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Why do you support Obama
    #9091337 - 10/17/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I really dont want to go into much detail because it gives too
much away, I found it shocking but funny that people are just
clueless, when the liberals claim race/the bradley effect is
why obama lost, I'm loading thi on my ipod to play for them


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9091432 - 10/17/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

hey KOtT is that why you support Obama?

(Because Sarah Palin is his Vice President?)

:rofl:


wait this is not that funny....


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9091477 - 10/17/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i support obama because i want him to take all your money and give it to poor black people.

i also want him to send storm troopers to take all you guns away.

oh and i want a muslim in the white house.

:poopbanana:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #9091555 - 10/17/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
i also want him to send storm troopers to take all you guns away.




I hope they make it, if so, they're more than welcome to take 'em, what the can find anyway

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9091874 - 10/17/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i support him b/c hes for higher qualified teachers and understands that in order for someone to be deemed good at something you need to test them
thats a key difference that says a lot about them
also Mccain is cool with spending 10 billion a month for a horrendous futile war in iraq
and Obama isn't


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Coaster]
    #9092020 - 10/17/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

obama votes to fund that war too

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9092032 - 10/17/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

mrs.mccain always talk shnaz about how obama didnt fund her son or w.e


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Coaster]
    #9092187 - 10/17/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I find it funny that Coaster supports somebody that snuck the Rave Act through congress as an amendment to the Amber Alert Act given his love for the type of drugs and the scene that the Rave Act targets.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9092679 - 10/17/08 04:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I support Obama for his charisma. I support Obama for his eloquence. I support Obama for his tax plan, his health care plan, and his foreign policy plan. I support Obama because of Sarah Palin. I support Obama because of George Bush. I support Obama because I am truly afraid for my life and livelihood if McCain is elected. And I support Obama because it's the right thing to do.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9092690 - 10/17/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Gastronomicus said:
I am truly afraid for my life and livelihood if McCain





Drama Much?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Coaster]
    #9092704 - 10/17/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Coaster said:
mrs.mccain always talk shnaz about how obama didnt fund her son or w.e




I speak a little russian, german, french, italian, japanese,
cantonese, farsi and I'm pretty good with english and tsalagi,
and I have no fucking clue what you're trying to tell me

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9092728 - 10/17/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Gastronomicus said:
I am truly afraid for my life and livelihood if McCain





Drama Much?




Bomb bomb bomb Iran


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9092777 - 10/17/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

"I've also said I would never take a military option off the table. " -Barack Obama

"Iran is a major threat." -Barack Obama

"Al Qaeda, the Taliban, a whole host of networks that are bent on attacking America, who have a distorted ideology, who have perverted the faith of Islam, and so we have to go after them." Barack Obama


they've perverted islam, we have to go after them

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9092782 - 10/17/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Both Obama and McCain have shitty policies on Iran and Pakistan. Obama's iraq plan is the only thing that makes sense, and either way the factions in Iraq are simply laying low and waiting for the next phase in the civil war. Anytime you hear power-sharing government, it means inevetible civil war or one side strong-arming the other to gain control.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9092806 - 10/17/08 05:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Both Obama and McCain have shitty policies on Iran and Pakistan. .





Yeah it's amusing how Obama supporters ignore his foreign policy.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: buckwheat]
    #9092815 - 10/17/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
Both Obama and McCain have shitty policies on Iran and Pakistan. .





Yeah it's amusing how Obama supporters ignore his foreign policy.




Its very true, I think a lot of supporters of his foreign policy are ignorant that its practically the same as Bush's.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9092820 - 10/17/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Both Obama and McCain have shitty policies




EFT!

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9093008 - 10/17/08 06:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
Both Obama and McCain have shitty policies




QFT!




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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Coaster]
    #9093508 - 10/17/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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i support him b/c hes for higher qualified teachers and understands that in order for someone to be deemed good at something you need to test them
thats a key difference that says a lot about them
also Mccain is cool with spending 10 billion a month for a horrendous futile war in iraq
and Obama isn't





So...

you support taking money from people, then giving the same (or less) money back to them with restrictions on what they can use that money for?


And a question you've never answered...


What does this mean:


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The Congress shall have power . . . To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;






What is the limit of this power?  What is "regulating commerce among the several states"?



Is that, say, criminalizing drug use in one's own home, that they grew themselves?


Is that, say, criminalizing a promoter throwing a party where he knows and intends local people will be doing drugs?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: johnm214]
    #9093553 - 10/17/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What makes people think the democrats and Obama are going to end the war in Iraq?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9093563 - 10/17/08 08:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The only decent bit Sal and Richard have done in a while.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9093605 - 10/17/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What makes people think the democrats and Obama are going to end the war in Iraq?



Cuz they really want to!

I know they continue to do everything in their granted authority to extend and further the war, but that's just cuz if they excercise their one authority in this area and disallow further funding that means they want Bush to send inadequatly furnished troops to their death!


It's totally the same thing. Voting not to give bush money to spend for whatever purpose he wants (like buying guns and shit) is the same thing as voting to starve the troops or to kill them.  Totally indistinguishable.




And the Dem's really don't like the patriot act, and corprate bailouts, and the rave act... They just voted for all those.  Just cuz they vote for something doesn't mean they [Edit: don't] like it.


I mean, they told me so!



The dems for the last couple of years have pretty much said this:


You're too stupid to understand that when we vote against a bill it doesn't mean we disagree with everything in it, rather, it means as a whole we disagree with it or think that a better proposal should be held out for.  But since your a retard and completely incapable of understanding the legislature (yet are somehow competent enough to elect us- go figure) you shouldn't criticize us for acting diametrically oposite of what we claim to be for.


