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InvisibleSwami
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Ants
    #909391 - 09/26/02 11:15 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ants are some of the most amazing and spiritual creatures on the planet. They are totally Zen-like in their focus. There are no lazy ants; everyone contributes for the betterment of the colony. There is no neurosis/psychosis among them. No, they don't hang-out watching the dew evaporate and wonder "Is there more, God? What is life all about?" They do what needs to be done. There is no fighting within the colony. None! An ant will give his life for the colony without hesitation. ("No ant has greater love for his brother than he would lay down his life. - J.C. Ant)

Unity, brotherhood, self-sacrifice; ants make dolphins look like the egocentric movie stars (Hear that, Flipper!) they pretend to be. They have no time for wasteful antics. Dedicated, hardworking and loyal - what else needs to be said?


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909403 - 09/26/02 11:22 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

dolphins~ants
yin~yang
ant are amazing creatures though.
i am an ecology major and im thinking of doing one of my big papers on ants and altruism.  they act as one oragnism, they are very interesting indeed! :smirk: 


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909416 - 09/26/02 12:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, Swami.... maybe you were an ant in a past life.


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Re: Ants [Re: CleverName]
    #909439 - 09/26/02 12:24 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, an ecology major that thinks altruism actually exists! hehe
Or did you just declare that major?

Ants taste better when covered in milk chocolate. Mmm... Cho-co-late... Ants....


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909452 - 09/26/02 12:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ants are more robotic than anything else. As far as altruistic... read 'The Selfish Gene.' Ant colonies (at least the ones I'm familiar with) all consist of insects from the same mother and father (with the exception of the queen, who is the mother) - they're one big family.


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Re: Ants [Re: Sclorch]
    #909455 - 09/26/02 12:35 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

nah, third year into it :grin:....you dont thik altruism exsists?
i know you were being somewhat sarcastic, but 


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Re: Ants [Re: ]
    #909462 - 09/26/02 12:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

correct, they all are born of one queen,
hey, you know what, if i did believe in the alien 'greys' i would say that they are almost like ants, but i dont, so fuk it..


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Re: Ants [Re: CleverName]
    #909470 - 09/26/02 12:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think altruism exists on the gene level, no.

I DO think altruism exists on the meme level. Doesn't do ants a whole lotta good as their locus of selection is still focused on genes (with humans, it's on memes).


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Re: Ants [Re: ]
    #909514 - 09/26/02 12:57 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ants are more robotic than anything else. As far as altruistic...

So are you saying that makes them non-spiritual? How is that different from a human parent protecting a child? I am fairly certain that you would sacrifice your life for your little girl. Is that really altruistic or some deep-seated instinct to protect your genes, but glorified on the non-instinctual level as "love"?



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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909529 - 09/26/02 01:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

*...continued rant*

Look at our King Shrub. He is most certainly the symbolic Daddy of our colony, but not the genetic Daddy. Because this is not gene-based "love", he feels free to take every possible advantage of his loyal subjects.


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909582 - 09/26/02 01:14 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

So are you saying that makes them non-spiritual?



You can (probably) read my mind on this one.

In reply to:

How is that different from a human parent protecting a child? I am fairly certain that you would sacrifice your life for your little girl. Is that really altruistic or some deep-seated instinct to protect your genes, but glorified on the non-intinctual level as "love"?



Different human parents behave different ways, one need only to watch the news to understand this. Humans may have certain predispostions to behave in certain ways, but their behavior patterns appear to have much wider variations than those of ants. Some humans often make decisions NOT to defend their children and even to harm their own children, whereas others will sacrifice their lives for total strangers or even animals of a different species. There quite a few variations of love, and several different influences which affect it, I cannot give you a simple answer stating that it's all genetic, environmental or an intellectual decision, but normal humans are born with the ability to love as much as they are born with the ability to learn languages.


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909590 - 09/26/02 01:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ants are mad


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909628 - 09/26/02 01:27 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ants make dolphins look like the egocentric movie stars (Hear that, Flipper!)

I remember seeing a movie entitled "ANTS!"


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909630 - 09/26/02 01:28 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

Look at our King Shrub. He is most certainly the symbolic Daddy of our colony



More like the symbolic slow child of my rich uncle.


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909634 - 09/26/02 01:30 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

They have no time for wasteful antics. Dedicated, hardworking and loyal - what else needs to be said?

Your description of ants reminds me of the ideal description of a human society, by a government official. Large groups of people do remind me of an ant colony... I'm more like the crazy grasshopper who the ants attempt to eat.  :grin: 


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909850 - 09/26/02 03:01 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

ants will outlive us all...


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #909941 - 09/26/02 03:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Ants. Amazing.
Size is relative and complexity is subjective.


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Re: Ants [Re: Swami]
    #910659 - 09/26/02 09:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Swami.... you've got it all wrong. Ants are fascists! did you know that they have strict mating rules, and only certain males can mate with the queen. if a rogue male tries to lay his eggs the other ants track him down by smell and eat his ass.


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Re: Ants [Re: vaporbrains]
    #910705 - 09/26/02 10:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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if a rogue male tries to lay his eggs the other ants track him down by smell and eat his ass.




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Re: Ants [Re: Albino_Jesus]
    #910826 - 09/26/02 10:54 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Geez, and I thought schlorch was a perv...


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