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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #9122211 - 10/23/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And here's an example of you doing that, buddhahoodlum.

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http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html



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Here's another scientific study from an independent source talking about the proposed hydrinos.

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html



You posted the same article that Baby_Hitler posted, but you clearly didn't read it yourself, as you thought it was supportive of your case. It's anything but that:
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In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.



In scientific parlance, that's an extremely damning statement.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #9122240 - 10/23/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Hey Seuss check this out scientists just discovered a new state of matter but I thought you said that never happened in science lmao.  http://www.physorg.com/news143823997.html 

Oh and guess what scientists are still wondering wtf this universe is made up of so maybe the hydrino could be the missing puzzle piece.  Did you read the hydrino paper I posted or was that to complex. http://www.physorg.com/news143714451.html

What I'm getting at is this stuff is far from cut and clear so dismissing Mills claims is like dismissing everyone in the world. Who knows what each of us has to bring to the table just look at Einstein for example.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9122280 - 10/23/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh and guess what scientists are still wondering wtf this universe is made up of so maybe the hydrino could be the missing puzzle piece.  Did you read the hydrino paper I posted or was that to complex.



Did you? :lol:


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
    #9122317 - 10/23/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes and did you read this part

Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.

Apparently you did not lmao because it has been validated already.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
    #9122362 - 10/23/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

> What I'm getting at is this stuff is far from cut and clear so dismissing Mills claims

What I'm getting at is Mills' mathematics is faulty, thus his claims are in error.  Taking it to a level that you can understand (I don't mean to belittle you, but I understand that you haven't had calculus), Mills is claiming that 2+2=4 and 2x2=4, 2+3=5, thus 2x3 also equals 5.  He then goes on to "prove" a bunch of stuff, assuming that 3x3=6, and 4x4=8, and 4x3=7, etc.  I'm saying that the stuff he proves is wrong because 4x3=12, not 7.  All the other drivel doesn't matter... he math is incorrect.  Be it by mistake, or by willing fraud, I don't know... but it is wrong.

Unfortunately, he is wrong in a tricky place.  Much like 2x2=4, and 2+2=4, thus 2+3=5 and 2x3=5.  It looks correct unless you really think about what is going on.  I missed it the first time around.  It took somebody else (much smarter than myself) pointing out that assumption of continuity (which is a big deal in calculus... what you can do with a continuous function, you cannot do with a discontinuous function).


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #9122420 - 10/23/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well I can see that this is exactly your level of understanding obviously you couldn't make it any more dumbed down and still be coherent which it already isn't.  And trust me your not belittling me maybe you think you are but your actually just showing how little you really understand about this topic.  The math doesn't even matter other than what it actually does.  The proof is in the pudding and its been shown and tested already. Not sure what is so hard to get about that.  This is no longer a debate its scientific fact and I'm sure MIT or Stanford will be the next ones to prove it.  But you will still be in disbelief I'm sure sigh.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9122519 - 10/23/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'll believe it when the results are published in Nature or Science. If it's as remarkable as they claim it is, they'll have no trouble getting published in the top journals.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9122599 - 10/23/08 05:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I give up.  If you want to believe that you can walk through walls if you concentrate hard enough, so be it.  Invest in the scam and enjoy your rewards, er, losses.  I've tried to be nice to you, but not only do you not have an education needed to understand this stuff, you are too dense to accept the word of those that do have an education needed to understand this stuff.  So be it.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #9122722 - 10/23/08 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Haha.

What an absurd thread this is.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
    #9122780 - 10/23/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll believe it when the results are published in Nature or Science. If it's as remarkable as they claim it is, they'll have no trouble getting published in the top journals.




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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
    #9122786 - 10/23/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I still have my one basic question, the same one ive always asked boodahhoodlum, do you not think that if this was possible, and the energy was as easy to make as they say it is, that it would WORLD CHANGING news, and a lot more people would be a lot more interested in it?  Not just you the enlightened one, a single university, and then another paper, that simply says they cannot come to a conclusion?  I mean seriously, just use basic logic for a second, don't even have to approach it scientifically, just practically.