Just vote for us.  Don't worry that we do exactly the opposite of what our philosophy and words would suggest.  Your too stupid to understand, just vote.



Sadly, with a great number of groups this seems to work.  Blacks seem to blindly and impotently support Dems- which is percisely why they'll never get any help from them- politicians care about winning elections, which means undecided and weakly partisan voters i.e. see McCain's nomination.

Young folks seem to blindly spout nonsense like:  Obama wants better schools (translation, obama wants to tax you and give you back what money he decides to give back and with whatever restrictions he decides to impose- cuz your too stupid to spend your own money).  Obama wants healthcare (translation same as in the above, youre too stupid to spend your own money how its best spent and youre too stupid to democratically elect leaders that will do so as well).  Obama wants *insert illegal and ill-concieved notion*; 

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: johnm214]
    #9093645 - 10/17/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9093957 - 10/17/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

McCain and Obama are basically both shit. McCain has just as many bad quality about him if not more than Obama over the many many years as a senator. Frankly I don't see how any of you people support either one. You "supporters" need to wake up and see where democrats and republicans have taken this country over the last hundred years. Do you actually think that this country is in any way the form as what they wanted? Or what any American wants? Government in this country has gotten out of control and it's going to get worse, because of you so called "supporters".

If there is anyone who is unpatriotic or un-american, it's the supporters. You are the supporters of the true domestic terrorists.


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9094211 - 10/17/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Government in this country has gotten out of control and it's going to get worse, because of you so called "supporters".





really? I hope you're accepting your share of the blame, because in the words of bush,"you're either with us or against us".  like the thought of change?

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Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice.  On June 30  I celebrate MY independence day and on July 4  I celebrate America's.  This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.

On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the US to stay.  That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year.  The election year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there.  In the late 1950's most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right.

So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive. When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him.  They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in.  When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed.  When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said "Praise the Lord."  And when the young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!"

But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away.  By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed.  By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing.  By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because theye were now working for him.  By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status.

By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes.  You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans.  And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.
Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, WHAT change? How will you carry it out?  What will it cost America?  Would we?

Manuel Alvarez, Jr, Sandy Hook VA





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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094231 - 10/17/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not claiming innocence. But you will not find me doing anything to support the future fuck ups of our nation.


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9094255 - 10/17/08 10:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I hope you have a good cave picked out, take extra blankets,
58F doesnt seem cold, it's different when you're on rocks though

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094324 - 10/17/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What you talkin bout willis. I live in the ozarks currently, there are caves all around us. I'm just tryin to find me one at the bottom of a mountain with a creek near it. :wink:

How bout you?


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9094336 - 10/17/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

creek in the cave, full fledged river really, the river is 1/4
mile under rock and 3 miles back, no need to exit except to hunt
I can run water to my location in the cave if I need to

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9095706 - 10/18/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

for the simple reason that sarah palin and her toadys (and that includes john mccain) have become very overtly fascist...

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Annapurna1]
    #9095722 - 10/18/08 10:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps I should direct your attention to a recent thread in re fascism.  It's stickied
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9094010/an/0/page/0


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9095918 - 10/18/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps I should direct your attention to a recent thread in re fascism.  It's stickied
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9094010/an/0/page/0




I bet you could make a squeeze me talking doll with liberal talking points. And it would accurately predict their response 70% of the time.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: buckwheat]
    #9095950 - 10/18/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I bet I could do better than 70%.  They're not exactly a creative bunch


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9096151 - 10/18/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps I should direct your attention to a recent thread in re fascism.  It's stickied
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9094010/an/0/page/0




I knew that would come in handy.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9098476 - 10/19/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I bet I could do better than 70%.  They're not exactly a creative bunch




Yeah republicans are real creative.:rofl2:


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9098518 - 10/19/08 12:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I Don't.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9098573 - 10/19/08 12:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps I should direct your attention to a recent thread in re fascism.  It's stickied
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9094010/an/0/page/0




Kind of like how you always claim Obama is a pure socialist.

Interesting how it works both ways, huh?


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: buckwheat]
    #9099139 - 10/19/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Perhaps I should direct your attention to a recent thread in re fascism.  It's stickied
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9094010/an/0/page/0




I bet you could make a squeeze me talking doll with liberal talking points. And it would accurately predict their response 70% of the time.




Let's not look through blinders here. The above statement  applies to not only both parties, but pretty much every part in the US.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9099662 - 10/19/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A former co-worker of mine lost her son in the war on terror.  In the 2000 election I supported Nader under the assumption that both major party candidates were the same. At that time my co-worker's son was around 12 or 13 years old.

I support Obama now, eight years later, because I have a 12 year old son.

[edit]: almost forgot another reason, Obama smokes cigarettes.

Edited by georgeM (10/19/08 12:06 PM)

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: georgeM]
    #9099765 - 10/19/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Obama smokes cigarettes.




Obama says he's quitting, but then he doesnt and then he is, but still doesnt

seems the only thing obama did is quit buying them and now
just mooches smokes off the tax payers, seems Obama thinks
all black people are entitled to something from "Whitey"

since there's currently no draft, I dont believe anyone
twisted the kids arm to go fight in Iraq, and while it is
tragic,  it was his choice

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9100063 - 10/19/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:I dont believe anyone twisted the kids arm to go fight in Iraq,





Precisely Prisoner#1, you are entirely correct, he volunteered to serve his country and was sent to fight in Iraq. I guess we could just cling to the idea that if McCain wins we can simply discourage our associates from joining the military... after all, there is no draft.

