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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9112131 - 10/21/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sure hope this is true, but a the same time, i would not put a single ounce of trust in it.
Time will tell FOR SURE whether or not this is true, if it is the solution to all of our energy problems, rest assured it will spread very quickly. We should all set a reminder to report back to this thread once every year, and see what comes of this 'technology'. Im willing to bet nothing, yet again, but alas, i sure hope something does.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9114123 - 10/22/08 04:08 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Seuss did you not read the Rowan University report
I read the pdf you posted. I refuse to read anything in MS Word, so if you are referring to the second link you provided, then no, I did not read that. I don't need to read their drivel to understand that what they are proposing goes against all known laws of physics. If what they have is real, then everything we know is wrong. You continue to jump on the wishful thinking bandwagon without understanding what it is they are proposing. You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9114151 - 10/22/08 04:35 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol, I was going ot post the same thing about the .doc format- singularly most annoying format ever... some courts post their rulings in that forum too- absurd
And I read teh "executive summary" and saw a claim of "we don't know" not whatever it is you (original poster) are claiming. There's a difference.
And that paper didn't, in the summary or conclusions anyways, explain what they did or what the device they were using was. They did manage to kiss the ass of BLP constantly though...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9115322 - 10/22/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seuss said: You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
you cant?
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#9115879 - 10/22/08 02:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu, I'll take that bet. Oh wait a minute, we are both betting on the same side. We need someone to take the other side of it. I remember Pons and Flieshman, two highly respected scientists who told the world years ago about cold fusion. It turned out to be bullshit too but a lot of universities said it was true until it was proven otherwise.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#9115912 - 10/22/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok then I guess Rowan University is completely wrong right Seuss those people with doctorates wth do they know anyways. Oh and your stance on this is final then Seuss since you say it's impossible. Or maybe your just afraid you might have to retake some college courses? Not sure why you can't grasp this but its already confirmed science every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116027 - 10/22/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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ill believe it when i see it being confirmed by more sources. one independent confirmation isnt really enough to get a hard-on.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116111 - 10/22/08 02:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Ok then I guess Rowan University is completely wrong right Seuss
Read carefully... it is impossible to know if they are right or wrong as they didn't provide the information needed to make an informed judgment. Given other details, I would guess they are wrong. First, they are far from independent, as BLP and the primary investigator have strong financial ties. Second, they didn't publish their methods, only their results. Third, they are breaking the known laws of physics; something which traditionally fails and usually an indication of a con. Fourth, Rowan is far from a "top engineering school". I looked at their curriculum. They do decently in chemical engineering, but not much else.
> Not sure why you can't grasp this but its already confirmed science every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
In English please.
> one independent confirmation isnt really enough to get a hard-on.
It isn't independent. There is a financial relationship between the primary investigator, Peter Jansson, at Rowan University and BLP, Inc. Regardless, until they publish their methodology, any published results are rubbish. Instead of discussing methods, they talk about moving everything to a more secure location. This kind of BS is not science, but it looks good to potential investors. At least they aren't using magnets...
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116157 - 10/22/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: Yep looks like it. And this one is for you Seuss
R. Mills, P. Ray, B. Dhandapani, W.Good, P. Jansson, M. Nansteel, J. He, A. Voigt " Spectroscopic and NMR Identification of Novel Hydride Ions in Fractional Quantum Energy States Formed by an Exothermic Reaction of Atomic Hydrogen with Certain Catalysts," Eur. Phys. J. Appl. Phys. (5 August 2004)
Sorry, but Mills is a quack. All of his BS is based upon the assumption that the radical part of the 3D Shroedinger Equation (when solved using separation of variables) is continuous. He then goes on to rewrite the laws of physics based upon his assumption. Unfortunately, his assumption is incorrect.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss]
#9116172 - 10/22/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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edit: meant to be a reply to the op
Edited by phi1618 (10/22/08 03:05 PM)
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9116224 - 10/22/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: every university would believe Rowan their a top engineering school.
One thing you apparently fail to realize is that most of the people disagreeing with you are, in fact, trained scientists.
