bit on that one zouden keep reading lol.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122164 - 10/23/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> For more on this I suggest you look at this first http://www.millsian.com/tutorial.shtml
I don't need mills tutorial... I've done the math and he is messing it up; intentional or not, I don't know. You cannot simply claim a function is continuous. You have to prove it. He doesn't prove it, because he can't, because it isn't a continuous function, thus it isn't provable. If what he were claiming made sense, then people wouldn't be calling him a quack. Unfortunately, the place where he makes his mistake is fairly deep within the derivation, and is easy to miss. Just because somebody makes up a bunch of BS, doesn't mean that they are correct.
> Do any of you even know who I'm talking about.
Even worse, you don't know what you are talking about. You are simply regurgitating claims that other people have made, assuming that they are correct without having any understanding at all of the science (or lack thereof) behind these claims. You make post after post stating "See this for proof" when you don't have any idea of the validity of the "proof" that you are linking. It is pointless to debate against you because you lack the education needed to understand why these proposals are flawed. You take it on faith that they are correct and refuse to question your faith. Faith is the realm of religion, not science!
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9122211 - 10/23/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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And here's an example of you doing that, buddhahoodlum.
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Baby_Hitler said: http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html
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buddhahoodlum said: Here's another scientific study from an independent source talking about the proposed hydrinos.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html
You posted the same article that Baby_Hitler posted, but you clearly didn't read it yourself, as you thought it was supportive of your case. It's anything but that:
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In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.
In scientific parlance, that's an extremely damning statement.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9122240 - 10/23/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Seuss check this out scientists just discovered a new state of matter but I thought you said that never happened in science lmao. http://www.physorg.com/news143823997.html ;
Oh and guess what scientists are still wondering wtf this universe is made up of so maybe the hydrino could be the missing puzzle piece. Did you read the hydrino paper I posted or was that to complex. http://www.physorg.com/news143714451.html
What I'm getting at is this stuff is far from cut and clear so dismissing Mills claims is like dismissing everyone in the world. Who knows what each of us has to bring to the table just look at Einstein for example.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Oh and guess what scientists are still wondering wtf this universe is made up of so maybe the hydrino could be the missing puzzle piece. Did you read the hydrino paper I posted or was that to complex.
Did you?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122317 - 10/23/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes and did you read this part
Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.
Apparently you did not lmao because it has been validated already.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122362 - 10/23/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> What I'm getting at is this stuff is far from cut and clear so dismissing Mills claims
What I'm getting at is Mills' mathematics is faulty, thus his claims are in error. Taking it to a level that you can understand (I don't mean to belittle you, but I understand that you haven't had calculus), Mills is claiming that 2+2=4 and 2x2=4, 2+3=5, thus 2x3 also equals 5. He then goes on to "prove" a bunch of stuff, assuming that 3x3=6, and 4x4=8, and 4x3=7, etc. I'm saying that the stuff he proves is wrong because 4x3=12, not 7. All the other drivel doesn't matter... he math is incorrect. Be it by mistake, or by willing fraud, I don't know... but it is wrong.
Unfortunately, he is wrong in a tricky place. Much like 2x2=4, and 2+2=4, thus 2+3=5 and 2x3=5. It looks correct unless you really think about what is going on. I missed it the first time around. It took somebody else (much smarter than myself) pointing out that assumption of continuity (which is a big deal in calculus... what you can do with a continuous function, you cannot do with a discontinuous function).
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9122420 - 10/23/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I can see that this is exactly your level of understanding obviously you couldn't make it any more dumbed down and still be coherent which it already isn't. And trust me your not belittling me maybe you think you are but your actually just showing how little you really understand about this topic. The math doesn't even matter other than what it actually does. The proof is in the pudding and its been shown and tested already. Not sure what is so hard to get about that. This is no longer a debate its scientific fact and I'm sure MIT or Stanford will be the next ones to prove it. But you will still be in disbelief I'm sure sigh.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122519 - 10/23/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll believe it when the results are published in Nature or Science. If it's as remarkable as they claim it is, they'll have no trouble getting published in the top journals.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122599 - 10/23/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I give up. If you want to believe that you can walk through walls if you concentrate hard enough, so be it. Invest in the scam and enjoy your rewards, er, losses. I've tried to be nice to you, but not only do you not have an education needed to understand this stuff, you are too dense to accept the word of those that do have an education needed to understand this stuff. So be it.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9122722 - 10/23/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha.
