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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9101999 - 10/19/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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gianimon said: xswaveyx,
if you already have quart jars and rye then use them and spawn with it into a bulk sub like hpoo amendments or coir with amendments. then you can case with 50/50+ tek, 60/40 tek, etc. or not case if you so choose. but if you take your 80 jars and put the spawn to bulk you will get a very large yield if you do everything right.
also you need alot more then 10lb of rye for 80 jars. i use about 20-30 lbs of rye for about 80+ jars with 1.5-1.75 cup per jar, 1 cup is too little for a quart IMO.
I was wondering how much rye i would need. Mycosupply is pretty damn local to me so shipping isnt that much, not a big deal if i gotta buy more. Im sure itll be there before i have time to PC 10 lbs.
I already have Rye, Verm, and Coir...i also have 3 lbs of oyster shell? i do not have jars. I was offered jars, and had not decided if i wanted to take this approach yet. Im planning to put 7 quarts of spawn in each 66 qt monotub.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: derx]
#9102006 - 10/19/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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PS. There are really easy methods of just adding dry rye to the bags, adding water, sealing them and then cooking them. Give them a good shaking after sterilized and inoculate. It makes a really easy, no mess, 100% success to producing bulk amounts of spawn.
AFOAF said the rate for rye berries he used was 1500ml of dry rye berries to 1260ml of water in one bag.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102010 - 10/19/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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100 bucks is pretty rough, all it does is melt it together. Theres gotta be a cheaper way.
I've never even owned an impulse sealer. I tie them shut with steel tie wire. You can get it cheap at any hardware store. RR
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: derx]
#9102021 - 10/19/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you inoculate each jar at 4 different sites, that leads to 4 variables for error each quart. multiplied by 80 quarts is 320 chances to make an error.
why would you do that? only older PF teks suggest the 4 holes deal. and the OP isnt talking about PF tek. quart jars use 2 or 3 holes max. i use 2 holes which are 1/4" each. one hole is covered with RTV silicon for self-healing injection port and the other hole covered with micro-pore tape.
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Edited by gianimon (10/19/08 10:01 PM)
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9102030 - 10/19/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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100 bucks is pretty rough, all it does is melt it together. Theres gotta be a cheaper way.
I've never even owned an impulse sealer. I tie them shut with steel tie wire. You can get it cheap at any hardware store. RR
There you are. Thats what i like to hear.... so now im lookin into bags. Does anyone know how many im gonna be able to stick into my 16 qt pc if im usin 2 quarts in each?
If i put in 2 quarts rye, i should put in a little less than a quart water right?... seal bag up, pc it... alchohol wipe the side, knock it up... simple as that right?
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: derx]
#9102034 - 10/19/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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derx said: PS. There are really easy methods of just adding dry rye to the bags, adding water, sealing them and then cooking them. Give them a good shaking after sterilized and inoculate. It makes a really easy, no mess, 100% success to producing bulk amounts of spawn.
AFOAF said the rate for rye berries he used was 1500ml of dry rye berries to 1260ml of water in one bag.
there is a blog showing this method with jars too. everyone ive read about, Agar included, says they got poor success % with that type of method. in the park of 80-90% success rate
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102045 - 10/19/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you inoculate each jar at 4 different sites, that leads to 4 variables for error each quart. multiplied by 80 quarts is 320 chances to make an error.
why would you do that? only older PF teks suggest the 4 holes deal. and the OP isnt talking about PF tek. quart jars use 2 or 3 holes max. i use 2 holes which are 1/4" each. only hole is covered with RTV silicon for self-healing injection port and the other hole covered with micro-pore tape.
He mentioned that because i said i use 4 inoculation points for my half pint jars. I guess maybe im the only one that does that anymore? Regardless... failing only makes me want to learn more so after losing a couple jars i worked harder to make a more sterile place to inoculate. Now i have a HUGE tub with full gloves.... 2 on each side so we can use the buddy system while knockin up a ton of jars. Worked awesome.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102053 - 10/19/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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derx said: PS. There are really easy methods of just adding dry rye to the bags, adding water, sealing them and then cooking them. Give them a good shaking after sterilized and inoculate. It makes a really easy, no mess, 100% success to producing bulk amounts of spawn.
AFOAF said the rate for rye berries he used was 1500ml of dry rye berries to 1260ml of water in one bag.
there is a blog showing this method with jars too. everyone ive read about, Agar included, says they got poor success % with that type of method. in the park of 80-90% success rate
Some people have better results doing things differently. To each and their own.
edit: I would not use this method for jars. Jars are much harder to shake up to create a homogeneous mixture. Which in turn could lead to more water near the bottom and dry rye near the top. Lots of water = contams. Dry rye = wont colonize.
