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why are some people smarter than others?
    #910345 - 09/26/02 07:03 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Today I had a conversation with a friend who is very "smart". He has a very efficient brain when it comes to doing math (99% average), playing chess (beat a Master for a $600 handcrafted chessboard, won multiple tournaments) and remembering things. Why is his brain more efficient than the average person? Are there any theories why "gifted" people are gifted?

My theory is that neurotransmitters in his brain somehow take "shortcuts" that link directly with brain parts that deal with analytical thinking and memory storage. He claims it's just luck.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910361 - 09/26/02 07:15 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

genetics, and apllying your full potential?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910365 - 09/26/02 07:18 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

>Are there any theories why "gifted" people are gifted?

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910366 - 09/26/02 07:18 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

i don't think it's genetic.... i think it has something to do with the stimuli you got when your brain was developing... if you take an average japanese person, for instance... it will be "smarter" than the average european... and the average european will be smarter than the average american... the japanese has a HUGE language to learn and deal with, memorize symbols, different meanings, pronounciation (an average japanese person knows only 1/3 of his own language)... so his brain is constantly stimulated... the european is your average person, not so different from the american, but when it comes to education... i must be honest i think the education people in america get sucks big time... people in the states are raised to be dumb and follow like sheep... the people on this board are the exception, and i am thankful for them... a lot of great minds in here... but well... i guess every mind has equal potential, it all comes to how it is raised, educated and used...
then again some parts of the mind work better for some individuals than for others... every person has its gifts, and its weaknesses... but there is nothing that can't be learned...


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910373 - 09/26/02 07:22 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

He's an alien. Duh.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910375 - 09/26/02 07:22 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

Chess is the shit...


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: In(di)go]
    #910442 - 09/26/02 08:04 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

I've been trying to think of a reply to this... and I realised: so called 'Great' minds = Aware minds.

I belive being "smart" is just a matter of how expanded ones awareness is. With enough free time, one could exapnd their awareness into many different fields, thus becoming "smarter". Some people use their free time doing constructive things, like reading, creating art, debating, etc. A large number of people in this country spend their free time putting in over time on the job, watching tv, abusing their bodies (explosive sports like football etc.) and, when they're lucky, lying on beaches getting skin cancer and drinking alcoholic drinks. I say this assuming chodamunky was referring to people in Amerika in his post...


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: dee_N_ae]
    #910485 - 09/26/02 08:33 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: matts]
    #910509 - 09/26/02 08:44 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

LOL


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: In(di)go]
    #910630 - 09/26/02 09:44 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

if it's not genetic, then please explain why some adopted children have vastly differing IQ's from their adoptive parents, and why asian-americans who have been raised in our culture and in our schools still perform significantly higher on standardized tests.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #910636 - 09/26/02 09:46 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

your theory is wack for obvious reasons. why don't you get a degree in neuroscience or neurobiology or the ilk... then you can have something approximating true knowledge instead of all of these wild conjectures and hair brained "theories." :smile:


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: vaporbrains]
    #910643 - 09/26/02 09:48 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

lmfao
what?
I don't know of any neuroscientist that believes intelligence isn't at least in part determined by genetics.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: In(di)go]
    #910652 - 09/26/02 09:51 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

In reply to:

i guess every mind has equal potential,



even a Down's Syndrome mind?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #910674 - 09/26/02 10:02 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

people are far from being inherently equal.
look at some babies, you can tell that some are just SMARTER from birth.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #910812 - 09/26/02 10:50 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

It is a combination of nature and nurture, genetics and environment.

40. B-K6 answered by: P-R4  :smile: :wink: :grin:

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: ]
    #910817 - 09/26/02 10:52 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

agreed.
the potential is genetic
whether or not one lives up to that potential is not


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: ]
    #910843 - 09/26/02 11:01 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

40. B-K6 answered by: P-R4

I hate those cheesey movies where two "highly intelligent" people are playing chess and one guy says,"Check!". The opponent looks stunned for a moment, then pushes a piece and proclaims, "Checkmate!"



