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Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin?
    #9099056 - 10/19/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It didn't take a genius to realise Palin shouldn't be allowed within a thousand light years of the presidency but at least Colin Powell had the guts to say it. Is his endorsement of Obama the final nail in McCains coffin?

Good work Colin!

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell announced Sunday that he will be voting for Sen. Barack Obama, citing the Democrat's "ability to inspire" and the "inclusive nature of his campaign."


Former Secretary of State Colin Powell says he is voting for Barack Obama.

"He has both style and substance. I think he is a transformational figure," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"Obama displayed a steadiness. Showed intellectual vigor. He has a definitive way of doing business that will do us well," Powell said.

Powell, a retired U.S. general and a Republican, was once seen as a possible presidential candidate himself.

Powell said he questioned Sen. John McCain's judgment in picking Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate because he doesn't think she is ready to be president.


http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/19/colin.powell/


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9099089 - 10/19/08 08:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

here's the video

and the second nail in the coffin from this weekend is the announcement that the obama campaigne raised 150 million in the month of september. that shatters all records - the second best was 67 million set by obama this past summer.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9099111 - 10/19/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I guess that means Palin refused to commit to the CFR's playbook.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9099113 - 10/19/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Or that they wouldn't have her.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9099166 - 10/19/08 09:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

riceandpeas said:
"ability to inspire"
"inclusive nature."
"He has style"




Paris Hilton For President?

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I think he is a transformational figure,"




So, he's not really hitler, he's a decepticon


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9099255 - 10/19/08 09:51 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess that means Palin refused to commit to the CFR's playbook.




Do you have any evidence that the Council on Foreign Relations has direct involvement in US Presidential campaigns? Furthermore, do you have any evidence that Powell is some sort of spokesperson for your supposed New World Order? And why would the CFR bother to publicly endorse a candidate on Meet The Press nonetheless?

And if the CFR is so deeply intertwined in presidential campaigns as you suggest, then why do you believe that Powell's endorsement is more significant than Henry Kissinger's involvement with and quasi-endorsement of McCain?

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: vonhumboldt]
    #9099327 - 10/19/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

> And if the CFR is so deeply intertwined in presidential campaigns as you suggest

As I suggest?  Please show me where I said "The CFR is intertwined in US presidential campaigns".

You are putting all kinds of words into my mouth that I never said, or implied.  Here are a few examples:

> do you have any evidence that Powell is some sort of spokesperson for your supposed New World Order?

Did I mention new world order?  Nope.

Did I mention Colin Powell being some soft of spokesperson.  Nope.

> And why would the CFR bother to publicly endorse a candidate on Meet The Press nonetheless?

Did I mention Meet The Press?  Nope.

Did I mention CFR endorsing a candidate?  Nope.

If you read closely, I spoke only towards Sarah Palin, not about the presidential campaign.

Finally, any good conspiracy theory is unprovable... otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory, now would it?  :rolleyes:


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9099388 - 10/19/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Colon was riding the fence to see which one he'd endorse.  Which of the two will advance me the most, politically?  If he truly thought that Obama was the better candidate, why the hell did he wait until so close to the election to announce his endorsement?  Would he have endorsed Obama if O. was behind in the polls?  ....I think NOT


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: saved by zero]
    #9099394 - 10/19/08 10:29 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

actually Powell has been saying nice things about Obama but never officially endorsed him
everyone saw this coming


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Coaster]
    #9099418 - 10/19/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Not like Colin Powell's endorsement legitimizes Obama's campaign. Eight years ago, lots of people respected Colin Powell. I'm not sure if he has as high of a respect level as he used to though. Let's not forget that Colin Powell was the "final nail in the coffin" to borrow the OP's phrase regarding the war in Iraq. I love how Brokaw shoved that in his face on Meet The Press today. That was killer.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: adrug]
    #9099426 - 10/19/08 10:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yes it was Colin whos responsible for convincing the UN that Sadamm had WMDs
his dumbass caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: adrug]
    #9099442 - 10/19/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's so shitty that he, of all people, has to now wear the stain of the Bush administration for the rest of his life. I've always dug him. I have to feel like this endorsement, which was very well said, is some sort of payback.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9099460 - 10/19/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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> And if the CFR is so deeply intertwined in presidential campaigns as you suggest

As I suggest?  Please show me where I said "The CFR is intertwined in US presidential campaigns".

You are putting all kinds of words into my mouth that I never said, or implied.  Here are a few examples:

> do you have any evidence that Powell is some sort of spokesperson for your supposed New World Order?

Did I mention new world order?  Nope.

Did I mention Colin Powell being some soft of spokesperson.  Nope.

> And why would the CFR bother to publicly endorse a candidate on Meet The Press nonetheless?

Did I mention Meet The Press?  Nope.

Did I mention CFR endorsing a candidate?  Nope.

