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Look what I found! -- Drying machine
    #9095903 - 10/18/08 11:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)


First post, so I hope my picture^ shows up.

I found this machine in an abandoned medical building. It says "electric laboratory drier". It has a dial that can be set from 40-100. After I cleaned the fan from some really thick dust it fired right up. I picked a flower, put it in, and set it to 100 about 10 mins ago to test it. It seems to be working really well. I will be harvesting my pot soon and i am waist-deep in fresh shrooms because of the season. Does anyone know if this will work to speed the mushroom drying process? Or better yet, the pot drying process, since it takes longer? I had someone tell me NOT to put shrooms in it, but I was hoping for a more intelligent answer from a much larger knowledge base here. Ill probably end up trying one in it, but before I do any thoughts?

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: Metaphysical]
    #9095906 - 10/18/08 11:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Would be better with a pic. Do you know what temperature it runs at?

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: Metaphysical]
    #9095923 - 10/18/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

sorry. i'm trying a different approach:



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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: Metaphysical]
    #9096212 - 10/18/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

will be fine for drying shrooms, heat does not effect potency. many growers use dehdrators set much higher than 100 with no potency loss. oxidation is what causes potency.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9096301 - 10/18/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Really I thought that heat above 140 starts to break it down.

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: JMR]
    #9096534 - 10/18/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Celsius or Fahrenheit? Or no units, just a range?

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: LuckyStrike]
    #9096803 - 10/18/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

there are no units on the dial. just a range of 40-100. i have it set at 60 right now to dry out a little popcorn bud that i picked. it feels like it is at least 100*F in there.





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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: Metaphysical]
    #9096859 - 10/18/08 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im more interested in the contents of that contraption.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: nowai]
    #9096946 - 10/18/08 04:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I always find 85 on the good old dehydrator works well :smile:


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9096980 - 10/18/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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will be fine for drying shrooms, heat does not effect potency. many growers use dehdrators set much higher than 100 with no potency loss. oxidation is what causes potency.



I would like to point out that the relative reactivity of a substance goes up with its temperature (or Enthalpy in this case as this has now become a chemistry topic... :shrug:)


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #9097008 - 10/18/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hate to be off topic but has anyone ever put mushrooms in a drying machine, eg. a clothes drier? Maybe use like an oven bag and pop it in for an hour or two? I know they get hot but at what temp, if it is true, will the chemicals break down?

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #9097016 - 10/18/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

do a search on the forums. potency loss with dehydrators has been a much discussed topic. many people with alot of experience use dehdrators set above 100f with no potency loss. stored in air tight containers. an oxygen eater is a good idea.   

mushrooms contain psylocin and psylociben, one breaks down readily in the presence of o2 and the other not so easily (not sure which though). cubes contain more of the not so 02 sensitive active.                                   

im guessing your machine is in c. easy way to find out. use a digi gauge that has an external sensor.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9097029 - 10/18/08 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think i might try the clothes drier for fun now =X

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: dothedew69]
    #9097357 - 10/18/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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        Raising the temperature increases the rate of oxydation... and it's exponential so 100F is a lot worse than 90F. Don't use heat in your dehydrator. They dry just about as fast at room temp anyway. If you don't believe that chemical reaction rates increase exponentially with temperature, well, nothing i tell you is gonna convince you. The rate at which oxitation happens increases very quickly with temperature. Why are you in such a hurry to dry your shrooms an extra day early and risk losing some of the chilly,
        it's stoopid Let them dry naturally and they'll thank you for it.



    Have you guys noticed a decrease in potency when you use a food dehydrator? This guy supposedly KNOWS what he's talking about. Your thoughts?



Never believe a guy that says something is "stoopid". :smirk: Of course oxidation is increased by heat. Fire is an example of extremely rapid oxidation. Oxidation is also caused by simple exposure to air. So, are you going to expose your shrooms to air for days, or use a dehydrator with minor heat and dry them out in hours? Personally I don't notice any difference in potency drying at temperatures up to 155F and I've dried a lot of shrooms.

This argument has been going on for years and probably will continue for years. The problem is that people will blame their dehydrator for potency loss when it in fact it was due to a weak batch of shrooms or poor storage.

For all of you noobs that don't believe anything unless RR or Agar say it, go search Agar's posts. He uses a dehydrator! Please stop beating this dead horse.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: alkylbenzene23]
    #9097751 - 10/18/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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will be fine for drying shrooms, heat does not effect potency. many growers use dehdrators set much higher than 100 with no potency loss. oxidation is what causes potency.



I would like to point out that the relative reactivity of a substance goes up with its temperature (or Enthalpy in this case as this has now become a chemistry topic... :shrug:)




Temperature does not equal enthalpy.  Enthalpy refers to the sum of the contained chemical energy in a compound (ie. the energy contained in the bonds). Temperature refers to the average kenetic energy of the individual molecules (ie. the average velocities of the molecules squared times their mass).

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: seabass341]
    #9097799 - 10/18/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, that machine looks like it`s from Fallout (game). It`s very Vault-Tecish:grin:

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9097810 - 10/18/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i dont know...

from my readings these can reduce potency when drying shrooms in this order:

1. heat exposure
2. air exposure
3. light exposure

i assume that is why Gartz used a freeze dryer to dry shrooms when testing for actives content.

i think heat will lower potency but i havnet looked too heavly into it.  when i do it wont be on this site though, or any 'shroom' site.  there is just too little scientific facts and too much subjectivity.  does anyone actually have or read scientific research on this matter?

