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Damion5050
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LC Question
#9092852 - 10/17/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I have made 8 lc's all using karo and they come out good everytime.. I was told that I should try honey cause it is far better.. So again I tried today to make 2 LC's 400ml water and 12ml honey.. I pced them for 15 minutes at 15 psi.. And like usual I have a shit ton of sediment from where the honey caramlized.. I was wondering how to stop that if it's possible.. Also can I still use the carmalized LC's
I have tried to make roughly 8 honey LC's with pc times between 10 minutes and 30 and I always get carmalization..
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Shr00mZ
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stick with what works. otherwise try and try again...
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Re: LC Question [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9092891 - 10/17/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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if it aint broken, dont fix it.
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Re: LC Question [Re: Nuzzle]
#9092907 - 10/17/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow sounds like what I said.. shocker..
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Re: LC Question [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9092920 - 10/17/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Shr00mZ said: wow sounds like what I said.. shocker..
Yea, only if i could be as quick and witty as you... bummer. Do you hold seminars on how to be cool and quick witted sir?
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Re: LC Question [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9092925 - 10/17/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am using honey too and the caramelization always happens with me too. I have tried different amounts of each. I still knocked them up to see if anything will transpire
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P.Menace
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Re: LC Question [Re: Nuzzle]
#9092931 - 10/17/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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did you ever try simmering your LC in a pan and then filtering into the jar??? Huh? Huh? huh? lol, man I think i told you that before, but I may not have
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Damion5050
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9092986 - 10/17/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never you never told me to simmer it menace.. You just told me karo and honey is for losers. Malt is the way to go lol..
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dothedew69
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I actually did my first malt/dextrose LC and I got a shit ton of caramelization. More so than honey ugh. But I have a problem, I don't have a stove I just have burn plates so until I get gas camping burners I will have to stick to Karo cause it seems to hold up to the heat. It takes forever for my PC to get anywhere near 15psi and caramelizations happens way too fast. Like shroomz said, stick with what works. Anyways I was going to switch to g2g or make a LC with a fully colonized jar. A nice big gallon jar so I can have endless LC muahahaha, I wish.
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Damion5050
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Well I have some g2g jars that I will be putting in a mono tomorrow and I was going to use a kernel and throw it in the lc and use it to make the lc.. But I was gona try honey but everytime it carmalizes.. So I wil make up some karo ones tomorrow.. Also my apartment has an electric stove.. So that might be a problem with getting all the carmalization..
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there's nothing wrong with a little carmalization when working with honey.
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Damion5050 said: Never you never told me to simmer it menace.. You just told me karo and honey is for losers. Malt is the way to go lol..
Sorry, I meant too. I always simmer before the PC so the solution is already hot when it goes in... also allows the sediment to settle in the pan not the jar
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dothedew69 said: I actually did my first malt/dextrose LC and I got a shit ton of caramelization. More so than honey ugh. But I have a problem, I don't have a stove I just have burn plates so until I get gas camping burners I will have to stick to Karo cause it seems to hold up to the heat. It takes forever for my PC to get anywhere near 15psi and caramelizations happens way too fast. Like shroomz said, stick with what works. Anyways I was going to switch to g2g or make a LC with a fully colonized jar. A nice big gallon jar so I can have endless LC muahahaha, I wish.
You added your malt/dex directly to the water, another good reason to simmer first also dont put all of your eggs in 1 basket, whos to say your lazy that 1 time and dont say flame the needle... bam contaminated LC... and lots of it
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maynardsdick said: there's nothing wrong with a little carmalization when working with honey.
carmelization NO, sediment YES
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9093805 - 10/17/08 08:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well the way I prepared it.. I brought water to a boil, put it in the jar then added the honey and stirred it up then stuck the jars into the pc for 15 minutes at 15..
I'll make up some karo ones tomorrow.. After which I will try and practice on honey and see if I ca nget it right..
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There needs to be a filtering process in there with honey, not so much with karo. try using both together, filtering into jars then PC 25-30 minutes @ 15psi
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9093833 - 10/17/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Menace said: There needs to be a filtering process in there with honey, not so much with karo. try using both together, filtering into jars then PC 25-30 minutes @ 15psi
Whats a good filter for doing the honey?
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Re: LC Question [Re: djmako7]
#9093887 - 10/17/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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A couple of coffee filters, rags, t-shirts probably wont work right... Use your head man, c'mon
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9093971 - 10/17/08 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have had great success with malt. I always bring my water to a boil and then reduce to a simmer before adding the malt. I let this simmer for 7-10 minutes sometimes. Then I filter it through two coffee filters into my jars and PC for 15 min. never get any sediment or other floating mess.
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Damion5050
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I will try some honey tomorrow again and simmer then filter and see where it gets me then
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MycoAu
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If you want a LC "tek" that works, use MonsterMitch's. It's in his journal. I've used it for Oysters, L.sulphureus, Reishi, Lion's Mane, etc. Great success with all of them. No problems will carmelization, clear solution, easy to do.
BTW, don't try to use carmelized (even a little bit) LC. It will cause problems in your grow.
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Re: LC Question [Re: MycoAu]
#9094470 - 10/17/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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 you want them to look clear before PC and like beer almost after.
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9094656 - 10/18/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mine looked like both of those except for the load of sediment or whatever on the bottom..
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technically thats 1. Same batch of LC just before and after PC before on the left After on the right.
those are not just honey or Karo tho. they contain a little of everything recommended for LC use at a sugar ratio of 1-2% no more
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9094701 - 10/18/08 12:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used 3% honey buy volume it was 400ml to 12ml's of honey.. So I should back it down to 400 and 8 then for the 2% sugar content..
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stick to 1% man... trust me
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roby000 said: thats true a shotgun is almost like a college degree in a sense that if you show it to the right person at the right time you could make a lot of money.
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dothedew69
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Re: LC Question [Re: P.Menace]
#9095244 - 10/18/08 04:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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When I made my LC I used this recipe... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6703837#6703837
1 Quart of water 1 tablespoon light malt 1 tablespoon dextrose
I brought the water to a simmer then added in the malt/dextrose. Stired it well then allowed to simmer for another good 5-6 min. After that I poured it over 2 coffee filters to get sediments out, then PC'd at 14 psi for 15 min. I had a ton of sugar sediment. Same as when I did honey. And that was Agar's recipe...
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Damion5050
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The only problem though is finding light malt and dextrose locally I would have to order it of the internet.. I have looked every where for a brewers shop and the nearest one is over 2 hours away
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Damion5050 said: I will try some honey tomorrow again and simmer then filter and see where it gets me then
I can't see why you'd need to filter unless you're using a very organic honey with bits in. I use the cheapest available non-organic stuff (something about only 50% real honey on the label). I pour 100ml of water from the kettle over 1 teaspoon of honey (around 5% per volume) and mix it in. I bring the PC water to the boil with the LC jar in there, then PC for 20 mins. It's a pale yellow before and after. When the mycelium has finished growing it becomes clear.
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