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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Swami]
    #910855 - 09/26/02 11:06 PM (19 years, 6 days ago)

lole.
though it is possible that getting oneself out of check can also lead to checkmating your opponent, it's more likely that the writer/director of the movie doesn't know how to play chess :smile:


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #911092 - 09/27/02 12:42 AM (19 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Swami]
    #911131 - 09/27/02 01:04 AM (19 years, 5 days ago)

Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

These two moves are actually historic. They are the last two moves, the first by Spassky, the second by Fischer, in the tournament held in the 70's.

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #911138 - 09/27/02 01:08 AM (19 years, 5 days ago)

I think it has to do with what Shroomery handle you choose...


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: matts]
    #911908 - 09/27/02 11:21 AM (19 years, 5 days ago)

Stephen Hawking has Lou Gehrig's Syndrome, not Down's Syndrome.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #911962 - 09/27/02 11:54 AM (19 years, 5 days ago)

Every mind has the potential for a universal intelligence, its just different ways of thinking. there things blocking everyone from having the perfect way of thinking.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: The_Clash_UK]
    #912305 - 09/27/02 02:43 PM (19 years, 5 days ago)

each person has the perfect way of thinking according to what they came to experience...


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: In(di)go]
    #912495 - 09/27/02 04:35 PM (19 years, 5 days ago)

Why are some people smarter than others?

why isnt everyone exactly the same?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #912730 - 09/27/02 06:06 PM (19 years, 5 days ago)

We are equal but not the same.

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: matts]
    #914642 - 09/28/02 12:50 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

In reply to:

I know a guy at my high school had downs, and he was the smartest person in the school. He could only see in the red spectrum, couldn't talk, and had trouble walking. He communicated by 'typing' with a mouse pad that had the letters of the alphabet on it. He was graduating with honors and going into college, when he was 15. Furthermore, they didn't know he had any potential to communicate until he was older.




I think you're confused.
down's syndrome is characterized by significant mental retardation. its victims require specialized education and job training because they don't have the potential to get to college... it is said they don't get past the intellectual level of an 8 year old.
they don't have communication problems, exactly, they can be friendly and talkative, but don't expect to discuss politics or philosophy with them.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #914707 - 09/28/02 01:39 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Your friend demonstrates a specific type of intelligence - one that has practical/material benefits associated with it. Like all types of intelligence, each type can be seen as bounded, or on a continuum that fades in and out.
I am more of a 'word' person than a 'numbers' person. My logical capabilities seem to take shape with words, while I have to check my plastic tip-guide in a restaurant for basic arithmetic. There are athletes with 'kinaesthetic' intelligence - individuals in all arenas: tennis, football, basketball, golf, boxing, etc. who may or may not have word or number mastery (the stereotypical dumb-jock who gets paid big bucks, but speaks like he is retarded).

MY question, as well as my lament, is 'why aren't there women who have the physical attributes of a porn star, with the moral development of a saint, and the mental capabilities of a philosopher-scientist. Why are there thousands upon thousands of unbelievably gorgeous-looking women on the net and in mags, who are intellectual and moral morons? Comedian Chris Rock said that when Carmen Electra was asked by Howard Stern, 'who freed the slaves?,' (i.e., Lincoln), she didn't know!

On the flip-flop, why is Mike Tyson's kinesthetic and physical attributes so disproportionate to his mental-moral attributes? Why is Stephen Hawking's mind conjoined to a ravaged body such that lying or name-calling (electronically speaking) could even be the extent of his moral-immoral behavior? So these are philosophical questions to your question, not answers. I do not look for the physiological descriptions of optimal neuronal functioning, but rather to this grotesque imbalance that can create the stunning, stupid suicidal slut Savannah, who kills herself for a scar on her cheek; and a sensitive, selfless but suffering John Merrick (the Elephant Man) who endures a living hell until his own deformity kills him. I am left with the question..."WTF?!"


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #914943 - 09/28/02 03:47 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Incredible Markos.  I like your questions better than your answers. :wink:  (teasing)

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    #915083 - 09/28/02 04:40 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks...I think.  :smile:


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #915099 - 09/28/02 04:52 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Good, that always helps. :wink:

I think too.  I hope it shows. :smile:

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    #915112 - 09/28/02 04:57 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Yes, it does. Now check your e mail.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #915133 - 09/28/02 05:08 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Boy am I glad you told me to check my e-mail!