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Edited by derx (10/19/08 10:06 PM)
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9102059 - 10/19/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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100 bucks is pretty rough, all it does is melt it together. Theres gotta be a cheaper way.
I've never even owned an impulse sealer. I tie them shut with steel tie wire. You can get it cheap at any hardware store. RR
There you are. Thats what i like to hear.... so now im lookin into bags. Does anyone know how many im gonna be able to stick into my 16 qt pc if im usin 2 quarts in each?
If i put in 2 quarts rye, i should put in a little less than a quart water right?... seal bag up, pc it... alchohol wipe the side, knock it up... simple as that right?
if this is your first time growing then i would suggest against bags. use jars to get the hang of it. its much better to loose a few jars to contam, etc, then a few bags!
if you can get 80 jars for $20 then at least by them and keep them or sell those suckers. 12 jars on the market is about $10-15.00. but if i were you i would inoc like 20-30 jars to get the hang of it, get a few flushes going and then go bigger.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102090 - 10/19/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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100 bucks is pretty rough, all it does is melt it together. Theres gotta be a cheaper way.
I've never even owned an impulse sealer. I tie them shut with steel tie wire. You can get it cheap at any hardware store. RR
There you are. Thats what i like to hear.... so now im lookin into bags. Does anyone know how many im gonna be able to stick into my 16 qt pc if im usin 2 quarts in each?
If i put in 2 quarts rye, i should put in a little less than a quart water right?... seal bag up, pc it... alchohol wipe the side, knock it up... simple as that right?
if this is your first time growing then i would suggest against bags. use jars to get the hang of it. its much better to loose a few jars to contam, etc, then a few bags!
if you can get 80 jars for $20 then at least by them and keep them or sell those suckers. 12 jars on the market is about $10-15.00. but if i were you i would inoc like 20-30 jars to get the hang of it, get a few flushes going and then go bigger.
Understandable... however i started with cakes and worked my way up. Im now going to do monotubs. Im just going to do more than 1 at a time, thats why im doing so many.
If someone else can do a bag, i can do a bag. Ill never get it right if i dont try it. Ill start out with 2 quart bags.
If i dont need 100 jars, im not going to buy them. They will be harder to store than bags, and a lot more tedious to break up (when you have this many). I dont just need 100 quart jars laying around, if im not going to use them now i wont use them later.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9102110 - 10/19/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats cool but trust me ive done way more jars than your thinking about so i know the work involved. and it can be a real pain in the ass, lol. jars arnt only for monotubs, you can spawn into bulk into a fruiting chamber/closet/martha (what ever you want to call it).
breaking up a jar is a snap, 5-10 whacks on a bike tire (thanks RR! ) and its done. alot quicker than man handling a bunch of bags IMO.
but i do think bags are better for large bulk grows. i just wish bags were more environmentally friendly...
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Edited by gianimon (10/19/08 10:18 PM)
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102143 - 10/19/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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gianimon said: thats cool but trust me ive done way more jars than your thinking about so i know the work involved. and it can be a real pain in the ass, lol. jars arnt only for monotubs, you can spawn into bulk into a fruiting chamber/closet/martha (what ever you want to call it).
breaking up a jar is a snap, 5-10 whacks on a bike tire (thanks RR! ) and its done. alot quicker than man handling a bunch of bags IMO.
but i do think bags are better for large bulk grows. i just wish bags were more environmentally friendly...
GL
I know they arent only for montoubs man...cmon now. I was just sharing what i have planned. I can man handle a bunch of bags, i have an extra set of hands or two so it shouldnt be that big of a deal.
Id rather not have that bad history of knocking up hundreds upon hundreds of jars. Id rather talk bout how i started with 2 qt bags and moved up haha. Will be ordering 100 bags, in place of my 100 jars. Now...being that i have 2 qt bags... thats 10 bags per strain. I only need 1 syringe of each strain then correct? This wont be an issue after i have mushrooms of each strain obviously so this is a one time buy...