Additionally, I own a small business (granted it has nothing to do with plumbing, it's still totally legitimate :crazy2:) and my taxes will be lower under Obama -- I'm not going into it here, but yes, I have done the math.

I'm not someone who attempts to beat up on McCain and his supporters... unless the supporters meet all of the following qualifications: members of my extended family, live in suburban neighborhoods, enjoy cocktails, own motorcycles, and attend mega-churches two or more Sundays per month haahaa


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: georgeM]
    #9100166 - 10/19/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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and my taxes will be lower under Obama




we hear that from all the candidates every election

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9100203 - 10/19/08 02:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just came to a more profound realization than the cigarette thing! The fulcrum of Obama's whole campaign has been hinged on this idea/slogan of "change"... fast forward to the inaugural ball. This may be our only chance to hear a David Bowie song at such an event!! Think about it Prisoner#1, the president smoking a cigarette while spinning a little Bowie?!?!? As a self professed polyester jacket wearing cigarette smoking coffee drinking hipster snob, I couldn't in good faith do anything to jeopardized the possibility of this actually happening. :shrug:

If McCain wins we aren't going to be hearin' David Bowie, I guarantee it.... Sure, Sarah Palen may sneak in a little 80s hair metal, but it just won't be the same.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: georgeM]
    #9100261 - 10/19/08 02:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I never cared much for that David Bowie guy, much more
effeminate than Jim Bowie, the only thing that Dave changed was
his sexual preference every few weeks and while Obama might not
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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9104433 - 10/20/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I support BHO (as Fox News now refers to him on the scroll) because I have never heard so many Republican talking heads whine and moan!

I know this is not a good reason to vote for BHO, but he must be the better candidate if he elicits reactions like we are hearing now!

I am baffled that many Christian's are attempting to insult Obama supporters by calling him "The Messiah" and "The Savior".
I never thought I'd hear Christians use these words as criticism. After all, is not Christianity based on a Savior?
Don't all Christians worship Jesus, The Messiah?

I guess the neocons support a messiah when the messiah is on their side. Isn't this the same phenomenon that got Ronald Reagan elected?
Rush Limbo refers to Ronny as "The Great One", which is cute. Conservatives love of Reagan was (and still is) messianic, and they are proud of that. Many people dreamily smile with glazed over eyes as they speak about how great Reagan made them feel.
Of all of the traits I want in a leader, making me feel good does not make my list.

The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will be a false messiah, who will appear as a great male political leader.
So this all ties together nicely . . .
Calling BHO a messiah is a creative way of calling him the Antichrist.

Correct me if I am wrong, but another word for Antichrist is "Satan", right?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #9104455 - 10/20/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

They are calling him the messiah because of his fainting acolytes and pompous demeanor.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9104724 - 10/20/08 03:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I just really don't see him being pompous, but I guess that's all based on perception.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105144 - 10/20/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just think Greek columns and the fake Presidential Seals.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9105208 - 10/20/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

They have columns at the white house and capitol building also. I didn't see a problem with it.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105463 - 10/20/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It was pompous.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9105484 - 10/20/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OMGZ your so right. He had pillars, I can't vote for him now!! :flowstone:


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105615 - 10/20/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> OMGZ your so right. He had pillars, I can't vote for him now!! :flowstone:

How do you get from "he is pompous" to "you must not vote for him"?  I am amazed at the ability of some people to take a statement and completely change the topic into something else entirely and then act as if the original poster is stupid for making such a leap.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Seuss]
    #9105631 - 10/20/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

How does he take having pillars as being pompous is my point. So it is relevant.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105662 - 10/20/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> How does he take having pillars as being pompous is my point.

It is one bit of a huge string of behaviors that His Holiness, Obama, has embraced.  He has finally started to lower His chin a bit, but up until a few weeks ago, it was hard to find a picture of Him without being able to count His nose hairs.  Obama behaves like a pompous ass.  No big deal, and certainly not a reason in of itself not to vote for Him, but Otards don't seem to be able to accept any criticism of their $profit$.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Seuss]
    #9105678 - 10/20/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not a supporter. I will be voting 3rd party. I just don't see how he is labeled as pompous. The only time I started to hear about him being arrogant, is after the DNC. As far as the pictures go, it's the media that does that.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105724 - 10/20/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> As far as the pictures go, it's the media that does that.

The media holds his head up?  Interesting claim.  (Ok, I know what you mean, but the media isn't completely to blame for his pose.)

I've been bitching about "his holiness" for much longer than the DNC... way back when He was running against Clinton rather than McCain.  In my opinion, Obama behaves like a pompous ass.  Perhaps arrogant would be a better word (than pompous).  I don't know that he is one, but he certainly behaves like one (again, in my opinion).


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Seuss]
    #9105731 - 10/20/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe he is? Just IMO I don't think he acts any different than any other politician. They are all shitbag liars.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9105795 - 10/20/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> Just IMO I don't think he acts any different than any other politician.

A bit graphic, but... the difference being, other politicians realize that their shit stinks, they just pretend that it doesn't... Obama seems to think that his shit doesn't stink, and the Otards seem to buy it.  I don't think it is my dislike of Obama.  I didn't like Hillary, but I never labeled her pompous.  Obama has some kind of "aura" about him that reeks of arrogance.  It isn't any one single thing, but the huge list of little things.

(Thanks for voting 3rd party.  Those of us that can't stand the "choices" given in the two party system appreciate it.")