No matter how much you wish the claims were true, you can't invalidate long-standing physical laws with one poorly documented experiment and wishful thinking alone.
I know of no experiment ever done that has ever contradicted quantum mechanics. I'm not saying that won't happen, and in fact it probably will one day, but when it does happen, it will be incredible news and won't be generally accepted until it is repeated many, many times around the world, and every possible alternative explanation is discounted. Even then, it will take a while to sink in.
Where is the document showing the actual claims and the procedure used? I will attempt to replicate it on my own.
One experiment doesn't prove anything.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Seuss] 1
#9116808 - 10/22/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You might as well claim that if you concentrate hard enough, you can walk through solid walls.
No Seuss, when the time comes, you won't NEED to.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: RuNE]
#9117038 - 10/22/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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wow, i have read this thread like 5 times, and its always buddah with a new zero point energy, casmir effect power generating idea that defies the laws of physics, and then every one tells him he is wrong, and then he gets pissed.
to be honest, the first few times i busted out a bag of good ol' extra butter microwave popcorn and sat back and watched the show, but this is getting a little old.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: ZippoZ]
#9117187 - 10/22/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ha yeah, almost as old as legitimate breakthroughs becoming 'imminent domain' of governments.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: Middleman]
#9117495 - 10/22/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I still have my one basic question, the same one ive always asked boodahhoodlum, do you not think that if this was possible, and the energy was as easy to make as they say it is, that it would WORLD CHANGING news, and a lot more people would be a lot more interested in it? Not just you the enlightened one, a single university, and then another paper, that simply says they cannot come to a conclusion? I mean seriously, just use basic logic for a second, don't even have to approach it scientifically, just practically.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9119797 - 10/23/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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buddhahoodlum said: And if you want more details on the actual procedures involved you need to read this this and his 1500 somethin page book explaining his Grand Unified Theory.
Instant fail. Scientists do not write books about their theories. They publish papers. Papers are verified. Books aren't. Ergo, scientists who write books are doing so because they think they can sidestep the scientific process.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: zouden]
#9122091 - 10/23/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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First of all yes Rowan is a top engineering school here is proof of this http://www.rowan.edu/today/news/index/PR/1544. ; Their methods are well published check into Randell Mills publications it not hard to do. And do you people really think Michael H Jordan would give this guy 50 mil on a pot shot? Do any of you even know who I'm talking about. Oh and its far beyond the 3D Shroedinger Equation Seuss this is a Grand Unified Theory of the entire universe we are talking about here. For more on this I suggest you look at this first http://www.millsian.com/tutorial.shtml
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122108 - 10/23/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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>And do you people really think Michael H Jordan would give this guy 50 mil on a pot shot?
I'm sorry, but I don't consider what other people do with their money to be a good way of validating scientific theories.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122124 - 10/23/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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You jumped the gun just a little bit on that one zouden keep reading lol.
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Re: BlackLight Power Inc Validated!!! [Re: buddhahoodlum]
#9122164 - 10/23/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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> For more on this I suggest you look at this first http://www.millsian.com/tutorial.shtml
I don't need mills tutorial... I've done the math and he is messing it up; intentional or not, I don't know. You cannot simply claim a function is continuous. You have to prove it. He doesn't prove it, because he can't, because it isn't a continuous function, thus it isn't provable. If what he were claiming made sense, then people wouldn't be calling him a quack. Unfortunately, the place where he makes his mistake is fairly deep within the derivation, and is easy to miss. Just because somebody makes up a bunch of BS, doesn't mean that they are correct.
> Do any of you even know who I'm talking about.
Even worse, you don't know what you are talking about. You are simply regurgitating claims that other people have made, assuming that they are correct without having any understanding at all of the science (or lack thereof) behind these claims. You make post after post stating "See this for proof" when you don't have any idea of the validity of the "proof" that you are linking. It is pointless to debate against you because you lack the education needed to understand why these proposals are flawed. You take it on faith that they are correct and refuse to question your faith. Faith is the realm of religion, not science!
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