IMVHO there is NO way anyone can say with authority that drying shrooms with heat will decease potency unless the shrooms are tested for actives quantity.  the same goes for the "its fine to use heat crowd".  you cant say with authority it is fine to use heat and there is not reduction at some temperature.

i will spend some time researching it soon.  but, there are few example (and NONE i can think of) where drying any natural psychoactive material with heat is benefical.  most all natural products from plant oils to fish oil to fish hydrosylate to kelp to any number of health food prodcuts are all best 'cold' processed.  cold retains more of the substances chemicals, etc, as when it was harvested, caught, etc.

i think the more important question is "will i notice the possible reduction in actives?"  i would assume NO as thats what most long time members are saying.  but i woudl bet a million (if i had it, haha) that heat does reduce the amount of actives.


PFs tek to dry shrooms seems hard with big harvests.  has anyone used it and also used a dehydrator?  which do you like more?  i think PFs tek is to air dry in front of a fan in darkness around 70-75F for like 12 hours to 24 hours.  Then put in a box over desiccant (sp?) and enclose in a big black trash bag to limit air and light.

idealy i think using a freeze dryer is the best option.  but they are expensive.  i bet one could be built pretty easy.  all it does is pull cold air through a box under pressure.

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9097862 - 10/18/08 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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do a search on the forums. potency loss with dehydrators has been a much discussed topic. many people with alot of experience use dehdrators set above 100f with no potency loss. stored in air tight containers. an oxygen eater is a good idea.   

mushrooms contain psylocin and psylociben, one breaks down readily in the presence of o2 and the other not so easily (not sure which though). cubes contain more of the not so 02 sensitive active.                                   

im guessing your machine is in c. easy way to find out. use a digi gauge that has an external sensor.




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I use to work at this place, and those balls dry out even the cardboard back on the package to the point that it was as brittle as something burnt to ash.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9097866 - 10/18/08 09:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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mushrooms contain psylocin and psylociben, one breaks down readily in the presence of o2 and the other not so easily (not sure which though).




psylocin breaks down easily.  shrooms retain more psylociben which is then converted to psylocin (i believe) in your body.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: gianimon]
    #9097885 - 10/18/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Psilocin, Psilocybin.

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    #9097910 - 10/18/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

haha thaks  :smile:

hi blimeygrimey.  but i think youll hate reading alot of my posts (good thing i dont post much).  i am a terrable speller and have bad grammer and puncuation.  it really annoys my gf as shes a grad student!!


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: gianimon]
    #9097973 - 10/18/08 09:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Actually freeze drying uses a vacuum but here is a home method that you uses just your freezer. Could be worth trying.


Freeze Drying At Home
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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: LuckyStrike]
    #9097996 - 10/18/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually freeze drying uses a vacuum




yes im aware:
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i bet one could be built pretty easy.  all it does is pull cold air through a box under pressure.




the reason air is pulled through under pressure (vacuum) is to pull out moisture as it freezes into vapor.  if i understand the principles correctly.

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but here is a home method that you uses just your freezer. Could be worth trying.




tnx.  i may try it some day, but letting the moisture freeze in shroom may cause issues?  thats why i like idea of a freeze dryer.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: LuckyStrike]
    #9098004 - 10/18/08 09:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Like said before, LOTS of people say that the loss of potency is due to heat. They say do you have proof that heat does not effect potency while others say it doesn't. So who are you going to believe a Mycologist, trusted cultivator, or some guy who grew a bad batch and just happened to dry at 120 degree and blames it on that because of the myths and bad information he read. Are we really fighting a war on terror or on oil? It is so difficult to test orally because each mushroom could be different. Two people could react to it differently. People say DONT GO ABOVE 90 but trusted cultivators dry at 120?? There is a reason why the word "myth" exists. No one knows for sure. I plan on drying mine in a clothes drier after this grow is done, this will be interesting.

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    #9098046 - 10/18/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So who are you going to believe a Mycologist




yes.  Gartz!  nuff said!!  i trust him over anyone here. 

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No one knows for sure.




i plan to find out for sure:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8853761/an/0/page/0

and some buddies have a gas chromatograph they use for cannabis breeding in selection of THC, CBN, etc, etc.  i am going to ask them to do a test: dehydrator vs air/fan dry.  they should prolly do it but it may take a while.

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People say DONT GO ABOVE 90 but trusted cultivators dry at 120??




i think Agar said not over 95F.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: dothedew69]
    #9098055 - 10/18/08 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

please for the love of pot-smokers everywhere... don't use this machine to "speed dry" your bud...

You dont want to "dry" weed.
You want to CURE it by just hanging your plants and waiting, this slow drying process results in a much smoother, cleaner, better tasting smoke. The sugars need time to metabolize.


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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #9099505 - 10/19/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.ronco.com/rco_prodinfo.aspx?pid=FD1005WHGEN&color=&active=ascry

Has anyone got a Ronco food dehydrator?  looks like it'll do tha job and make jerky when you're done...Im sold!  I saw the commercial late one night and he said it'll do everything you ever dreamed about but failed to mention how it'll work for your October weed harvest and fungii.  He's missing the boat on tons of sales eh?

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Re: Look what I found! -- Drying machine [Re: Vermonster420]
    #9100788 - 10/19/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That's actually the exact dehydrator I have at the moment. It'll work fine for drying mushrooms.

It has a single heating element on the bottom and heat travels up through the trays.

I prefer my old American Harvest (i think that's the name) which had adjustable heat settings with a fan. The heat came from the top of the dehydrator and a fan blew the air through the trays and out the bottom.

I got my Ronco at Target for $30 though. Might be cheaper to find it in a store. $10 saved and no shipping costs.


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