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Seuss]
    #9105814 - 10/20/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

See I always thought of the Clintons as very very arrogant. Well mainly Hillary more than Bill. I guess it's just all opinion.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9105964 - 10/20/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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They are calling him the messiah because of his fainting acolytes and pompous demeanor.



I think pompous is a prerequisite for running for or holding any political office.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Seuss]
    #9106238 - 10/20/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

So all those who vote for Obama on November 4th are Otards? Are those who vote for McCain immediately placed within the column of McTard?

I'm simply trying to understand what this all means. Many people here were Ron Paul supporters, considering his last name is comprised of a single syllable, how would you apply the Tard suffix in his case? Could we deviate from the established form, assume that Ron is short for Ronald, and just go with RonTard? Why should the Republican Party be rewarded for nominating someone like McCain?

Rather the electing either of these two candidates (qu'ils mangent de la brioche), perhaps we should all stay home on election day and sharpen our guillotines. Of course, many of us live in the real world and have experienced the actual repercussions of government policy -- sometimes harm reduction is a necessary evil. Maybe this will be extremely shocking to some of you, but over the course of the last eight years a confluence of events have transpired that don’t exactly endear the incumbent party to me... I guess that makes me an "Otard".


McCain :rolleyes:

Obama  :rolleyes:

Ron Paul :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #9106283 - 10/20/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Points why I will vote obama...

Energy-Obama seems more willing to allocate money to alternative renewable energies. If we can step up and revolutionize transportation (electric/hydrogen) this will have such far reaching benefits I think it would keep us on top and make sure we will stay that way for a looong time. Imagine hydrogen is the new oil and we are the middle east of it. Our economy would sky rocket, out deficit would finally begin to shrink. Also it would create many new jobs which is really important for someone like me about to enter the job market while reading stuff like this where 20million jobs will be lost by the end of the year because of the financial crisis.

Foreign Policy- The USA needs to step up and be a leader again. We went from the clinton days where the rest of the world respected us to the bush days where we were seen as evil imperialists. I believe all the problems that we are trying to solve unilaterally though military means could be taken care of 100x better diplomatically through strong alliances. I just don't like how the Republicans handle foreign policy.

Sara Palin-McCain shot himself in the foot on this one. And as Colin Powell said, what does this reflect about McCain's judgment?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: georgeM]
    #9107281 - 10/20/08 11:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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So all those who vote for Obama on November 4th are Otards? Are those who vote for McCain immediately placed within the column of McTard?

"Otard".



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hahhahaha a Mctard. i'm totally gonna call mentally challenged people that work at McDonalds Mctards from now on

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9107292 - 10/20/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I dont....I hate it when people assume by the way I look that Im an Obama supporter. Anyone else get that?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9107325 - 10/20/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I do, but how do you look?  I think its just cuz I'm young really.  People also act surprised when I oppose drug prohibition too, as I do when it comes up.

I don't know how I look, but I've got short hair, and wear comfortable clothes, but nothing hippyish- polo shirts, button up long sleeve shirts, khakis, jeans, et cet.

I think people just have a mental idea of who "they" are with drug users (which they assum I am cuz I oppose prohibition) and obama supporters.


A young guy is supposed to be an obama supporter I guess.  I say I support Bob Barr and they don't know who that is...  Then they whine about "corporate shills" and "special interests" and other buzzwords that express a general dissatisfaction with the politics of this country and that evidence an external locus of control.... and then the irony that somone who doesn't know who a major third party candidate is  was just bitching about corporate interests buying off government and the lack of true choice in politics overtakes me and I have to sit down for a spell

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Jive turkey]
    #9107365 - 10/20/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i really don't like either candidate ,but the idea of Obama is president scares me I have a feeling he's going to bankrupt our country. listening to him talk you can tell he has a passion to really help the low and middle class ,but chopping down the legs of the free market with the big government axe isn't the way to go about it.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Jive turkey]
    #9107469 - 10/20/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, agreed.


I'm just worried.  Hopefully Obama will turn out to be more of a clinton- and hopefully the democrats won't hang themselves and the country with the rope the bush administration has given them, but I'm worried.


Maybe some good will come out of this and the republicans will start trying to act like republicans for a bit.. stop supporting bullshit huge spending bills and federal intevention in our lives... stop passing 700 billion dollar bills with 100 billion dollars extra tacked on for such important industries such as wooden arrows' for kids (thanks oregon- you jackasses), virgin islands rum, and other crap.  (I'm not denigrating the importance of children's wooden arrows or even the merits of a surely important provisions, just saying that perhaps this bullshit could be considered later?)



I'm really just sick of people that seem to think money (by which I mean value) comes from the feds out of thin air.  The feds can't create wealth.  The best thing they could do is leave people the fuck alone so that buisness can funciton, produce jobs and goods, and let people work and live their lives.


I hav eno idea how people think a country that allready is suffering from a huge deficiet and tax burden (part of which goes to pay for those past deficits) should be passing NEW entitlement creating laws.



How about we gtfo of people's lives and pay off this bullshit we owe?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: johnm214]
    #9108427 - 10/21/08 04:17 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> How about we gtfo of people's lives and pay off this bullshit we owe?

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Nova]
    #9109797 - 10/21/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Points why I will vote obama...

Energy-Obama seems more willing to allocate money to alternative renewable energies. If we can step up and revolutionize transportation (electric/hydrogen) this will have such far reaching benefits I think it would keep us on top and make sure we will stay that way for a looong time. Imagine hydrogen is the new oil and we are the middle east of it. Our economy would sky rocket, out deficit would finally begin to shrink. Also it would create many new jobs which is really important for someone like me about to enter the job market while reading stuff like this where 20million jobs will be lost by the end of the year because of the financial crisis.