Penis envy, cambodian, texas, equador. Thats the plan. Ive grown PE and PESA, and if i have extras i might start using pesa as well.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9102172 - 10/19/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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xswaveyx said I know they arent only for montoubs man...cmon now. I was just sharing what i have planned. I can man handle a bunch of bags, i have an extra set of hands or two so it shouldnt be that big of a deal.
i wasnt trying to be rude about the monotubs. i dont know your level of knowledge. sorry. i sure wish i had some helpers would make my life much easier! later
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Edited by gianimon (10/19/08 10:32 PM)
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102181 - 10/19/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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xswaveyx said[/]b I know they arent only for montoubs man...cmon now. I was just sharing what i have planned. I can man handle a bunch of bags, i have an extra set of hands or two so it shouldnt be that big of a deal.
i wasnt trying to be rude about the monotubs. i dont know your level of knowledge. sorry. i sure wish i had some helpers would make my life much easier! later
Sorry. You should know my level of knowledge after reading the first page haha. I just decided monotubs will be the BEST setup for my personal choices. I also now decided to go with bags. I will stick with my rye and coir though haha. Tons of good knowledge here...im lovin it.
Although i asked like 10 times already how much ill be able to PC at once, i guess nobody has an answer.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: gianimon]
#9102223 - 10/19/08 10:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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buy your impulse sealer HERE they are only 40 bucks. tested, myco bag approved.
get the bags from mycosupply.com i like the large bags. see how much they want for their impulse sealer while your their
and follow THIS tek for preparing the bags.
in my opinion i would say dont buy the stuff for this current grow. go with your jars for now but research the information about bags and give it a go in the future. try to follow that tek to a T about preparing spawn bags. its weird at first and might seem complicated as far as folding the top of the bags and getting them in the pressure cooker but once you get it down youll be happy you learned this. I hate cleaning jars and then storing them. they suck ass but work well. read the tek I linked you to. he will explain why you should go with bags. goodluck i hope this advice helps for your future projects.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: tripchip]
#9102261 - 10/19/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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tripchip said: buy your impulse sealer HERE they are only 40 bucks. tested, myco bag approved.
get the bags from mycosupply.com i like the large bags. see how much they want for their impulse sealer while your their
and follow THIS tek for preparing the bags.
in my opinion i would say dont buy the stuff for this current grow. go with your jars for now but research the information about bags and give it a go in the future. try to follow that tek to a T about preparing spawn bags. its weird at first and might seem complicated as far as folding the top of the bags and getting them in the pressure cooker but once you get it down youll be happy you learned this. I hate cleaning jars and then storing them. they suck ass but work well. read the tek I linked you to. he will explain why you should go with bags. goodluck i hope this advice helps for your future projects.
$40 isnt bad for a sealer, but like RR said im just going to tie them shut good with metal. I dont see anything getting in there, i dont need another piece of equipment around that i honestly wont use except for this purpose.
Mycosupply has bigger bags, but they are pretty damn expensive. Since im not going to fill my bags up to start with, i think ill just buy the smaller, cheaper ones. And they dont have a shop to go to, i still have to order offline like everyone else... they are in industrial park so only trucks can drive through. Sucks, i was excited that i wouldnt have to pay to ship all my supplies.But oh well, they are a good sponsor and i bought all the rest of my stuff from them. Im sure ill be using big bags soon enough.
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9104651 - 10/20/08 03:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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So... how often should i shake up my bags? Id imagine i should give it about 5 days to start, then mix it up real good, but then how often after that until full colonization? I read that they colonize pretty fast...which is pretty exciting!
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9110471 - 10/21/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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inoculate them with aprox 1-2ml of solution. AFOAF always used 1. Do not shake the bag up. Let that colonize until you get a small baseball size chunkj of mycelium, break it up well and shake up the bag to evenly disperse it. From that point, it will colonize very quickly. When it gets near 90% colonized, break it up again and shake it up. You can easily have fully colonized bags in 11 days using LC
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: derx]
#9111736 - 10/21/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I only ordered 10 pounds of rye. i will need around 20 more pounds for what i want to do. Is it a bad idea to use birdseed? I saw a 20 lb bag advertised for 7.99. Sounds like a really cheap alternative.Good/bad idea?
EDIT:another question... does one keep there fully colonized LC in a fridge for storage? Just something i havent read anywhere...what to do if you have too much LC for what you need, and want to store it (obviously it can be done as i see these huge ass jars some people are making).
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Edited by xswaveyx (10/21/08 07:23 PM)
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Re: Easiest way to knock up bulk quart jars [Re: xswaveyx]
#9112106 - 10/21/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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As i sat here and thought harder. I have one little mushy still growing on a cake in there... of PE. Since it wont print... can i make an LC using live tissue? if not im going to try to print it and use whatever moisture it leaves and cross my fingers i guess. Worth a shot.
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