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And here's an example of you doing that, buddhahoodlum.

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http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html



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Here's another scientific study from an independent source talking about the proposed hydrinos.

http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/1367-2630/7/1/127/njp5_1_127.html



You posted the same article that Baby_Hitler posted, but you clearly didn't read it yourself, as you thought it was supportive of your case. It's anything but that:
Quote:

In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.



In scientific parlance, that's an extremely damning statement.




notice how he completely ignores choice items???  address both of these posts BH.

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: supra]
    #9122894 - 10/23/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Umm I did address that please read above before posting supra.  And yes the one statement at the bottom is really the only thing that matters in that entire paragraph.  The Lorent invariance is not as much of a problem as people are pegging it as.


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9122908 - 10/23/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics.




No, things like this are what matters.  This is a polite way of saying "You're out of your mind"


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9122952 - 10/23/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Key words their would be reconsidered for interpretation. Please get some reading comprehension classes for yourself before degrading mine.  Again the last sentence in the paragraph would be the follow up to that redundant statement.  It took Rowan University 8 months to do this experiment do you really think they have the time and money to waste on crackpot theory's that have absolutely no merit?  How many CEO of fortune 500 company's can you persuade to give you 50 mil for nothing that's my next question for ya?


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Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/23/08 07:11 PM)

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9123758 - 10/23/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why did it take them 8 months when it was a 3-month trial? :strokebeard:


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
    #9123972 - 10/23/08 09:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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In this paper, we have considered the theoretical foundations of the hydrino hypothesis, both within the theoretical framework of CQM, in which hydrinos were originally suggested, and within standard quantum mechanics. We found that CQM is inconsistent and has several serious deficiencies. Amongst these are the failure to reproduce the energy levels of the excited states of the hydrogen atom, and the absence of Lorentz invariance. Most importantly, we found that CQM does not predict the existence of hydrino states! Also, standard quantum mechanics cannot encompass hydrino states, with the properties currently attributed to them. Hence there remains no theoretical support of the hydrino hypothesis. This strongly suggests that the experimental evidence put forward in favour of the existence of hydrinos should be reconsidered for interpretation in terms of conventional physics. This reconsideration of the experimental data is beyond the scope of the current paper. Also, to understand properly the experimental results presented by Mills et al , it would be helpful if these were independently reproduced by some other experimental groups.




Haha, yeah that is pretty damning.

:rotfl:

Also, I was going to say something along the lines of the bold statement above, but they already said it.

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9123987 - 10/23/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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How many CEO of fortune 500 company's can you persuade to give you 50 mil for nothing that's my next question for ya?




How many fortune 500 companies are currently going under due to poor investments?  :wink:

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #9124322 - 10/23/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

This study here is key in understanding the flaws in the Shroedinger Equation.

The Fallacy of Feynman's Argument on the Stability of the Hydrogen Atom According to Quantum Mechanics - R.L. Mills, Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, Vol. 30, No. 2, (2005), pp. 129-151.

http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-302/aflb302m185.pdf


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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9124432 - 10/23/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Oh and by the way Zouden he's already been published in numerous prestigious science journals not Nature but does that really matter?  And yes it took em 8 months total but it says July through September for some reason I read that somewhere else can't remember exactly where off the top of my head.

Haha look what I found just published on their site. This is their methods you were looking for Seussie.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC102308WebS.pdf


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Edited by buddhahoodlum (10/23/08 11:23 PM)

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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
    #9125019 - 10/24/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's just that there's a lot of people claiming to have invented free energy devices like this, and every one of them is trying to sell it. That's why it's so suspicious. The inventors of the battery, the generator, the nuclear reactor and the solar panel didn't try to sell them. The commercialisation happens long after the process is confirmed and validated by the scientific community, and it's usually done by different people to the scientists, since they generally stay in the lab to improve their inventions.

I don't have a problem with people selling their inventions. But look at the Blacklight Power website. See the links on the left? They put business above science. I think that is quite telling.


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