What an absurd thread this is.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122780 - 10/23/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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zouden said: I'll believe it when the results are published in Nature or Science. If it's as remarkable as they claim it is, they'll have no trouble getting published in the top journals.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122786 - 10/23/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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supra said: I still have my one basic question, the same one ive always asked boodahhoodlum, do you not think that if this was possible, and the energy was as easy to make as they say it is, that it would WORLD CHANGING news, and a lot more people would be a lot more interested in it? Not just you the enlightened one, a single university, and then another paper, that simply says they cannot come to a conclusion? I mean seriously, just use basic logic for a second, don't even have to approach it scientifically, just practically.
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buddhahoodlum said: Here's another scientific study from an independent source talking about the proposed hydrinos.
http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html
You posted the same article that Baby_Hitler posted, but you clearly didn't read it yourself, as you thought it was supportive of your case. It's anything but that:
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In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.
In scientific parlance, that's an extremely damning statement.
notice how he completely ignores choice items??? address both of these posts BH.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: supra]
#9122894 - 10/23/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Umm I did address that please read above before posting supra. And yes the one statement at the bottom is really the only thing that matters in that entire paragraph. The Lorent invariance is not as much of a problem as people are pegging it as.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122908 - 10/23/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics.
No, things like this are what matters. This is a polite way of saying "You're out of your mind"
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
#9122952 - 10/23/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Key words their would be reconsidered for interpretation. Please get some reading comprehension classes for yourself before degrading mine. Again the last sentence in the paragraph would be the follow up to that redundant statement. It took Rowan University 8 months to do this experiment do you really think they have the time and money to waste on crackpot theory's that have absolutely no merit? How many CEO of fortune 500 company's can you persuade to give you 50 mil for nothing that's my next question for ya?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9123758 - 10/23/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why did it take them 8 months when it was a 3-month trial?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
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In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.
Haha, yeah that is pretty damning.

Also, I was going to say something along the lines of the bold statement above, but they already said it.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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How many CEO of fortune 500 company's can you persuade to give you 50 mil for nothing that's my next question for ya?
How many fortune 500 companies are currently going under due to poor investments?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9124322 - 10/23/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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This study here is key in understanding the flaws in the Shroedinger Equation.
The Fallacy of Feynman's Argument on the Stability of the Hydrogen Atom According to Quantum Mechanics - R.L. Mills, Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, Vol. 30, No. 2, (2005), pp. 129-151.
http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-302/aflb302m185.pdf
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9124432 - 10/23/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh and by the way Zouden he's already been published in numerous prestigious science journals not Nature but does that really matter? And yes it took em 8 months total but it says July through September for some reason I read that somewhere else can't remember exactly where off the top of my head.
Haha look what I found just published on their site. This is their methods you were looking for Seussie.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC102308WebS.pdf
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9125019 - 10/24/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's just that there's a lot of people claiming to have invented free energy devices like this, and every one of them is trying to sell it. That's why it's so suspicious. The inventors of the battery, the generator, the nuclear reactor and the solar panel didn't try to sell them. The commercialisation happens long after the process is confirmed and validated by the scientific community, and it's usually done by different people to the scientists, since they generally stay in the lab to improve their inventions.
I don't have a problem with people selling their inventions. But look at the Blacklight Power website. See the links on the left? They put business above science. I think that is quite telling.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9125256 - 10/24/08 05:45 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You seem to have a very idealistic view of individual scientists (and CEOs). They are "just" humans. Scientists are also prone to money, wishful thinking and making mistakes. Scientists are not always right and objective, no matter what institution they belong to. Individual science is very subjective and a true scientist is aware of this. You may get excited about this idea, but the amount of trust and believe you put in a few individuals is unrealistic. Especially if it is about free energy. You are far too early to call it proven and validated.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9132099 - 10/25/08 02:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You fail at science.