If you read closely, I spoke only towards Sarah Palin, not about the presidential campaign.

Finally, any good conspiracy theory is unprovable... otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory, now would it?  :rolleyes:




You've denied so much about what this thread was created about that I'm not even sure how your original post it relevant to anything now.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: adrug]
    #9099552 - 10/19/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Eight years ago, lots of people respected Colin Powell.




I had a lot of respect for Colin Powell right up until this morning.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9099632 - 10/19/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Because he doesn't support the same political candidate as you?

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Redstorm]
    #9099664 - 10/19/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Don't take what I said the wrong way. I've got a lot of respect for what Colin Powell has achieved in his life. I suppose I should choose my words better. I have no respect for his current political views.

I think that his public endorsement of a borderline commie is proof that he has gone batshit crazy.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9099684 - 10/19/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Likewise, I think actually believing that Obama is a "borderline Commie" either shows a lack of knowledge about communism or a much deeper problem like the one you suggested above.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Redstorm]
    #9099725 - 10/19/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I understand Communism very well and thankfully that knowledge comes from textbooks not firsthand experience. But my knowledge of Communism is not the topic at hand here.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9099733 - 10/19/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It apparently is in contention if you believe that Obama is one, which leads directly to your criticism of Powell.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Redstorm]
    #9099756 - 10/19/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

> You've denied so much about what this thread was created about that I'm not even sure how your original post it relevant to anything now.

I didn't do; it wasn't me, and you can't prove it!  :wink:


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9099760 - 10/19/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Redstorm]
    #9099904 - 10/19/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This endorsement means precisely bupkis.

All of the Republicans had already voted Powell out of their club after his quarrel with Bush over the war that led to him being sacked at the end of George's first term. 

This is a close election and nothing short of the final returns on Nov 4th will be a nail in Mccain's coffin.

I, for one, am getting nervous.

There is entirely too much time left in this campaign for my liking.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9100040 - 10/19/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

OK OK OK  Obama is not a communist.

He's an outright socialist


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: saved by zero]
    #9100191 - 10/19/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

and he's one of them a-rabs

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9100218 - 10/19/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yea... I'd rather have anarchy, make billions, fuck everyone else, Shiet, we can all be billionaires at the same time. It's totally realistic.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Seuss]
    #9100495 - 10/19/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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> And if the CFR is so deeply intertwined in presidential campaigns as you suggest

As I suggest?  Please show me where I said "The CFR is intertwined in US presidential campaigns".

You are putting all kinds of words into my mouth that I never said, or implied.  Here are a few examples:

> do you have any evidence that Powell is some sort of spokesperson for your supposed New World Order?

Did I mention new world order?  Nope.

Did I mention Colin Powell being some soft of spokesperson.  Nope.

> And why would the CFR bother to publicly endorse a candidate on Meet The Press nonetheless?

Did I mention Meet The Press?  Nope.

Did I mention CFR endorsing a candidate?  Nope.

If you read closely, I spoke only towards Sarah Palin, not about the presidential campaign.

Finally, any good conspiracy theory is unprovable... otherwise it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory, now would it?  :rolleyes:




You certainly suggested that the Council on Foreign Relations had something to do with Colin Powell in this election regardless of what I said. Otherwise, why did you bring them up? What relevancy do they have on the subject of Colin Powell endorsing Obama on MTP today?

Quote:

Suess said: I guess that means Palin refused to commit to the CFR's playbook.





So, are you saying that Palin is not CFR-enough for the CFR and because of that Powell chose to endorse Obama?

Please explain how that is not a suggestion of CFR involvement in this election.

I really would like to hear more about your conspiracy theory. Expand on your post.

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #9100675 - 10/19/08 04:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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This endorsement means precisely bupkis.

All of the Republicans had already voted Powell out of their club after his quarrel with Bush over the war that led to him being sacked at the end of George's first term. 

This is a close election and nothing short of the final returns on Nov 4th will be a nail in Mccain's coffin.

I, for one, am getting nervous.

There is entirely too much time left in this campaign for my liking.





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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9101243 - 10/19/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If he's a member of a socialist party and he is(proven fact), IMO, that makes him a socialist, which is what I said.
....am I missing something here?


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: saved by zero]
    #9101264 - 10/19/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Is he the member of a socialist party?

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: saved by zero]
    #9101354 - 10/19/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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If he's a member of a socialist party and he is(proven fact), IMO, that makes him a socialist, which is what I said.
....am I missing something here?




how can you claim that the democrats are the socialist party after watching the republican administration's actions over the last two weeks?  the $1 trillion bailout just made this country more communist than china. **socialist than communist china.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9101360 - 10/19/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Obama was/is a member of Chicago's New Party.  To my understanding it is a branch of the Democratic Socialist Party. 
Lonestar2004 first posted a link to the article I'm referencing.
So, YES, Obama IS a socialist.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Yrat]
    #9101369 - 10/19/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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If he's a member of a socialist party and he is(proven fact), IMO, that makes him a socialist, which is what I said.
....am I missing something here?




how can you claim that the democrats are the socialist party after watching the republican administration's actions over the last two weeks?  the $1 trillion bailout just made this country more communist than china.