Hydrogen is not even close to feasible because you need other energy to separate it out.  Further, unless you are directly in this field the jobs destruction a socialist will bring about should weigh heavily on your mind.
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Foreign Policy- The USA needs to step up and be a leader again. We went from the clinton days where the rest of the world respected us to the bush days where we were seen as evil imperialists. I believe all the problems that we are trying to solve unilaterally though military means could be taken care of 100x better diplomatically through strong alliances. I just don't like how the Republicans handle foreign policy.

Sara Palin-McCain shot himself in the foot on this one. And as Colin Powell said, what does this reflect about McCain's judgment?




I'll take these two together.  Here's SloJo on Obama's Presidency and foreign policy.
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Biden: The World Will Test Obama

Monday, October 20, 2008 4:10 PM

By: Rick Pedraza
Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., speaking at a fundraising event Sunday in Seattle, said if his running mate Barack Obama is elected president, he will almost immediately be challenged with an international crisis that will test his strength and character.

“Mark my words,” Biden said, “it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy.”

Biden said the world is looking at the 47-year-old senator from Illinois trying to figure out who he is and how he will deal with an international crisis of epic proportions.

“Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden assured. “I don’t know what the decision is going to be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen.”

Biden also made similar remarks at a San Francisco fundraiser the day before, ABC News reports.

“We’re going to face a major international challenge,” Biden said. “They’re going to want to test him, just like they did young John Kennedy. They’re going to want to test him. And they’re going to find out this guy’s got steel in his spine.” Biden said.

Biden asked the crowd to “gird your loins” and continue to stand by Obama as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular decisions regarding foreign affairs and the economy. Biden said no matter who is elected on Nov. 4, a difficult environment awaits the next president.



http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/biden_obama_crisis/2008/10/20/142273.html

He's telling us that the rest of the world is going to try to stick it to us if this tyro is elected because they think they can.  Some respect.  Some love.  Some why the fuck would anybody think this is good.  If you love the rest of the world so fucking much, MOVE.  Anywhere, I don't care.  I want somebody who represents me, an American, not Germany, not France, not Venezuela (butthole buddies:  Obama; Ayers; Chavez, nice daisy chain there, huh?).  I'll take Palin over either of these assholes.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9109822 - 10/21/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I support third parties obviously, but I'd rather see Obama win simply because this system is sadly 2 party, and the Republicans fucked up. It's that simple.

Even if Obama is wrong, I see him willing to change and adapt to new challenges. He is also a fresh face who can actually communicate to foriegn leaders, and hopefully reverse America's reputation. I seriously believe world leaders LAUGH at bush.

McCain will forge ahead on failed policies and continue to ignore the people including Joe the plumber and Mr. Six Pack, just like bush (who is such a failure and piece of shit I won't even capitalize his name).

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9109852 - 10/21/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Why the fuck does anybody give a shit about America's reputation?  Does it do us any good when it is better?  I ask again, "By what tortured logic can you find any benefit in being a sycophant nation?"  They should kiss OUR ass, not us theirs.  That is to our advantage.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9109856 - 10/21/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Even if Obama is wrong, I see him willing to change and adapt to new challenges.




that's called flip flopping, like when he said "Iran isnt a
threat" someone reminded him that iran is a threat and he
quickly changed his tune, he's done the same on numerous
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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9109864 - 10/21/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Because Ron Paul is out of the picture and Bob Barr hasn't got a snowball's chance in Hell. I don't support Obama, I dislike him less than McCain.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9109875 - 10/21/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not talking about kissing anyones ass... I'm talking about not looking like a country full of bible thumping, gun toting Texas-drawl morons who wage war against brown people.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9109903 - 10/21/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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that's called flip flopping, [blah blah blah] but hey, we can call that adaptability if you want




Yeah, and Republicans should learn how to have more... If this administration was even A LITTLE willing to change, maybe McCain would have a shot.

I see Republican supporters are no less dense.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9109917 - 10/21/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not talking about kissing anyones ass... I'm talking about not looking like a country full of bible thumping, gun toting Texas-drawl morons who wage war against brown people.




The brown people of Africa seem to actually like us quite a bit.  And who the fuck are you, and the Eurotrash you love, to decide what faith is acceptable, what accent is cool, whether someone should have a gun?  My answer;  NOBODY.  Big capitals.  And you are as much of a bigot as numonkei, provincial tool that you are.  The Eurotrash are cowering in their beds over sharia and the murderous monsters who practice it and we almost entirely alone stand up and say, "No, this is wrong."  You can sip from the urinal of popularity.  I'd rather just be right.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9109925 - 10/21/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow... I don't even understand what that jibberish is supposed to mean. But you sound like a christian or something.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9109937 - 10/21/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I am a militant atheist and that post was quite clear.  If you couldn't understand it, shoot a teacher.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9109999 - 10/21/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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If this administration was even A LITTLE willing to change, 




there's the thing, neither are actually willing to change,
they are willing to tell you what you want to hear

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9110002 - 10/21/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I am a militant atheist and that post was quite clear.  If you couldn't understand it, shoot a teacher.