It is set to exclusive and unless I authorize a person's address it goes immediately to the trash can. I have set it now so yours will always get through.

I really really really really really really really hate spam!

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    #915202 - 09/28/02 05:41 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

This is good, 'cause if you look again, I've sent a quick story that WILL make you LOL.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #915250 - 09/28/02 05:57 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

LOL  Yes, that was funny!

This is why I stick to sticky putty.  Otherwise I get confused. :wink:

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #915689 - 09/28/02 10:10 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

i think being "smart" it has more to do with your perspective of the world. Your perspective determines your level calmness, introversion, extroversion, your level of concentration and interest in the world. it determines if you are curious about the world and more willing to question dogma. everyone has a unique perspective of the world which i believe is influenced 85% by environment from a young age and 15% dna.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915699 - 09/28/02 10:13 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

how did you come up with these percents?
maybe some people are influenced 50% by environment and 50% by dna
or maybe some are influenced 85% by DNA and 15% by environment


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915711 - 09/28/02 10:17 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

just a rough personal guess. nothing scientific. i was just trying to say that i think that we are more a reflection of our environment than ourselves.

do you think you would use a fork when you eat if you werent influenced to do so? what about speak english or wipe your ass? almost everything we do we were influenced to do. i estimate that 85% or more of everthing that we (mentally and physically) do is influenced by our environment.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915713 - 09/28/02 10:18 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

I thought you were talking about one's "perspective on the world", not simply useful learned behaviors


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915717 - 09/28/02 10:20 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

our behaviors reflect our perspective.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915725 - 09/28/02 10:23 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

I disagree
the fact that I use a fork when I eat or speak english has nothing to do with the way I view the world.
I use a fork because it's less messy than eating with my hands.
I speak english because it's how I learned to communicate.
using a fork doesn't make me like spaghetti or BBQ chicken any less than if I ate them without it.
using english to communicate my ideas doesn't make those ideas different than if I had learned japanese.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915727 - 09/28/02 10:23 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

some say language isnt usefull. some say it confines the mind to words and symbols.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915731 - 09/28/02 10:25 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

then why are some people unable to express ideas through conventional language?
my mind certainly isn't confined.
language enables and simultaneously restricts communication, not thought.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915739 - 09/28/02 10:25 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

did you invent the fork? Did you invent the english language?
would you like eating bbq ribs with chopsticks?

are we arguing the 85% thing or..... what are we arguing about?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915743 - 09/28/02 10:27 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

I'm arguing that learned behaviors do not necessarily affect one's perspective


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915744 - 09/28/02 10:27 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

"then why are some people unable to express ideas through conventional language?"

that is precisly my point. our consciousness is reduced to bunch of symbols.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915746 - 09/28/02 10:28 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

then your point makes no sense.

if our minds were restricted by language, no thought would be incommunicable.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915750 - 09/28/02 10:29 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Hey hey hey, let's not get all emotional about it!

I don't want to warn you again. Some people use spaghetti to communicate with each other. Is that a bad thing? You're acting like your aftershave caught on fire.

This is neither here nor there.

And in case you were wondering I DO speak typo.

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915760 - 09/28/02 10:33 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

our brains only have so much capacity to recall linguistic information. it would be impossible to have a word for every single thing in existence. language focuses our consciousness in a different sector of the brain, one that is confined to symbols.

this language argument is pointless because im not going to say that we shouldn't have language i just think that people should realize the impact of language on our consciousness.

language is a learned behavior and i believe that people with different languages see the world differently.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915776 - 09/28/02 10:39 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

In reply to:

language focuses our consciousness in a different sector of the brain, one that is confined to symbols.






as I said, if this were true, no thought would be incommunicable, because we would all think in known symbols. "language".
consciousness isn't "focused" anywhere.
are you not conscious in a non-linguistic way of your own pain when you injure yourself?
at that moment are you thinking "oh, that's pain"
I'm sure not.
I'm reacting to consciousness of something which has nothing to do with words at the time.
when one deconstructs one's language and culture to the point that one arrives upon some sort of "realization" that can't be put into words, is that "thinking in symbols"? it's the exact opposite. it's removing oneself from those symbols