I NEVER claimed that the democrats were a socialist party.....words put in my mouth by a previous uninformed poster.


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    #9101401 - 10/19/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

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If he's a member of a socialist party and he is(proven fact), IMO, that makes him a socialist, which is what I said.
....am I missing something here?




how can you claim that the democrats are the socialist party after watching the republican administration's actions over the last two weeks?  the $1 trillion bailout just made this country more communist than china.




Excuse me????
You obviously do not understand our government, nor do understand communism vs. socialism.  The bail out pushed us towards socialism, not communism.  Furthermore, It was the democratic house of representatives that initiated the bail out you refer to.  Only the House of Representatives can innitiate ANY federally funded bill as is stipulated in our Constitution.  Our congress has been democratically controlled( at least the House) for the past two years.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: saved by zero]
    #9101486 - 10/19/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i'm sorry, i meant to type that it makes us more socialist than communist china.

but i still don't understand what you mean by words put in your mouth, when it is a direct quote of your post.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Yrat]
    #9101493 - 10/19/08 07:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

oh i see, you meant the New Party, not the democrats. am i right?


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Obama was/is a member of Chicago's New Party.  To my understanding it is a branch of the Democratic Socialist Party. 
Lonestar2004 first posted a link to the article I'm referencing.
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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Yrat]
    #9101667 - 10/19/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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If he's a member of a socialist party and he is(proven fact), IMO, that makes him a socialist, which is what I said.
....am I missing something here?




how can you claim that the democrats are the socialist party after watching the republican administration's actions over the last two weeks?  the $1 trillion bailout just made this country more communist than china. **socialist than communist china.





didnt the democrats have a hand in that as well?

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #9101682 - 10/19/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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He may not be as wedded to the free market as a conservative but he doesn’t want to get rid of it. He wants to regulate it. 




isnt it already regulated?

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9102091 - 10/19/08 10:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I think that his public endorsement of a borderline commie is proof that he has gone batshit crazy.




wow that statement is fucking retarded...just saying

do you have any idea what you're talking about??

tell me why democratic socialism is the same thing as communism or totalitarianism?

you OBVIOUSLY do not understand communism or the horrors people in communist countries suffer.

there is a big difference between Finland and Stalin's Russia..

Jesus Christ republicans can be thick

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #9102102 - 10/19/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

let me follow that up by saying obama isnt going to turn the USA in a democratic socialist country

however, like europe and canada borrowing pieces from socialism and capitalism and meeting somewhere in the middle is right for progress.

idiots on the far right or left just dont and probably wont ever get it



oh and if obama is a "commie" then what is bush and all the republicans who helped with the bailout???? hmmmm??

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #9102151 - 10/19/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Jesus Christ republicans can be thick





your religious views are showing, I guess you'll be talking
about how moses defeated the egyptians with the help of
dinosaurs next

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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9102732 - 10/20/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That's a movie I'd pay to see


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: zouden]
    #9102763 - 10/20/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

dinosaurs never existed, the devil put those bones there to
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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9102765 - 10/20/08 02:12 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Then what did Moses and his army ride on when they defeated the egyptians?


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #9103129 - 10/20/08 08:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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tell me why democratic socialism is the same thing as communism or totalitarianism?





I never mentioned democratic socialism but now I'm a bit intrigued. Explain to me exactly what you believe democratic socialism is and then maybe I'll be able to answer your question somewhat eloquently. "Democratic socialism" is a very broad term. Also, do you believe that Barack Obama supports this "democratic socialism" that you speak of?


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9103164 - 10/20/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Wtf is wrong with Democratic Socialism? As long as majority of the people support it... fuck the whiny fucks that bitch about it.


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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: Redstorm]
    #9103235 - 10/20/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

usually it takes about 5 or 6 pages before a PAL thread becomes this
dense with idiocy and poorly informed bias.

this is like buying concentrated orange juice, only this thread makes
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Re: Colin Powell the final nail in McCains coffin? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #9104672 - 10/20/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
tell me why democratic socialism is the same thing as communism or totalitarianism?





I never mentioned democratic socialism but now I'm a bit intrigued. Explain to me exactly what you believe democratic socialism is and then maybe I'll be able to answer your question somewhat eloquently. "Democratic socialism" is a very broad term. Also, do you believe that Barack Obama supports this "democratic socialism" that you speak of?




If you're talking about social democracy, it's not that much of a broad term. It's a political philosophy, same way we talk about neoconservatism in the US. Every country in Europe has a social democrat party. It was the dominant political philosophy of the post-war 20th century (and still is, in most places).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
(just skimming that now, it looks like a very good article)


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