What scientific background do you have (if any)?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Cepheus]
#9133920 - 10/25/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not the scientist that has to prove it's real. So therefore it doesn't really matter what my scientific background is. I'm just showing you out of generosity. And ya I have a bit of a scientific background otherwise I wouldn't even care about this type of stuff and for that matter I wouldn't of even be able to find info on ZPE if I wasn't scientifically inclined because I would have no clue what it even was. Notice how the mainstream news only talks about wind,solar,geothermal,nuclear,hot fusion?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9133945 - 10/25/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's because those sources of power actually work (apart from fusion, which isn't discussed much). How many homes are powered by zero-point energy?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9133962 - 10/25/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just because something is a theory doesn't mean it doesn't work. Blacklight can tell you that. And I would imagine that there a couple places being powered by ZPE like Magnetic Power Inc and Blacklight Power Inc.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9133986 - 10/25/08 08:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can guarantee you those places are not powered by ZPE. What does a ZPE generator even do? And if they have them, why don't the rest of us?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9134402 - 10/25/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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zouden said: I can guarantee you those places are not powered by ZPE. What does a ZPE generator even do? And if they have them, why don't the rest of us?
because, even though this technology could save the world energy crisis, nobody cares to do it...It works so well, that nobody uses it.

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: supra]
#9134577 - 10/25/08 10:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually yes there is Blacklight is using their prototype to run various things around the warehouse so your out. And also how come none of you have commented on the pdf I posted showing their methods for the experiment isn't that what you wanted to see?
Oh and you might wanna check out this documentary they just made about it.
http://www.blacklightpower.com/Documentary%20Video/blacklight_experiment_video_v2.wmv
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Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/26/08 12:05 AM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9134638 - 10/25/08 11:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you wanna take that bet or not?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9134676 - 10/25/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya I bet there right. Watch the video too you might wanna retract that bet soon afterwards.
Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/25/08 11:30 PM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9139097 - 10/26/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9139549 - 10/26/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Ya I bet there right. Watch the video too you might wanna retract that bet soon afterwards.
You're on. How long do you want to give them before to come out with an actual product--another 20 years?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9140317 - 10/27/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I propose you both send your $5000 to a disinterested intermediary now who will award the money to the winner.
[Note to audience: Based on passed performance, I predict BH will renege on the bet he has already accepted. In fact, I'd wager money on this. A meta-bet!]
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9140343 - 10/27/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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How about a sane amount, like $20. That way there can be a real expectation of payment.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9140524 - 10/27/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9141354 - 10/27/08 10:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Science advancements are made through new theorys otherwise it gets really stagnant.
Let's be clear on something, though.
Many laypeople present new cockamamie ideas that are totally contrary to established ideas, and they meet with resistance not because their ideas are contrary, but because they are LAYPEOPLE.
Name one example of a successful, paradigm-changing scientist who wasn't a practiced expert on the OLD paradigm first. Copernicus? Newton? Harvey? Kepler? Einstein? Maxwell? Watson & Crick? Boltzmann? Mendeleev? Planck? Feynman? Gell-Mann? Hubble? Lyell? Agassiz? Darwin?
All understood the old way before they rocked the world with their new way. Your guys are all hacks who've never done anything but dupe gullible people out of their money, and their publications show they don't even understand the old basics, let alone anything new.
Deliberately ignoring your predecessors might be a good strategy in entrepreneurship, but it's definitely not in science. And THAT'S why every crackpot who reads Popular Mechanics and thinks he's a physicist is ridiculed and ignored. Like we did at your other failed buddy (Steorn) last year and like we're doing again with your new buddy this year. How long before you give up on this one and offer up the next crackpot who dupes you into believing in nonsense?
The day a real Ph.D physicist (not some guy who bought a Ph.D for $200 online) says in a peer-reviewed paper that he's invented a perpetual motion machine, I promise you everyone on Earth will sit up and pay attention. Until then, we'll just laugh at all the fools who 'invest' in the new Earth-shaking idea that somehow never shakes anything.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9145953 - 10/28/08 12:16 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Agreed. How about an interest-bearing trust account to be awarded to the winner (me) when the outcome is determined?
But first we need to establish the full terms of the bet. The main remaining question is, how long do we wait before saying they've failed? Obviously an open-ended bet won't do because BH can keep saying they need more time (they've already been stalling investors for 20 years at this point...)
Edited by ChuangTzu (10/28/08 12:17 AM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9146255 - 10/28/08 01:30 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow do I really need to go over these scientists flawless credentials again? Please don't make me it might take awhile to list all of the Ivy league schools that they've obtained PHD's from. And I would wager that they are going to be commercializing this new power source very soon from what they have said in the documentary. Sometime next year wouldn't be to far off of a guess.
Diploid said
And THAT'S why every crackpot who reads Popular Mechanics and thinks he's a physicist is ridiculed and ignored.
WRONG you got it backwards.