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915777 - 09/28/02 10:40 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

is communication all together a learned behavior then?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: CleverName]
    #915784 - 09/28/02 10:42 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

exactly. the syntax has to be known by more than one person and we werent born with knowledge of words. however facial gestures and sound volume of spoken communication is something we are born with.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: CleverName]
    #915788 - 09/28/02 10:42 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

proper language is learned behavior, obviously, but I think the urge for communication with others may be somewhat instinctual in our species


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915792 - 09/28/02 10:45 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

In reply to:

. however facial gestures and sound volume of spoken communication is something we are born with.




no
babies don't know that smiling means "happy", they're just copying your expression when you smile at them. I don't remember enough to go into detail on this


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915805 - 09/28/02 10:51 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

we just inherited that evolutioanry trait from our primate bretheren


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915817 - 09/28/02 10:54 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

actually in my college level psychology class we were taught that facial gestures are programed into our brain. it is a product of evolution. the ability to recognize if someone is hostill or not. maybe what they teach us in college is completely wrong? i dunno.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915822 - 09/28/02 10:56 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

well, obviously, whoever wrote your college textbooks and whatever scientist wrote what I read disagree.
so who knows.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915844 - 09/28/02 11:05 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

actually it is somewhat proven. we were shown a video where a guy had his corpus collosum cut and he was shown a picture of a person's face made out of vegetables. his right and left eye were only able to see the right and left half of the face respectively and he was only shown one side at a time. i dont remember which side it was but when they showed him one side he said he saw a bunch of vegetables. when they showed him the other side he said he saw a human face. what this proves is that our ability to decifer the human face resides in one of the halves of our brain meaning that we are programed to know what a human face is supposed to look like and what different expressions mean.


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    #915849 - 09/28/02 11:07 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

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    #915853 - 09/28/02 11:09 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

what?


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    #915859 - 09/28/02 11:11 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915860 - 09/28/02 11:11 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

this only shows that we have the ability to recognize human faces, not that we have ingrained facial expressions that are instinctual. smiling is pretty much common to our entire species but within different cultures and subcultures there is use of expression for different purposes...
I saw a documentary on autism which showed that we DO have a natural abililty(more a natural need) to recognize the human face... when we lack this ability, it leads to autism. when normal individuals were shown pictures of human faces, a certain interior region of the brain "lit up" so to speak... autistic individuals' brains reacted the same way to human faces as they did to houses and cars. this single neural dysfunction leads to the individual being almost entirely unable to function in society without assistance, because how is one to be interested in one's peers if they don't even know they exist?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915865 - 09/28/02 11:14 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

but how could we have evolved to know what a human face looks like but not know what a universal facial gesture looks like?
I think it is improbable that we evolved independantly from natural human behavior such as smiling.


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    #915872 - 09/28/02 11:17 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

"I think it is improbable that we evolved...."

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915873 - 09/28/02 11:19 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

those gestures aren't exactly universal.
smiling is one of the easiest expressions to make with your face, but it represents more than one emotion
notice that crying is just smiling through tears.
also, expressions do not always represent real emotions. you may smile when you're not happy to be polite, or in bitchy sarcasm. it is a learned behavior which can be used to your advantage. it's not happy=smile, sad=frown. if this were true everyone would have completely transparent personalities


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    #915874 - 09/28/02 11:19 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

yet we share 95% of our dna with chimps. we have a fossil record of hominids.
where did we come from if we didn't evolve?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915896 - 09/28/02 11:25 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

smiling isn't universal?
have you ever had uncontrollable laughter as in you didn't have any choice but to laugh because that is what your brain was telling you to do. its the smame thing as sneazing. expression dont always represent real emotions. sometimes we fake expressions. can we also fake yawn and fake sneeze. usually we can tell when someone is faking. some people are pretty transparent. i can see right through a lot of people. the more fake facial expressions someone gives the more i try to stay away from them.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915985 - 09/29/02 12:08 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

laughter is partially a learned behavior and partially empathetic
why do you think they put laugh-tracks and live audiences in sitcoms?
people are laughing, it must be funny. ahahhahah. good show.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #916766 - 09/29/02 02:12 PM (19 years, 3 days ago)

some say language isnt usefull[sic].

But it is useful to tell others that language is not useful...



