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 Re: Natalensis-Cakes 
#90938 - 12/11/99 08:02 PM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey BiO or anyone else: Has the natalensis ever been fruited in captivity or just printed from wild specimens? Just asking because this stuff will not pin or fruit. OK, it won't pin or fruit for anyone I know. There has got to be a way, but so far it is just this ever-expanding mass of mycelia no matter what the experiment, on cakes, when cased, cold shocked, deep-scratched, varied temperatures, humidity levels, lighting, etc.
Workman, anyone?
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 Workman
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90940 - 12/12/99 10:20 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't have the culture or any ideas
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90941 - 12/12/99 08:11 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote from Magic Mushrooms Around the World by Gartz: Psilocybe natalensis , which we first discovered in South Africa in January 1994, is another species that easily fruits, within four to eight weeks, on compost or on straw with potting soil for casing. Gartz also notes that it differs from cubensis in growing in pastures but not directly on dung.
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Anonymous
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90942 - 12/12/99 11:45 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks, DD. You learn something new every day at The Shroomery. New stuff like ''Fruits easily'' and ''4 to 8 weeks'' in the same sentence. Guess I need more patience...and potting soil.
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90943 - 12/12/99 05:55 PM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hehe, I didn't say it was easy, I quoted Gartz as saying it was easy.
Of course he is the same guy who has a university lab, and has fruited semilaceata in a flask. Might be a different story for mere mortals.
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90944 - 12/13/99 01:56 PM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, no kidding. Gartz found the indoor fruiting of SEMIs "moderately" difficult. So when he says that it fruits easily, that means it is about the same as "very hard" in our terms. But you do know that it can be done.
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Springbok
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90945 - 12/14/99 11:00 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know of at least three separate people who have fruited these things, but they are all Krauts.Regards,
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90946 - 12/15/99 02:57 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's a Kraut? Assuming you weren't referring to the stuff yankees put on hot dogs?------------------
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90947 - 12/20/99 12:09 AM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90948 - 12/21/99 07:21 PM (24 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting, I read the post.Has anybody tried a fortified medium containing;Sulfar,Phosphorus,Potassiam,Magnesium.
Including trace eliments;Iron,Zinc,Maganese,Copper and molybdenum.
Vitamins;Thiamine (B-1),Biotin(B-7 or vitamin H).
With and without Calcium to determine pH,and to see if it effects fruiting.To separeate Nutritroral failure from Physical failure.(temp,light,humidity,Co2)
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Springbok
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90949 - 01/15/01 01:57 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Back in business, folks!Any new news on the Natalensis front? I have been out of action for some time... S
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Prellgott
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90950 - 01/16/01 08:43 AM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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BIO, in my "Pilzzuchtbuch" Sam Lanceata aka. J. Gartz (I suppose) mentioned that he fruited the natalensis on dund/srtaw with flower soil as casing..(I'll look it up for you..I'm not at home, so I don't have the book on hand)peace
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90951 - 01/16/01 03:22 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Natalensis grows in knee high grass in well manured soil, so I am sure a straw and manure
based mix would work, so long as the mycelium was any good !I seem to remember there was a report on erowid somewhere where Gartz compared the potency of Natalensis to Cubensis and he mentioned the substrate mix, I shall try and locate it sometime. Ryche , the last place you need to put this mycelium is in the fridge, dont even think about it. At this time of year ( summer ) it is stinking hot where this little guy grows naturally.
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90952 - 01/17/01 02:23 AM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, i'm really sure about the source of my mcyelium but it probably is degenerated. I just wanted to try it. I have sterilised jars with straw and straw with oatmeal. I hav inoculated them last night with a mycelium susprension. I'll post pics as soon as it starts growing...------------------
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Re: Natalensis-Cakes
#90953 - 01/17/01 12:02 PM (23 years, 7 months ago) |
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I believe the natalensis in circulation is a clone deposited by Gartz. I could be wrong, but I think this is what I read somewhere. My culture looks a bit degenerated, though I'm not sure what the mycelium is supposed to look like. It is pretty cottony. Springbok, do any of your German friends have prints of this species? I would think manure would support a fruiting if some fresh genetic material were available.
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