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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915725 - 09/28/02 10:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree
the fact that I use a fork when I eat or speak english has nothing to do with the way I view the world.
I use a fork because it's less messy than eating with my hands.
I speak english because it's how I learned to communicate.
using a fork doesn't make me like spaghetti or BBQ chicken any less than if I ate them without it.
using english to communicate my ideas doesn't make those ideas different than if I had learned japanese.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915727 - 09/28/02 10:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

some say language isnt usefull. some say it confines the mind to words and symbols.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915731 - 09/28/02 10:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

then why are some people unable to express ideas through conventional language?
my mind certainly isn't confined.
language enables and simultaneously restricts communication, not thought.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915739 - 09/28/02 10:25 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

did you invent the fork? Did you invent the english language?
would you like eating bbq ribs with chopsticks?

are we arguing the 85% thing or..... what are we arguing about?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915743 - 09/28/02 10:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm arguing that learned behaviors do not necessarily affect one's perspective


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915744 - 09/28/02 10:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"then why are some people unable to express ideas through conventional language?"

that is precisly my point. our consciousness is reduced to bunch of symbols.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915746 - 09/28/02 10:28 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

then your point makes no sense.

if our minds were restricted by language, no thought would be incommunicable.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915750 - 09/28/02 10:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Hey hey hey, let's not get all emotional about it!

I don't want to warn you again. Some people use spaghetti to communicate with each other. Is that a bad thing? You're acting like your aftershave caught on fire.

This is neither here nor there.

And in case you were wondering I DO speak typo.

C****s,


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915760 - 09/28/02 10:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

our brains only have so much capacity to recall linguistic information. it would be impossible to have a word for every single thing in existence. language focuses our consciousness in a different sector of the brain, one that is confined to symbols.

this language argument is pointless because im not going to say that we shouldn't have language i just think that people should realize the impact of language on our consciousness.

language is a learned behavior and i believe that people with different languages see the world differently.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915776 - 09/28/02 10:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

language focuses our consciousness in a different sector of the brain, one that is confined to symbols.






as I said, if this were true, no thought would be incommunicable, because we would all think in known symbols. "language".
consciousness isn't "focused" anywhere.
are you not conscious in a non-linguistic way of your own pain when you injure yourself?
at that moment are you thinking "oh, that's pain"
I'm sure not.
I'm reacting to consciousness of something which has nothing to do with words at the time.
when one deconstructs one's language and culture to the point that one arrives upon some sort of "realization" that can't be put into words, is that "thinking in symbols"? it's the exact opposite. it's removing oneself from those symbols


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915777 - 09/28/02 10:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

is communication all together a learned behavior then?


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: CleverName]
    #915784 - 09/28/02 10:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

exactly. the syntax has to be known by more than one person and we werent born with knowledge of words. however facial gestures and sound volume of spoken communication is something we are born with.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: CleverName]
    #915788 - 09/28/02 10:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

proper language is learned behavior, obviously, but I think the urge for communication with others may be somewhat instinctual in our species


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915792 - 09/28/02 10:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

. however facial gestures and sound volume of spoken communication is something we are born with.




no
babies don't know that smiling means "happy", they're just copying your expression when you smile at them. I don't remember enough to go into detail on this


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915804 - 09/28/02 10:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915805 - 09/28/02 10:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

we just inherited that evolutioanry trait from our primate bretheren


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915817 - 09/28/02 10:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

actually in my college level psychology class we were taught that facial gestures are programed into our brain. it is a product of evolution. the ability to recognize if someone is hostill or not. maybe what they teach us in college is completely wrong? i dunno.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915822 - 09/28/02 10:56 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

well, obviously, whoever wrote your college textbooks and whatever scientist wrote what I read disagree.
so who knows.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #915844 - 09/28/02 11:05 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

actually it is somewhat proven. we were shown a video where a guy had his corpus collosum cut and he was shown a picture of a person's face made out of vegetables. his right and left eye were only able to see the right and left half of the face respectively and he was only shown one side at a time. i dont remember which side it was but when they showed him one side he said he saw a bunch of vegetables. when they showed him the other side he said he saw a human face. what this proves is that our ability to decifer the human face resides in one of the halves of our brain meaning that we are programed to know what a human face is supposed to look like and what different expressions mean.


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Re: why are some people smarter than others? [Re: 1stimer]
    #915849 - 09/28/02 11:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Horse monkey!


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