You sound militant alright! I just don't get the eurotrash references. :shrug:

Obama winning is going to piss you off, huh? :lol:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9110113 - 10/21/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The Eurotrash relates to your foolish desire to somehow have an enhanced reputation.
Yes.  It will cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars for sure.  Not to mention the residual damage, ala FDR, that will be wrought by Dems controlling everything.  Be afraid, be very afraid.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: RoosterCogburn]
    #9110234 - 10/21/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Rooster i find it strange that you support Obama so much yet display a Bob Barr banner... talk about total opposites lol one wants the government to own and control everything ,and the other wants govt to fuck off.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Jive turkey]
    #9110586 - 10/21/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Rooster i find it strange that you support Obama so much yet display a Bob Barr banner... talk about total opposites lol one wants the government to own and control everything ,and the other wants govt to fuck off.




That is strange, but FireworksGod is the same. F_G was one of the most ardent Ron Paul fans in the forum. I mean, he used to FLOOD this forum with pro-Ron Paul posts. Then, when it finally sunk in that Ron Paul was not going to wrest the Republican nomination from McCain, Fireworks happily transferred his loyalty to Obama! One of the most bizarre instantaneous 180 degree conversions I (and many other forum regulars who also commented on it) have ever seen.

You are of course correct when you point out that the McCain/Palin ticket is far FAR closer to the Libertarian position than Obama/Biden. Why on earth so many former Ron Paul supporters have jumped ship to Obama is beyond me. It's almost as if they hadn't the foggiest notion of what Libertarian principles are in the first place.

Naaaahhhh..... that can't be right! /sarcasm.






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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9110741 - 10/21/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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And who the fuck are you, and the Eurotrash you love, to decide what faith is acceptable,




Maybe RoosterCogburn is a militant atheist. :shrug:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: georgeM]
    #9110842 - 10/21/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Methinks he is just a thug.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Phred]
    #9110869 - 10/21/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i forgot that! :grin:


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Phred]
    #9110892 - 10/21/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Why on earth so many former Ron Paul supporters have jumped ship to Obama is beyond me. It's almost as if they hadn't the foggiest notion of what Libertarian principles are in the first place.
! /sarcasm.







They really don't. i rarely meet libertarians that are actually libertarians. At this other forum a self proclaimed Ronbot,actually he was more than that he campaigned for him and went out of his way to go to a few of his rallies.Anyways he was completly perplexed because his political compass test that's floating around the internet came out far left. Typical liberal emotional non-thinking.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Phred]
    #9111216 - 10/21/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Rooster i find it strange that you support Obama so much yet display a Bob Barr banner... talk about total opposites lol one wants the government to own and control everything ,and the other wants govt to fuck off.




That is strange, but FireworksGod is the same. F_G was one of the most ardent Ron Paul fans in the forum. I mean, he used to FLOOD this forum with pro-Ron Paul posts. Then, when it finally sunk in that Ron Paul was not going to wrest the Republican nomination from McCain, Fireworks happily transferred his loyalty to Obama! One of the most bizarre instantaneous 180 degree conversions I (and many other forum regulars who also commented on it) have ever seen.

You are of course correct when you point out that the McCain/Palin ticket is far FAR closer to the Libertarian position than Obama/Biden. Why on earth so many former Ron Paul supporters have jumped ship to Obama is beyond me. It's almost as if they hadn't the foggiest notion of what Libertarian principles are in the first place.

Naaaahhhh..... that can't be right! /sarcasm.






Phred




I think McCain's biggest downfall was him talking about war and military all the time. That and his past temper just don't go good together in the eyes of many. For me anyway, that along with the abortion stance, and the way he talked to the guy with cancer asking about medical marijuana legalization did it. He was just a total fucking dickhead. I don't even smoke anymore but the plane stupidity/arrogance of McCains actions made me mad. He is like every other old person who thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong, they can't compromise with anyone because of this. And in my eyes a good leader is someone who compromises.

With that said, I don't support Obama either. The reason is basically because of democratic views. I don't want my money going to other people, especially worthless ass jobless people. I think medicare/medicaid should be gone, I think SSI should be changed drastically, and I think unemployment should be changed drastically. Other than that really I kind of like Obama's willingness to compromise and the fact he is smart enough to look at studies and understand that drug prohibition needs to be changed. I think he understands a lot of things need changed. I think he knows that if he were to take these kind of stances in the public, he knows he would definitely lose the election.

So I'm going 3rd party. :ohwell:


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9111528 - 10/21/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I think McCain's biggest downfall was him talking about war and military all the time. That and his past temper just don't go good together in the eyes of many. For me anyway, that along with the abortion stance, and the way he talked to the guy with cancer asking about medical marijuana legalization did it. He was just a total fucking dickhead. I don't even smoke anymore but the plane stupidity/arrogance of McCains actions made me mad. He is like every other old person who thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong, they can't compromise with anyone because of this. And in my eyes a good leader is someone who compromises.

With that said, I don't support Obama either. The reason is basically because of democratic views. I don't want my money going to other people, especially worthless ass jobless people. I think medicare/medicaid should be gone, I think SSI should be changed drastically, and I think unemployment should be changed drastically. Other than that really I kind of like Obama's willingness to compromise and the fact he is smart enough to look at studies and understand that drug prohibition needs to be changed. I think he understands a lot of things need changed. I think he knows that if he were to take these kind of stances in the public, he knows he would definitely lose the election.