Ever heard of the 9/11 truth movement they hate on that fascist mag all the time. And yet the mainstream media treats it like its god and can dissolve all crackpot conspiracy theories in a snap. So it's not exactly looked upon as a crackpot mag by the public but who cares they freaken support fascists.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9146316 - 10/28/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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>And I would wager that they are going to be commercializing this new power source very soon from what they have said in the documentary. Sometime next year wouldn't be to far off of a guess.
Sure. Like Steorn.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9146525 - 10/28/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: And I would wager that they are going to be commercializing this new power source very soon from what they have said in the documentary. Sometime next year wouldn't be to far off of a guess.
OK, so we should set the terms of the bet at one year?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9149137 - 10/28/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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zouden said: >And I would wager that they are going to be commercializing this new power source very soon from what they have said in the documentary. Sometime next year wouldn't be to far off of a guess.
Sure. Like Steorn.

i remember that one too!!!
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: supra]
#9155597 - 10/29/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Speaking of real physicists publishing about free energy in a peer reviewed journal, that has already happened. Don't get excited, bh, it turned out to be a fraud. Most of you are too young to remember cold fusion and the scientists who claimed they found it. It was believed for a while since it came from a solid source. At first some scientists and universities said that it worked. Then the reports were mixed, then they were all negative. Then it was debunked.
I, on the other hand, do know the secret to perpetual energy. Just send me $20 and I'll send you the plans. Feel free to make a fortune off it.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Stonehenge]
#9155696 - 10/29/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea, that example is good to remember when cases like this come about. You shouldn't believe anything one person, or one article says. There needs to be a consensus.
(side note: fusion, cold or otherwise, is not "free" energy in the sense that it is not perpetual)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9155725 - 10/29/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: And I would wager that they are going to be commercializing this new power source very soon from what they have said in the documentary. Sometime next year wouldn't be to far off of a guess.
OK, so we should set the terms of the bet at one year?
If you each want to send the cash ($5,000 each?) to me, I will put it into a 2 or 3 year certificate of deposit earning about 3.7% interest and that two or three years will be the length of the wager. I will document the whole affair and send you guys whatever information you need to feel comfortable in my role as mediator/escrow agent.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: automan]
#9160329 - 10/30/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one wants to send me money for my unproven plan? OK then, I'll give it away for free. You heard it here first!
You need a treadmill and a squirrel or other small rodent type animal. Hook up the treadmill to a generator and unlimited free energy is yours. Just gather a few acorns and they will stay happy.
Automan, yours is a good scheme, I mean plan, too. I assume you get to keep the interest for your work in the matter?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Stonehenge]
#9161514 - 10/30/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's renewable because you can just grow more acorns, and squirrels.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Stonehenge]
#9161542 - 10/30/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: Automan, yours is a good scheme, I mean plan, too. I assume you get to keep the interest for your work in the matter?
Hadn't thought of it. It seems like that money should go to the winner as well.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9161817 - 10/30/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: The day a real Ph.D physicist (not some guy who bought a Ph.D for $200 online)
You can buy them.....? Link please, I think I need to publish something.... 
These threads are amusing.... The battle is always along the lines of Mysticism Vs Philosophy, but as Illusionists Vs Scientists....

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: PhanTomCat]
#9165200 - 10/31/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, and here one person is right and the other is wrong.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Learyfan]
#9172182 - 11/02/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So buddhahoodlum, are you going to put your money where your mouth is or what? I've been trying to figure out what to do with this $5k anyway and I can't think of a safer way to double my money...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9172355 - 11/02/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone taking side bets
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: blewmeanie]
#9504312 - 12/27/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9504601 - 12/27/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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EXTRA EXTRA!....
TRUST CNN.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9504755 - 12/27/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks like I'm on track to winning this bet.
Funny how you haven't actually put up the money yet. We're all waiting...
Even funnier how BlackLight "hired" a guy to "independently" validate their claims. How is someone on their payroll independent?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9505679 - 12/28/08 03:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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> How is someone on their payroll independent?
It is kinda like those double blind studies... people got tired of having to have their eyes plucked out for science, so now they just pretend to be blind. If they can do double blind studies without people losing both eyes, then certainly that can do independent studies without people actually being independent? The guy just pretends to be independent. It doesn't matter if he is right or wrong, as long as the investors contribute to the cause. It isn't as if they are concerned about being published in peer reviewed journals or anything of that nature.