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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #917328 - 09/29/02 07:13 PM (19 years, 3 days ago)

yet we share 95% of our dna with chimps

I don't wanna share. GIMME BACK MY DNA!


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #923532 - 10/01/02 07:51 PM (19 years, 1 day ago)

Hmmm...thats a tough question but I seriously believe it has to do with stimulation early on. All the people I know who read a lot or were read to as children tend to be "smarter". By that I mean they have a more extensive vocabulary, can spell, understand grammar and are quite eloquent with language. In addition to that, people who read more or do other things that excercise their brains (like playing chess) tend to be able to think faster and solve problems easier. I do believe that genetics play a role, however, I believe this is almost useless unless it is excercised. A child can have the brain with the most potential in the world, but they will not go very far without stimulation. Similarly, a child can be born with very little brain potential but will go far if they are shown proper stimulus. This is all just opinion, though....don't take it as fact.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Spiffy]
    #923825 - 10/01/02 09:39 PM (19 years, 1 day ago)

I also belive it has to do somehwat on your perspective on the world, "If you want to learn" or "have to learn".
I think it all depends on you. You can learn as much as you can intake.
I believe your mind is like a muscle and when excersized it can become stronger (i.e. more intellectual)
I mean look at how mushroom cultivation at first glance seems extremely complicated and hard, but once learned becomes second nature.
Another factor that I believe sets these people apart, are that they have been brought up in supportive homes and have families that tell them they are smart; and therefore are not constrained by mental blocks such as poeple that have been called stupid there whole life, these poeple develop a complex which can limit there intellectual capabilities.
If this mind set is taken, one in which you believe your mind is like a muscle, then one can overcome these mental obstacles.

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #924397 - 10/02/02 09:05 AM (19 years, 14 hours ago)

Well, It could have to do with anything from genetics, to expereince. Some people are just smarter than others. I think the way the brain works, is based mosty on chemistry, and not expereince. Sure expereince breeds wisdom, which may create an illusion of intelligence, but I think people are born, with a certain way of thinking about stuff like analictical,philisophical,musical,etc, and they'tr brain will naturally be better at it. Practice always makes perfect though. I beleive someone may train they're mind for certain things, but will still have a foundation of talent already in they're brain. Unfortunatly I dont have a dagree in bio-psycology, which could come in handy right about now.


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    #924874 - 10/02/02 02:10 PM (19 years, 9 hours ago)

I think chemistry plays a less-direct role... metaprogramming... different levels of programming...

Sure, the foundation of thought lies in the structure of the brain (chemicals, etc...), but I think that consciousness is a secondary program running on top of another program(s)... This allows for both adaptability AND a more "crash-proof" memory. Sorry if this all sounds so sterile... it's from a computer science /chemist's POV (temporary belief system, folks).


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: chodamunky]
    #926194 - 10/02/02 10:02 PM (19 years, 1 hour ago)

My theory is that neurotransmitters in his brain somehow take "shortcuts" that link directly with brain parts that deal with analytical thinking and memory storage. He claims it's just luck.

Why don't you look at his handwriting. Generally speaking and from what I have observe, analytical thinking traits will appear like 'v' (angular) shape in letters of h, m, n, u, y, w. Comprehensive thinking is like 'u' (garland) shape in h = upside down hump; m = inverse upside down; n = inverse upside down; w = two u's; and r = upside down. I've seen a physicist's exemplar like that. His written form of "running" were strings of u's. An untrained eye would not have noticed it. Methodical thinking is the standard copybook said letters, arcade letters as visually shown --> m, n, h, r.

There are other styles, but I haven't seen them so I won't bother to make comments.


I've never personally seen a person who writes with a primary style but with variations of the above 3; asa comprehensive writer; or as n analytical writer.

The premise of the brief descriptions above is quickness and efficiency. Making neuronic shortcuts is shown by how the writer forms those particular letters. Bending arcades of letters into a point or points is exercising one's innate proclivity.

Pure comprehensive writers are very uncommon, are the fastest writers, and probably, the most quickest, mentally. However, speed and mental agility are not completely essential in determining a person's talents. Each style has its own strengths and weaknesses.

Next.. Someone mentioned Chinese-Americans are class-A smart people due to genes. I'd say its hereditary from generation to generation immersed in the heavily accelerated learning system of China.

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