So I'm going 3rd party. :ohwell:





going third party is basically a wast of a vote. both candidates kind of suck but wouldn't it be wiser to vote for a candidate who will actually win and pick the one who supports ''more'' of your views and beliefs than the other one.

as far as Obama. his economic policy is nothing more than nationalized welfare. he's gonna bankrupt this country.

i don't agree that welfare/medicaid need abolished they serve a purposed ,but the problem is that those programs need more regulation to keep them from being abused. welfare was initiated to be income assistance for struggling people like a single mom with 3 kids who just got laid off ect with the idea that they use it intill they get back on their feet, but people today use welfare as a permanent source of income and have the attitude like ''why should i try to better my self when i can sit my ass on this couch and collect govt money?''

gov't should mandate education/work programs with welfare so people learn skills and get jobs. if you continue to spend your welfare checks on crack you should have to pay the tax payers back by being enslaved to clean up road sides or something or be traded to Mexico for someone who will actually contribute to society, and if your on welfare and wont stop pumping out babies that the tax payers have to pay for then it should be manditory that you have a tubal ligation. (yeah that last part sounds a little communist but fuck it)

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9111550 - 10/21/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Pink you've been supporting and defending Obama for the last few months?

have you changed your mind about him?


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Jive turkey]
    #9111578 - 10/21/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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going third party is basically a wast of a vote. both candidates kind of suck but wouldn't it be wiser to vote for a candidate who will actually win .




NO... this aint no horse race. the only wasted vote is the
one you cast for the lesser evil

I've said this many times and I'm tired of typing it out, now I'll let baldwin say it once again

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    A Wasted Vote

        by Chuck Baldwin
        October 10, 2008


        When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

        In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

        Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

        Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

        But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

        With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

        Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

        I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

        So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

        "Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:

        BALDWIN '08

        As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."





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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9111639 - 10/21/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I support Obama because I like the Obama Girl.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: AltecLansing]
    #9112059 - 10/21/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Because Ron Paul is out of the picture and Bob Barr hasn't got a snowball's chance in Hell. I don't support Obama, I dislike him less than McCain.





So you're voting for him?


Why would your selection of candidates be premised upon a relativistic assesment of the popularity of one who is popular and you don't support with one who you do support and isn't popular?


What does the liklihood that bob barr will be elected have to do with anything relevant to the merits of you supporting him?

The libertarian vote would have been enough to win the election for Gore in 2000.  You think candidates don't notice?


Thanks for perpetuating the false choice of the major parties and the fallacy of "I want to vote for the winner" style voting. :kaboom:


Democracy only works if you vote for who you want- not for who other people want.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Phred]
    #9112178 - 10/21/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Rooster i find it strange that you support Obama so much yet display a Bob Barr banner... talk about total opposites lol one wants the government to own and control everything ,and the other wants govt to fuck off.




That is strange, but FireworksGod is the same. F_G was one of the most ardent Ron Paul fans in the forum. I mean, he used to FLOOD this forum with pro-Ron Paul posts. Then, when it finally sunk in that Ron Paul was not going to wrest the Republican nomination from McCain, Fireworks happily transferred his loyalty to Obama! One of the most bizarre instantaneous 180 degree conversions I (and many other forum regulars who also commented on it) have ever seen.

You are of course correct when you point out that the McCain/Palin ticket is far FAR closer to the Libertarian position than Obama/Biden. Why on earth so many former Ron Paul supporters have jumped ship to Obama is beyond me. It's almost as if they hadn't the foggiest notion of what Libertarian principles are in the first place.

Naaaahhhh..... that can't be right! /sarcasm.






Phred





Yeah, I agree.  Totally inexplicable.  The only way you could justify that is by a singular issue that your voting on, a'la the abortion opponents, some of them I'd imagine, that I presume vote for a party, maybe a candidate in some cases, for that one issue despite that candidates impotence to deal with that issue.

Maybe fireworks god just has one issue, like drug prohibition or the war, that made him support ron paul.  It certainly wasn't taxes, federalism, or any other part of Ron Paul's platform.


And seriously, where did that guy go?  Did he ever post in politics forum before? He just popped in and made all sorts of insanely ignorant predictions for months on end and then took leave never to return as soon as the primary votes (surprise) started coming in and reflected the polling numbers a little more closely, just a bit, than fireworks-god's predictions.


I can't believe he actually said Ron Paul was very likely to win the republican nomination.  He must have been looking at text message/internet polls to the exclusion fo all others.  I am dumbfounded by that guy.


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Ron Paul is the only candidate that can win the Republican nomination. ...

. Unless something unexpected happens, like an assasination or some kind of huge crisis, we know what to expect. :smirk:






-Fireworks_god :foreheadslap:

(bizarre emphasis and smirk in original- and no, he wasn't being sarcastic, he stated repeatedly that Ron Paul would win the nomination)

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: buckwheat]
    #9112488 - 10/21/08 09:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Why on earth so many former Ron Paul supporters have jumped ship to Obama is beyond me. It's almost as if they hadn't the foggiest notion of what Libertarian principles are in the first place.
! /sarcasm.







They really don't. i rarely meet libertarians that are actually libertarians. At this other forum a self proclaimed Ronbot,actually he was more than that he campaigned for him and went out of his way to go to a few of his rallies.Anyways he was completly perplexed because his political compass test that's floating around the internet came out far left. Typical liberal emotional non-thinking.





While I also find many "libertarians" just think that means "do drugs and then get welfare when you loose your job", there's not neccesarily a contradiction between the political compass and the ron paul support.  Imean if he claims to be a libertarian that's a little confusing, but you can still be a liberal federalist and support ron paul and be left.


I wouldn't say I'm left at all, but I support federalsim adamently and also am not opposed to all social programs where economically feasable and benificial.  Things like foodstamps for people injured or in crises that would be paid back (though still surely a net loss to the government), college financial aid (though this is a double edged sword that I feel causes tuition to rise above market levels), and education for all.