On a more serious note... I am a bit curious about this power plant they are building. Where can we find out more information? Pictures would be big.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9506346 - 12/28/08 08:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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As with all free-energy frauds, the key is in flashy PR (with a touch of intrigue).
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9506539 - 12/28/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where can we find out more information? Pictures would be big.
According to the CNN report, it will be five years before you'll see pictures of the plant. The perfect amount of time to thoroughly bilk investors before they start to wonder if they've been had. They've been at this since before 2000, by the way.
Realize that this thing is based on Hydrinos (a hydrogen atom with the electron below the ground state) which are almost-certainly nonsense since they would invalidate the single most successful theory in all of science, namely quantum mechanics. Hydrinos also directly contradict many observations besides.
If hydrinos exist, then transistors, whose invention relied on the knowledge given us by the theory, would never have been invented. Same for LEDs, modern disk drives, CPUs, lasers, and a million other inventions that wouldn't exist if quantum mechanics was so wrong.
At most he's stumbled onto some new combustion modality, which would be very cool, but it's also very unlikely; and his explanation is almost-certainly wrong.
This whole thing is a rehash of the Steorn business model of raising money from the apparently endless supply of gullible investors.
I gotta hand it to these guys though. What a great way to make money legally. It's downright religious the way unthinking people send money to Randell Mills. He's raised $50 million so far!
I'm so in the wrong business.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9508984 - 12/28/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I remember you guys saying that this would never even make mainstream news and then you still just cry and say its hoax even though Randell Mills has 30 scientists working for him.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9509235 - 12/28/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Randell Mills has 30 scientists working for him.
So what? George W. Bush has millions of people working for him, including thousands or scientists. What does that prove?
I'm starting to think you're just a troll on some free energy kick...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9509248 - 12/28/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Looks like I'm on track to winning this bet.
Are you going to put up money and agree on terms? Last time I asked you that you disappeared for a few months.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9509250 - 12/28/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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>I remember you guys saying that this would never even make mainstream news
I don't remember anyone saying that. The mainstream news covers all kinds of things.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9510102 - 12/28/08 11:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Randell Mills has 30 scientists working for him.
So what? George W. Bush has millions of people working for him, including thousands or scientists. What does that prove?
I'm starting to think you're just a troll on some free energy kick...
yeah, he has been at it since he registered here. I do hope he wins this non-existant bet, the one he himself has chosen NOT to buy into. If so, then it will be a great discovery, and most certainly help the world...as stated before though, i will not put any faith in this, as these claims have been around for years and years, and have yet to produce one single workable model. Sure, these guys have 'workign reactors', but if they are so great, many many people would be throwing much more than 50 million measly dollars towards it. I hope I eat my words one day and it works, until then, its a false hope IMO>
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: supra]
#9516892 - 12/30/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya I'll bet that they are going to go commercial soon. Okay I win pay up.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9517106 - 12/30/08 09:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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You have been warned about trolling. If you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion, please do not post. I'm not going to warn you much more before I ban you from this forum; something I would rather not do.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9522914 - 12/31/08 10:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was simply responding to what Chuang said don't think that you are superior here Seuss I have just as much a right to free speech on this site as you so get off my back now thanks.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9522930 - 12/31/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also this isn't about bets I was just joking when I said that. This should be something that is celebrated not debated I mean if your really so confused as to how all this works maybe you should contact the inventor directly like Garret said.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9522931 - 12/31/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody has a right to free speech on this site dude. This site is owned by people who have a right to sensor whatever the hell they want.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: DieCommie]
#9522941 - 12/31/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well so much for freedom guess we should just create a lynch mob and go around banning whoever the heck we want. Oh and you spelled sensor wrong its censor.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9522955 - 12/31/08 10:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, you dont understand... Its not your site, its somebody elses - so it is that somebody's freedom to censor whoever they want. A freedom you do have on your own websites.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9522989 - 12/31/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ya ok they can censor whatever if it breaks the sites rules but I haven't broken any by responding to questions therefore it's pointless to even debate this. Also what is it exactly about this process that you find fault with Seuss? You gave your opinion on why the ZPE won't work but not this how come?
-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9523206 - 12/31/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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> You gave your opinion on why the ZPE won't work but not this how come?