I may not actually advocate many of these, however; I am not totally opposed to them either at the state level.  I don't like the feds, however; taxing NYC and then dumping the money in an industry specific tax break for "children's wooden arrows" as recently happened with the federal bailout bill.  I also feel the commerce clause has meaning, and that it means what it says.

Things like free education for practical economical endeavors (not bachelors programs in world literature or shit like that, things like practical sciences, buisness, and similar programs where jobs exist) may not be consistant with a libertarian framework, however; I'd support these at the state level in theory- though certainly not how implemented today.  (I'm also not convinced such programs are needed and that they don't inflate the cost of education, at least how presently implemented, by artificially limiting the available schools to those that tow the government line and then flood the students with money that inflates the market price of eductation)

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9112779 - 10/21/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Pink you've been supporting and defending Obama for the last few months?

have you changed your mind about him?




Actually if you look back I have never said I was going to vote for Obama. I have said I was going to vote 3rd party for quite some time now. I just hate Obama a little less than McCain. So has my mind changed any? No.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9113093 - 10/21/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Nice editing on this McCain ad.





It's supposed to say "change" of course


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9113161 - 10/21/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Republicans are all in with subliminal messaging aren't they.


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9113168 - 10/21/08 11:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Look at these fucking rednecks.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/30727454.html


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so yeah:
- 'sex' five times
- once with a man
- once with a cadaver
- and thrice with actual women(all of which were prostitutes)
Best story ever!

www.panicstream.com :thumbup:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #9113191 - 10/21/08 11:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

nice


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9114106 - 10/22/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Nice editing on this McCain ad.






it was a setup from the start, McCain had those people out
there deliberately holding those letters behind obamas head

these ads were designed to create controversy

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9114549 - 10/22/08 08:52 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I support Obama because he's the least useless and didn't show poor judgment by selecting a knit whit for a VP.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Jive turkey]
    #9114596 - 10/22/08 09:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Rooster i find it strange that you support Obama so much yet display a Bob Barr banner... talk about total opposites lol one wants the government to own and control everything ,and the other wants govt to fuck off.




I'm voting Libertarian. REAL Republicans are closer to Libertarian ideals than Obama for sure, but THESE Republicans are no good. Your Republican party LIES about what they want and they bankrupted the country with their failed ideas, and useless wars.

gw bush has ruined your chances and put a large smelly stain on your party... I want to see what 4 years of some different ideas can do. I'm simply trying to survive until a real party (Libertarian) can move to the forefront.

And deep down, I'm really not a racist like most ignorant people (over-religious, under educated republicans) in this country... and on this board apparently.

Obama is gonna win anyway, so it doesn't matter... :rofl:

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Hotnuts]
    #9116279 - 10/22/08 03:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Hotnuts said:
I support Obama because he's the least useless and didn't show poor judgment by selecting a knit whit for a VP.




like that guy that after 30+ years of doing drug legislation
decided he should draft a bill making it illegal to traffic
drugs... in a submarine, the same guy that as an attorney and
US senator boosted his his career on the memory of his dead
family, through the use of slander against another man,
destroying his fucking life

when you start looking past the media glitz and examining the
drunken douche that is Joe Biden, maybe you'd see a dim wit
isnt so bad

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9136013 - 10/26/08 09:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, i'm not going to argue with you! I don't like either of the major party candidates. I think this whole election is a joke to be honest.

Something funny on the local news the other day. They were asking individuals questions about the election that were visiting capital hill for the day. Most of which ended up being Obama supporters after all said and done. Simple questions like; showing them photos of Biden and Palin and asking who they were, how many states make up the U.S., how many stars are on the flag and a few more easy questions that I can't recall at the moment. Do you know that damn near every single one of the Obama supporters didn't even know how many states made up the U.S.?! Couldn't even identify Joe Biden either! All of which stated they voted for Obama during the primaries. None of which researched his voting record either. Thanks a hell of a lot you goofballs.

Just because you have the right to vote, doesn't mean you should always exercise that right unless you actually know what the hell you're talking about. Sometimes it's best to just stick to the sidelines and allow people that actually research their candidates and know a little something about the political process to do the voting.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Hotnuts]
    #9137623 - 10/26/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

>didn't even know how many states made up the U.S.?!

WTF? I'm an Australian and I know that one. I could probably name them all too. They should let me vote instead. I'd vote for Obama anyway though :grin:


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: zouden]
    #9137660 - 10/26/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9137805 - 10/26/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp





status=multiple?

it's true, he said 57 states, counted another 3 he hadnt visited

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9137813 - 10/26/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

It's abundantly clear that he did say it, but considering the context, meant to subtract the ones he hadn't visited from 50.  You can only really accuse him of bad math (50-2 = 57), not not knowing the correct number of states.


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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9137886 - 10/26/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

he cant count to 50 and he's supposed to deal with out economy?

someone please launch the nukes and get it over with

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Ferris]
    #9137898 - 10/26/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

One guy said there were 13 stars on the flag. Good grief man! Stuck in the ole' Revolutionary period aye? :lol: Even if you're not sure how many stars are on the current flag, you ought to damn well know there's more than 13. Jeeze.

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Re: Why do you support Obama [Re: Hotnuts]
    #9138091 - 10/26/08 06:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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One guy said there were 13 stars on the flag.




he's right, he would have been right if he's have said 20, 28,
32, 39 or any other number up to 50, there really are 13 stars
on the flag plus a few spares in case you lose one

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