I don't know that this one wont work, but I do know that the explanation of why this one supposedly 'does work' (with respect to energy level below the ground state) is incorrect. Regardless, my explaining why Mills is theory is incorrect is pointless. You don't have the level of education needed to understand it (calculus), thus you will immediately dismiss it. Rather than waste my time, I will let you wallow in ignorance as this keeps both of us happy. Nothing I, or anybody else, say is going to change your mind... nor does your opinion matter... thus rather than insult you, I prefer to leave things unsaid. However, since you asked, I answered.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9523720 - 12/31/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum, I'm curious. Do you still think that Steorn's perpetual motion machine works?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Diploid]
#9524048 - 12/31/08 02:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss this has nothing to do with my level of education. How does your education stack up against Mills is the real question. The Shrodinger Equation is wrong you need to figure that part out with your calc tricks.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9524117 - 12/31/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd love to see something like this be proven correct someday, but I don't think I ever will. If Suess says it ain't so, you should listen to him.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9524219 - 12/31/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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> The Shrodinger Equation is wrong you need to figure that part out with your calc tricks.
Mills 'energy level lower than ground state' can be disproven with simple calculus and classical physics (no quantum mechanics).
> Seuss this has nothing to do with my level of education.
If I talk about setting a derivative equal to zero and solving, you wouldn't understand the implications of the calculation. It has everything to do with our level of education. I would be a fool to walk into a restaurant's kitchen and pretend that understand the how to run the thing having never been in culinary school. There is no way I could understand the methods used to estimate how much product to buy based upon portion size, seating, etc, without first understanding the fundamentals involved.
> If Seuss says it ain't so, you should listen to him.
I've been wrong before, and will be again... and am even willing to go so far as to say that Mills might have discovered something (though I doubt it), but Mills explanation of what he has found is bogus... either that, or everything we understand (and I mean everything) about physics is wrong.
It boils down to physics claiming that total energy equals potential energy plus kinetic energy. In order for Mills to be correct, the previous statement has to be false. It is trivial to prove the original statement is true using equations and theories that Mills himself uses. If our understanding of this was incorrect, then satellites wouldn't stay in orbit, transistors wouldn't switch, radio transmitters and receivers wouldn't work, etc...
> Do you still think that Steorn's perpetual motion machine works?
I missed your answer on this question...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9524418 - 12/31/08 04:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > If our understanding of this was incorrect, then satellites wouldn't stay in orbit, transistors wouldn't switch, radio transmitters and receivers wouldn't work, etc...
> Do you still think that Steorn's perpetual motion machine works?
I missed your answer on this question...
So do you know what dark matter is too by your calculations? I didn't think so because it is so exotic it is unexplainable by classical and quantum physics. And do I think Steorn could work yes gravity motors are proven concepts look them up on peswiki.com
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9524576 - 12/31/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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But isn't it pretty obvious by now that Steorn is a scam?
People have been claiming they've invented free energy or perpetual motion for decades (at least) and they'll be doing it for decades still. It is always one of two things: wrong, or knowingly wrong (a scam).
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9524674 - 12/31/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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zouden said: But isn't it pretty obvious by now that Steorn is a scam?
People have been claiming they've invented free energy or perpetual motion for decades (at least) and they'll be doing it for decades still. It is always one of two things: wrong, or knowingly wrong (a scam).
the only reason they can is because certain people keep on falling for it. As long as there is money to be made by making claims as such, they will keep on rolling in.
peace
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9524904 - 12/31/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > How is someone on their payroll independent?
It is kinda like those double blind studies... people got tired of having to have their eyes plucked out for science, so now they just pretend to be blind. If they can do double blind studies without people losing both eyes, then certainly that can do independent studies without people actually being independent?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: automan]
#9557295 - 01/06/09 11:46 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- “I believe that water will one day be employed as fuel, that hydrogen and oxygen which constitute it, used singly or together, will furnish an inexhaustible source of heat and light, of an intensity of which coal is not capable.” – Jules Verne, T “Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by power obtainable at any point in the universe...it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel-work of nature." - Nikola Tesla
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Le_Canard]
#9557371 - 01/06/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: I'd love to see something like this be proven correct someday, but I don't think I ever will. If Suess says it ain't so, you should listen to him.
im not so sure about suess.
get ythan to say it and it shall be written in stone.

p.s. i cant believe this fucking thread is still going.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#15122262 - 09/23/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where's my free energy, man?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
#15130228 - 09/25/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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If generating tons of money for nothing is not free energy, then what is?
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> If generating tons of money for nothing is not free energy, then what is?
I think you are confusing free energy with green energy. (Referring to Al Gore making tons of money from trading carbon credits in a phoney industry that he created.)
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